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UK: AC Syndicate launch lowest of any AC except Rogue

Floody

Member
Take a year or two break, give people that Feudal Japan setting, they've been asking for, with completely new combat and stealth mechanics, and save your cash cow Ubi.
 

patapuf

Member
The whole franchise needs a years break and a complete revamp. But Ubi will never do that.

I can't even raise a hint of excitement for another AC game. Black Flag was the last one I played and that was imo the best AC game since ACII simply because it actually took a few risks.

Who knows, with a watchdogs 2 and one of their newer franchises like that narc game they showed at E3 they may have enough big games to skip a year of AC.

but with how much game design ubi games share across franchises they may need to change more than "just" their approach to AC
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Not happy that one of only two huge AAA game franchises (note: I don't count Nintendo games as AAA) I like now starts running into problems :/.I guess soon enough I will completely be locked to niche gaming, considering the other AAA franchise I like, Batman, was intended to be finished with Arkham Knight.
 

Daemul

Member
Whoever wrote that Eurogamer article is wrong, Unity released on a Friday in the UK (the 14 of November), 99% of games over here do. Eurogamer is European based I assume, so they should damn well know that nearly all UK game releases are Fridays.
 

BibiMaghoo

Member
People are tired of the same game. Some annuals get away with it because they are shooters for multiplayer, not narrative adventures. AC can't do that. Just make a future one and end the series.
 

iNvid02

Member
I'm gonna say having 50% less sale time might have had something to do with that..and how the previous entries sins are paid for by the next instalment in an annual series.

Shit...so, what do they do next? Incrementally improving on syndicate and unity isn't going to work, changing up the location doesn't seem to be enough (London is the best location since Rome imo) how do they actually right the ship at this stage? Top to bottom mechanical overhaul? Remake AC2? Let the series go away for a while?

the next one should be in line with ac3 and unity if it follows the the tick tock pattern that seems to have been established - despite not many on here liking them they are the ones that tried to be more ambitious, and got a bigger marketing push with the RISE and UNITE campaigns. bets are on Japan if that abstergo image is accurate.
 

TheJoRu

Member
TIL making a profit = dying franchise. Investors don't care as long as a profit is being made and AC games make profit.

What you should've learned is: declining profits = declining franchise. "Make a profit" means nothing if the publisher believes it can make more profit by reallocating resources elsewhere.

Let's say this Assassin's Creed sells considerably worse than any previous game in the series (we don't know that yet), and then Ubisoft comes out with a Watch Dogs 2 in 2016 that is a blistering success. Both games were profitable, but obviously Ubisoft will switch a lot of its focus from AC to Watch Dogs if this happens, because they believe this is a more profitable venture.
 

Vanguard

Member
To me personally, it doesn't matter if it's the best game in the series, series fatigue is well and truly set in and I don't know when it will go. I thought missing out on Unity and Rogue would be enough but nope. Granted I bought them every year so partly my fault for encouraging the practice, but ah well, it's done now.

I can't tell what the future holds so my stance can obviously change, but as it stands now I don't see myself getting back into the series at all.
 

J 0 E

Member
Also worth mentioning is the fact Ubisoft released Syndicate on a Friday, meaning just three days worth of sales were counted to today's chart placing. Unity launched on a Tuesday, giving it six days worth of sales.

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don't expect it to break any sales record though, bad reputation.
 

wyp100

Member
Whoever wrote that Eurogamer article is wrong, Unity released on a Friday in the UK (the 14 of November), 99% of games over here do. Eurogamer is European based I assume, so they should damn well know that nearly all UK game releases are Fridays.

Yep, you're right. The article has been edited.
 

BeforeU

Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
expected. This game never entered top 10 on Amazon.com rating which is pretty big deal that too during the launch week and that too in Oct when you don't have so many games coming out. This pretty much sums up the excitement. There is none lol

I know lot of people work on this franchise, I hope they start new project and move all their effort into that one.
 

Hasney

Member
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don't expect it to break any sales record though, bad reputation.

It's actually incorrect, not that it Tuesday V Friday tends to have a massive impact anyway.

Whoever wrote that Eurogamer article is wrong, Unity released on a Friday in the UK (the 14 of November), 99% of games over here do. Eurogamer is European based I assume, so they should damn well know that nearly all UK game releases are Fridays.

Looked it up myself and he's right. Came out on Friday over here.
 
Most saw it coming. So hopefully Ubi's expectations were in check as well. I'm sure bundling it with PS4 saved it a heck of a lot more than being the very worst selling in the franchise. I unfortunately picked up Unity last year, but even outside of the bugs and unfinished game at launch, the gameplay was old and tired. Not sure how much Syndicate improves or it doesn't but I'm done with the series as it stands and I'm glad sales are tepid if that's all Ubi thinks it can put out year after year and get great sales from it. The franchise needs putting down and resting for a couple or so years.
 

