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Erm, the DRM that they proposed for the Xbox One, before they did a 180? Or do you want something out of games? Like helping NSA with PRISM?
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Ubisoft says that MS & Sony are 'pressuring them' into 30FPS on PC; Phil: Not true
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Erm, the DRM that they proposed for the Xbox One, before they did a 180? Or do you want something out of games? Like helping NSA with PRISM?
If you drink that much Kool-Aid you'll end up drowning, be careful.
Yep and its resolution is locked at 720p. It's confirmed
ThoseDeafMutes
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Lol
TheSlySoul
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Glass Rebel
Member
no, it really isn't
King Gilga
Member
Kind of hard to believe, but incredibly fucked up if true.
Aside from the 'other notable evils' part that picture has nothing wrong, all of those are unforgivable.
But yeah the whole masterrace thing always did make me cringe.
How dare you
Aside from the 'other notable evils' part that picture has nothing wrong, all of those are unforgivable.
But yeah the whole masterrace thing always did make me cringe.
Alx
Member
Most of that seems like overreaction or interpretation of practice of the industry that are in no way negative or exceptional :
We know about the testing process for any game published on console. If elements of the game don't pass the certification, they have to be either corrected or removed.
Obviously. You aim for the best case scenario, but in the end you usually have to make a compromise.
That's probably bullshit. Or do we know what he means by "do the same" ?
That's good practice in any industry. Don't reinvent the wheel, and if you invested millions in a technology, you'd better get your money worth out of it. It's actually one of the things that made the Japan devs struggle, they were too used to rebuild their games from scratch, and didn't make a habit of building tools or using middleware.
Same as above, it's all about compromise. It's no secret that by choosing 30 fps, they get more horsepower to do other things.
Explicit speculation, and not a very likely theory.
We know about the testing process for any game published on console. If elements of the game don't pass the certification, they have to be either corrected or removed.
Obviously. You aim for the best case scenario, but in the end you usually have to make a compromise.
That's probably bullshit. Or do we know what he means by "do the same" ?
That's good practice in any industry. Don't reinvent the wheel, and if you invested millions in a technology, you'd better get your money worth out of it. It's actually one of the things that made the Japan devs struggle, they were too used to rebuild their games from scratch, and didn't make a habit of building tools or using middleware.
Same as above, it's all about compromise. It's no secret that by choosing 30 fps, they get more horsepower to do other things.
Explicit speculation, and not a very likely theory.
TheSlySoul
Member
Me too.
Which makes me glad I never stick with a side but rather buy a console/PC based around games.
That being said the developers comments were interesting. I would assume programming on the PC would be the most enjoyable.
Edit: The developers are probably pinning the blame on "console makers" rather than Ubisoft themselves since they do not want to get fired.
It is mostly satire. The use of "master race" should probably give that away. There are a handful of people that take it deathly serious, just like there are a handful of crazies in the Microsoft and Sony camps. But that subreddit exists as a self-aware parody of PC gaming.
markedbravado
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OMG! This thread will is going places. At least until thursday. Gaf be Gaf please (grabs Babybel cheese).
Fuz
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Not really.
So here's the thing...
1- Watch Dogs was mostly developed in Montreal. These are not Ubi Montreal employees - I highly doubt that Ubi would pay to send some devs and PR from Canada to France when they have studios in France.
2- "Console manufacturers tell us what we can keep" is BS, but only sort of BS. It's sort of true in that some devs have to get documents approved and such before you can get an OK to start working on the game. The thing is that this happens super early on, not right before you ship.
3- Parity between console platforms is a given - MS and Sony always want parity, and WILL give you shit (free promo usually) if you achieve certain goals for them. Sony in particular will love you if you also give something to PS+, and exclusive content always means better coverage.
4- 30fps is typically a tradeoff. In life, when you have a job to accomplish, normally it takes 20% effort to reach 80% completion, but 80% work to get the last 20% work done. ~30fps is not always trivial to reach, but is more often than not the best achievable result in a limited timeframe. You have to understand that these devs are always looking for the best possible visual experience from all standpoints, and that to them (and research they've conducted) 60fps does not sell more than 30fps. Great looking screenshots and trailers do, however. If there's a trailer that plays on tv, it ain't gonna be at 60fps, and screenshots obviously don't really care about framerate. Now I prefer 60fps, and I will always prefer 60fps, but it's not as simple as "just work more!" Optimization is a bitch.
So that's about it. They'll always use marketing speak to explain their decisions, even though they are not the real reasons (they'll never tell you it's too much work, except for the mocap thing, which is funny).
1- Watch Dogs was mostly developed in Montreal. These are not Ubi Montreal employees - I highly doubt that Ubi would pay to send some devs and PR from Canada to France when they have studios in France.
2- "Console manufacturers tell us what we can keep" is BS, but only sort of BS. It's sort of true in that some devs have to get documents approved and such before you can get an OK to start working on the game. The thing is that this happens super early on, not right before you ship.
3- Parity between console platforms is a given - MS and Sony always want parity, and WILL give you shit (free promo usually) if you achieve certain goals for them. Sony in particular will love you if you also give something to PS+, and exclusive content always means better coverage.
