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Tweets Claim Valve Removing Donation Links from Workshop Mods
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The scummiest.
RinShirika
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Only getting 25% of the sales is pretty bad deal if you ask me
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Deleted member 102362
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Nope. Just workshop sales.
For sure. People are taking umbrage with the amount being 25%, though.
daninthemix
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No one's disputing that. What they are disputing is the fairness of the percentage of the cut.
the donation page is external to the content being offered. the link may lead to an externally hosted free version or just a tip jar but either way they wouldn't be using valve's infrastructure to distribute their content in that specific scenario
Whoa that's an outrageous cut and removing the donation links in case we'd prefer to give the modders 100% is pretty shit.
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
50% for Bethesda and 25% for Valve.
Okay, I didn't know that the mod creators only get 25% of the money. That's insanely low.
Charles Brandon
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I think it's more that they used to offer the mods fro free, but you could donate if you felt like it. Now you can't receive donations so you either have to charge everybody and give 75% to Valve/Beth or not get anything at all. I guess people preferred the previous "honour" system,
I know fuck all about this so I'm probably way off.
daninthemix
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Hmm, so it's really Bethesda's greed?
I hope the next step in this "plan" isn't to start issuing takedowns to places outside the workshop, like Nexus.
Mushroomer25
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Do we have confirmation that the link was removed by Valve? This seems way too timely to believe right now.
Be really interested in hearing if this effects some Workshop creators, I don't know if the Donations were a big thing for them or not or will charging for their Content outweigh the loss in Donations. Not knowledgeable on Steam Workshop, Valves direction is..interesting.
Visualante2
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What happened to you Valve? You used to be cool man. IMO Valve should be running this at cost, they got the cut they should be entitled to at purchase of the Base game. Bethesda are being greedy. Creators should get 60% at least.
Well, its more like Valve policy. All Steam workshop sales are split this way. Dota or CSGO skins are also 75% to Valve and only 25% to the creator.
theusedversion
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Greedy Valve strikes again. They no longer surprise me. The amount of money going through those donations can't be that much. Why piss everyone off instead of just letting it ride? They constantly want more and more money but they can't even implement a proper customer support. SMH
timetokill
Banned
Hope this shit stays far away from the Nexus.
FairXchange
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People can still donate freely via links available an the Nexus, and they don't have to do anything through Steam Workshop, they can install mods manually. I don't really see the issue here.
In what way is this valve being greedy? If you have a storefront you wouldnt allow people to peddle their wares and then ask people to donate to them so they can use the convenience of your storefront without paying.
Besides, Bethesda are the ones that decided the cut percentage.
Visualante2
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Racketeering is the issue.
Oh and game creators are now financially incentivised to lock mods to Steam now.
Bethesda and Valve get 75% for doing absolutely nothing?
Come on, how can anyone defend this? Just another desperate money grab to kill one of the last remaining instances of community-run content creations.
YianGaruga
Banned
Chances of the next Elder Scrolls/Fallout only having mods through Steam workshop?
Valve at least provide the distribution and visibility infrastructure. Bethesda do technically own the IP, but we're into 'can you legit profit off LPs' territory here and so on.
Not sure how I feel about this.
SneakyStephan
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One day in and it already begins
There will be no other means than the workshop to install mods with the next bethesda game (not without a crack), if you think otherwise you are naive.
If you give any kind of shit about not turning modding distribution into a walled garden on pc then you will not support skyrim workshop.
First day of the slowmotion trainwreck, 'enjoy' watching it unfold live fellas, cya in 5 years when horse armor turns into dungeon keeper mobile
There will be no other means than the workshop to install mods with the next bethesda game (not without a crack), if you think otherwise you are naive.
If you give any kind of shit about not turning modding distribution into a walled garden on pc then you will not support skyrim workshop.
First day of the slowmotion trainwreck, 'enjoy' watching it unfold live fellas, cya in 5 years when horse armor turns into dungeon keeper mobile
Bry0
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Valve isn't what they were 8 years ago. I am so disappointed with how things are turning out.
Valves still has it's 'free mods' workshop where people can share mods for free, but when they have a donation link in their mod description it's removed.
Nothing fair about that.
I wouldn't bet on it. CSGO and dota 2 content creators only get 25% as well, and that's only valve.
GHG
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This is what happens when people refuse to support competition.
Mushroomer25
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Here's what I imagine Bethesda's logic is.
Buying a copy of Skyrim does not give you the right to use it for profit. It's for personal use. Not business use. Same logic behind buying the licence rights to production software (personal vs business). There's literally no way they could have seen this coming, so the only way to get their fair share is via cuts of mod sales.
Additionally, the mod is worthless without their existing game. It is an extension of their existing software and code. Steam also feels entitled to a cut as the retailer who handles the transaction.
Hypothetically, they believe a mod sold elsewhere for the same price would do less than a fourth of the sales. Thus, the 25% cut is fair.
Is it actually? Time will tell. But I bet you that is the logic that led to that particular decision.
Isn't this called rent seeking economy? Profiting from somebody else's work?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
obviously they are sending the message that people should stop wasting their time with mods
daninthemix
Member
Yeah this is a real concern. Less openness, more control, more greed. Both Beth and Valve and co-conspirators in this.
texhnolyze
Banned
Mods are already being culled from the Nexus.
Yeah, that's my thought too. If it's a pay-only mod that's being distributed through Steam, and the modder is trying to backdoor the people who set up and own the infrastructure to do that, then I guess it's fair for Valve to go around removing "donation" links.
If it's being applied to mods that are being given away for free and the donations are actually just optional donations given freely by people who appreciate the work, then Valve really has no (moral) right to go kicking over the sandcastle.
Mushroomer25
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I doubt it. Especially if it was required to be paid in order to access your existing purchases. That'd probably be illegal (though hey, the precedent hasn't exactly been set for any of this shit).
If Steam offered a PSN Plus type service where they gave out 2+ games per month plus premium benefits & discounts, it would be a smash hit and we all know it.
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