Rflagg

Member
I wish they would have made pirate creed a thing (turned it into a spin off series) I loved black flag. I just am not that interested in Victorian London so I will wait for a price drop on this one. Feudal japan, ancient Egypt, and Ming dynasty are all settings of the top of my head that would get me to day 1 the game so hard.
 
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don't expect it to break any sales record though, bad reputation.

As Daemul pointed out, that's incorrect. The game launched on a Friday in the UK

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccElb8IDRvA
 

SilentRob

Member
How close are Ubi coming to pushing the big red panic button labeled "FEUDAL JAPAN".



Retail is still king my friend.

Largely most sales occur this way with digital taking 10-20% at best in developed markets.

Digital sales won't change the outlook we have any significant amount for Syndicate.

How are 10%-20% insignificant when judging a game's performance? That could be exactly the units missing compared to previous installments.

Worldwide digital Console game sales reached $326 million last month (http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/22/digital-gaming-sales-jump-11-to-54b-in-sept-report.html), while retail game sales reached $465 in the states (http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/19/september-2015-npd-ps4-wins/).

And while retails software stales stagnate or decline, digital sales are on a constant rise. In a few months Digital game sales could account for the same money as the entire US-retail space - how is that insignificant in any way, shape or form?

You can't just ignore that number and go "eh, probably not important" when judging a game's performance.
 

Snookie

Member
Maybe people have realized not to pay full price for AC games at launch. I know I've learned my lesson. I'll wait for the $30 sale.
 

Kill3r7

Member
Most saw it coming. So hopefully Ubi's expectations were in check as well. I'm sure bundling it with PS4 saved it a heck of a lot more than being the very worst selling in the franchise. I unfortunately picked up Unity last year, but even outside of the bugs and unfinished game at launch, the gameplay was old and tired. Not sure how much Syndicate improves or it doesn't but I'm done with the series as it stands and I'm glad sales are tepid if that's all Ubi thinks it can put out year after year and get great sales from it. The franchise needs putting down and resting for a couple or so years.

Easier said than done when that franchise is the driving force behind your holiday season revenue.
 
How close are Ubi coming to pushing the big red panic button labeled "FEUDAL JAPAN".
Should have already done that. I don't know why they left Europe, just to go back. This year's setting didn't feel as inspired as last year did, and they seem to be shying away from the stories that the titles set in the America's were getting at
at least mention and acknowledging race in the US/America's
 

ISee

Member
Most saw it coming. So hopefully Ubi's expectations were in check as well. I'm sure bundling it with PS4 saved it a heck of a lot more than being the very worst selling in the franchise. I unfortunately picked up Unity last year, but even outside of the bugs and unfinished game at launch, the gameplay was old and tired. Not sure how much Syndicate improves or it doesn't but I'm done with the series as it stands and I'm glad sales are tepid if that's all Ubi thinks it can put out year after year and get great sales from it. The franchise needs putting down and resting for a couple or so years.

I think Ubis expectations were indeed lower this time around. I had the feeling like they really didn't put much money into PR this time (at least much less in comparison to unity) to avoid 'unnecessary' investments. I still think Syndicate is profitable though.
 

Lucreto

Member
I don't think Ubi would be too concerned about the figures as I am sure they expected a backlash from Unity.

Firstly this is the earliest timeframe Assassin's Creed game has been released in. Last year it was the 11th of November the beginning of the Christmas rush. Most other games are released in November so the software sales are usually higher.

After Unity people might hold off until later to see if it's broken or not. The game is getting very positive reviews and player reviews the sales will pick up. I have been linking these player reviews and people who would not buy the game this time around will now get it in November.
 

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Sure seems like it hurt it.

Man Assassin's Creed 3 really kicked the series in the balls sales wise. I get why though, after these amazing locals in Europe and following one character in Ezio throughout his life, to then be shoved into such a boring setting that was America at that time with a lame character and an utterly shit ending with Desmond, I'm not surprised people didn't feel the need to come back.

It's a shame Ubisoft seem to be totally against sticking with one assassin and following their character through their life. I thought the real pull of the whole story with replaying the past through your genres was that your main character was related to these assassins. When they moved to anyone can visit anyone's ancestors they kind of ruined the whole present day story thing, at this point they should just scrap it, seems needless now.
 

ogbg

Member
Also worth mentioning is the fact Ubisoft released Syndicate on a Friday, meaning just three days worth of sales were counted to today's chart placing. Unity launched on a Tuesday, giving it six days worth of sales

Lets wait for the other 3 days, silly to compare sales of 3 days to 6 days

Games always release on Friday in the UK
 

levyjl1988

Banned
When can we get an Assassin's Creed game where you can create your own assassin, more RPG'esque like Skyrim? I think that would be a game changer.
 