4- 30fps is typically a tradeoff. In life, when you have a job to accomplish, normally it takes 20% effort to reach 80% completion, but 80% work to get the last 20% work done. ~30fps is not always trivial to reach, but is more often than not the best achievable result in a limited timeframe. You have to understand that these devs are always looking for the best possible visual experience from all standpoints, and that to them (and research they've conducted) 60fps does not sell more than 30fps. Great looking screenshots and trailers do, however. If there's a trailer that plays on tv, it ain't gonna be at 60fps, and screenshots obviously don't really care about framerate. Now I prefer 60fps, and I will always prefer 60fps, but it's not as simple as "just work more!" Optimization is a bitch.
So that's about it. They'll always use marketing speak to explain their decisions, even though they are not the real reasons (they'll never tell you it's too much work, except for the mocap thing, which is funny).
Sentenza
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Well, I didn't want to post in this thread since it's a baseless story with no credibility.
I also find a bit ridiculous that when the alleged developer said "Console manufacturers are pushing for..." everyone automatically assumed it was just MS (because Sony is made out of saints apparently)... *BUT* since you're asking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
Lanrutcon
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Probably referring to what they initially revealed/said the game was going to be vs. what was released.
ShemhazaiX
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Nope. And it doesn't need to be. It's negative news about MS on the internet. Auto-true.
See?
Thrakier, name one horrible anti-consumer strategy. Just one.
I don't want to speak on behalf of anyone else, but you do know that Microsoft is a pretty awful company when it comes to underhanded tactics in relation to marketing, right?.
For example: http://www.scroogled.com/Home
Often, rather than having faith in the selling power of their own products, they create "propaganda" to reduce desirability of competing products. Whilst I wouldn't call it directly anti-consumer, they have always been far removed from being scrupulous.
Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt#Microsoft
Witchfinder General
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Not that I'm giving this rumour and particular credence but DR3 and Ryse both came out close to a year after their console debut, long past the point of unfavourable comparisons potentially harming sales. Now if let's say as a pure hypothetical Sunsight Overdrive came out on PC the same day as the console version and was 30fps locked on PC then the theory could potentially merit some legitimacy, assuming Occam's Razor couldn't turn up a more plausible conclusion.
CLaddyOnFire
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When I read the thread title, I pictured some businessman wearing an Ubisoft t-shirt standing over a group of elementary school students saying, "now remember, kids, 30 FPS is a more immersive cinematic experience than 60."
so what school
Parity High School?
"We strive to treat every student equally, to you know, avoid debates and stuff"
Gabotron ES
Member
So much bullshit in there lol
Yaphett Kotto
Member
Seeing as this is on the r/pcmasterrace reddit, I am calling bullshit on these claims. That shit doesn't add up, and them having to confess as to why WD was what it was to students sounds unbelievable without some receipts.
MrNyarlathotep
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All of Ubisofts bigger titles are made by all of Ubisofts worldwide studios due to size and scope.
Ubi is notoriously super hardcore about leaks and employees talking too much. I can guarantee this never conversation never happened. Also this reads like the tabulations of someone who has actually no idea about about how game development work
I mean, this? Seriously? Who thinks that game development works that way?
ShemhazaiX
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I wouldn't say that. One of my lecturers at University was the lead designer for Ubisoft Reflections and worked on all the Driver games, and he was pretty forthcoming with a lot of industry information. The only thing he wouldn't share with us was Ubisofts super secret game design method or something along those lines (as in, the process they go about designing a game from scratch and how they organise it and stuff).
Though saying that, he wasn't working full time for Ubisoft at that point I don't think. Can't remember if he'd left Reflections or whether he was just part timing.
"...and so Sony told us: 'tighten' up the graphics on level 2'..."
Portugeezer
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Sounds like bullshit.
So was there DRM bullshit. Most called BS including me until that dark day. After all these years you folks sure are still in disbelief with what these companies are capable of. Especially the ones with the big bank accounts.
POWERSPHERE
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Dude was fuckin with the kids. Nice.
Let us apply the logic you use here, against any company. Or try this. Name a company that has never had a anti-consumer strategy. Or let's list companies that have active strategies. MS is the easy target, and people like to take all the corporations they throw money at, and put some in the "happy pile".
Gamers holding these concepts of one corporation having evil agendas and then supporting others comes off as naiveté.
JordanN
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Unless there are numbers to support 51% or more of people who own consoles also own high end PC's, Sony/MS are not wasting their time trying to convert to people who would never buy multiplats on a console to begin with.
Thing is, devs actually gain from that transaction. Assuming the frame rate can't go above 30fps permits some optimizations and shortcuts that would not be possible otherwise, and an overall lower hardware baseline for the optimal experience with the game.
Scroogled is marketing. Remember "I'm a mac and i'm a PC"? The antitrust and MS stuff from the 90 is all true. Not denying that. But they're not remotely the same company now. Most tech companies don't operate the same way they did 20+ years ago. I guess it comes down to personal "feels" about what people want to believe about a company. Some people think Google is the greatest threat to privacy we've ever had. Some think the Google doodle is super cute.
? They have a pretty good output when it comes to lower budget games, like Valiant Hearts, Child of Light, Trials Fusion, etc.
I'm down here in the filth to brother. Hoping to find a way out also. I'm down on the old slip water street area.
ShemhazaiX
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I didn't say Apples advert was any better, two wrongs not making a right and all. Anyway, I've not seen a single bit of evidence to prove that they're any different than they were, even last year had that really dodgy Nokia take over. MAYBE Nadella will change the company, or maybe he's just a board room puppet to replace the incredibly untrendy Ballmer. We'll probably find out in the next few years or so probably, but I'm not holding my breath.
Zeyphersan
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't gotten a "Tales From My Ass" title change yet