Sloane

Banned
Why isn't there two ass creeds like last year?
Ubi getting lazy, I'm afraid. But, yeah, as a player I'd prefer having a choice between at least two different games, and it would most definitely help sales of the Assassin's Creed family.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
What you should've learned is: declining profits = declining franchise. "Make a profit" means nothing if the publisher believes it can make more profit by reallocating resources elsewhere.

Let's say this Assassin's Creed sells considerably worse than any previous game in the series (we don't know that yet), and then Ubisoft comes out with a Watch Dogs 2 in 2016 that is a blistering success. Both games were profitable, but obviously Ubisoft will switch a lot of its focus from AC to Watch Dogs if this happens, because they believe this is a more profitable venture.

Considering what Ubisoft did to Prince of Persia after AC was more sucessfull, I fear this could very well mean the death of AC. Which would be a shame, going from PoP over AC to Watchdogs, they'd really have changed their yearly tentpole release to the absolute worst for me.
 

ogbg

Member
When can we get an Assassin's Creed game where you can create your own assassin, more RPG'esque like Skyrim? I think that would be a game changer.

Unity had pretty extensive customizations actually. You could choose different hood, jackets, wrist guards, trousers, belts, each with different stats as well as looking different. One combination of gear made him look almost like a clown.
 

Ivan 3414

Member
Considering what Ubisoft did to Prince of Persia after AC was more sucessfull, I fear this could very well mean the death of AC. Which would be a shame, going from PoP over AC to Watchdogs, they'd really have changed their yearly tentpole release to the absolute worst for me.

AC has been far more profitable than PoP ever was. Doubt Ubi will drop AC that quickly even if Watchdogs 2 blows Syndicate out of the water.
 

Averon

Member
I don't understand why Ubi is hellbent on avoiding using feudal Japan as a setting.

Are they saving it as an "ace in the hole" to give the series a shot in the arm?
 
I'm gonna say having 50% less sale time might have had something to do with that..and how the previous entries sins are paid for by the next instalment in an annual series.
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Not your fault but the game came out Friday in 2014, like nearly every game.

We had this shit with Forza 6 as well. People claiming a previous game was out Tuesday when comparing sales when it wasn't.

I actually remember the launch for Unity as I had a code for PC which was Friday as well.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
AC has been far more profitable than PoP ever was. Doubt Ubi will drop AC that quickly even if Watchdogs 2 blows Syndicate out of the water.

Considering the high price to develop AC, which can probably not be helped with all too much, due to the nature of the game, I certainly see it threatened by a more sucessful Watchdogs. Ressources invested into AC could then better be spent on the next Watchdogs.


Regarding the person demanding personalization (or as I like to call it: Simsification): Please no, and if they need to do it, don't bother me with it, please :/.
 

QaaQer

Member
Not surprised.

There are only like 35 reviews @ amazon.com for the game. That says to me apathy is apathy has set in.

And where does this idea come from that Black Flag was a sales beast that revitalized the series?
 

iNvid02

Member
Not your fault but the game came out Friday in 2014, like nearly every game.

We had this shit with Forza 6 as well. People claiming a previous game was out Tuesday when comparing sales when it wasn't.

I actually remember the launch for Unity as I had a code for PC which was Friday as well.

surprised eurogamer got that wrong lol, i guess fatigue and unity burning them was sizable then. they should address it in their earnings call for sure
 
Should have already done that. I don't know why they left Europe, just to go back. This year's setting didn't feel as inspired as last year did, and they seem to be shying away from the stories that the titles set in the America's were getting at
at least mention and acknowledging race in the US/America's

A lot of people seemed hype for London as a setting but personally I like more "exotic" locales.

I think London naturally grabs a lot of UK based players interest just by association, though it does nothing for me.
 
surprised eurogamer got that wrong lol, i guess fatigue and unity burning them was sizable then. they should address it in their earnings call for sure

Gets worse. Check out last years article with the same author Wesley Yin-poole

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Eurogamer have turned into IGN :(
 
A shame considering this one actually seems good from GAF impressions + reviews.

The game following a shit game always suffers more than the shit game, which sucks.

Unrelated but when you think about it even though Alien Isolation was fantastic it's still incredible they managed to pull 2M after Colonial Marines.
 
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