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UK-GAF: Hide your copies of End of Evangelion! Virtual Child Porn Ban - Now in Effect

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If you happen to possess any cartoon images on your hard drive – or on your bookshelf – that just might depict children involved in or present at a sexual act, then you should probably have deleted them already.

Today – April 6 2010 – is the day on which various sections of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 come into effect, including those (sections 62 to 68) that specifically criminalise possession of "a prohibited image of a child". The purpose of this offence is to "close a loophole" and to target certain non-photographic images of children, possession of which is not covered by existing legislation.

Henceforth, you will be committing an offence if you possess non-real, non-photographic images that are pornographic, "grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character" and focus on a child’s genitals or anal region, or portray a range of sexual acts "with or in the presence of a child".

Hitherto, the state of play in the UK - courtesy of the Protection of Children Act 1978 (pdf) - was that possession, creation or distribution of an indecent image of a child was a criminal offence. Legislation and precedent extended the law to cover "pseudo-photographs of children": that is, images that were created by means of the manipulation of real, non-indecent images of children and adults, to create an end result that a jury deemed indecent.

Finally, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 raised the age limit for such imagery to 18 – thereby creating the novel legal concept that an act that might legally be viewed in real life became criminal as soon as it was committed to film (or pixels).

The rationale behind the original law was that every indecent image of a child was also an image documenting the abuse of a child. The extension of such a law to "pseudo-photographs" strained at that principle, although in cases where a real identifiable individual was featured, the logic – of protecting that individual from the traumatic effects of discovering or being aware of the existence of such imagery – remained intact.

Debate on the new law made clear that two additional principles were being called into being. The first – for which evidence is contradictory – is that there is a natural progression in the expression of paedophilia, with individuals moving from fantasy to acting out of the fantasy. In such cases, images are considered to encourage such a progression.

The second motivation is more controversial and appears to stem from a knee-jerk "if paedophiles enjoy it, it must be bad". Thus, in the original consultation, one police force declared its upset at being unable to do anything in respect of an individual who possessed nothing other than indecent cartoon imagery, and being required by law to return the material it had confiscated.

Otherwise, the thinking behind this legislation appears typified by Labour MP George Howarth who, during the committee stage of the Bill, famously observed, of a drawing scrawled on a piece of paper: "If somebody is in the process of arousing themselves sexually by that process, it must be part of something. In a lot of cases, it will be part of something that will lead on to something else."

Critics have objected to this legislation on two grounds. The first, that if there is now a criminal penalty in respect of possessing cartoon imagery, this may have the unintended consequence of lessening barriers to the possession of real imagery. There is also some concern that whether a cartoon falls into this category or not will depend on whether a jury decides the age of a cartoon image was over or under 18.

Also, within the small print of the law, is the issue of when a sexual act may be deemed to take place "in the presence of a child". Same frame? Same room? Same cartoon, but different page?

The Ministry of Justice has declined to answer - although a court’s interpretation of that wording may at some future time determine whether an individual goes to prison, or walks free.


Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/06/cartoon_law_live/

Well done UK!
 

micster

Member
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Awesome, we surely must make more laws that don't revolve around the protection of anybody! Still, at least they've gone the drug law rout and reinforced the sanction with hand-picked research.

To think, in 10 years time I could just be arrested for owning a copy of Norwegian Wood. At lease for the mean time the sexual exploitation of children in fantasy is totally alright for mass publication as long as it has an artistic context.
 
This is well thought out legislation.

I can't wait for taxpayers money to be frittered away on a three week trial spent entirely on determining the precise age of a poorly drawn humanoid.

It's one of my major concerns as a citizen of a civilised society.

@Dabookerman - It is a question of fact therefore it will be determined by a jury. I can imagine the hilarity that will ensue when the judiciary get hold of this one.
 

RubxQub

φίλω ἐξεχέγλουτον καί ψευδολόγον οὖκ εἰπόν
Stridone said:
Who gives a shit. Drawn child porn is a victimless crime, fucking whiners. Might even be a good outlet for people like me.
The voice of authority has spoken.
 

Nikashi

Banned
Wow, I just saw this thread, and we've already had the "GOOD, FUCKING SICK ART IS SICK", with the reply of "IT'S JUST ART, WHO CARES", with the standard follow up "WELL YOU MUST BE A PEDOPHILE TOO!"


Can I do the next one?


WHY DON'T YOU MAKE MOVIES LIKE SAW ILLEGAL TOO SINCE THEY'RE DEPICTING A CRIME???
 

Stahsky

A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
I'm not even sure what to think of this. It's a very touchy subject. I live in the USA, though. I don't even know how this shit works over here.

Is it illegal in the USA like this? I mean, on one hand I can see how it's fucked up for sure, but I mean... It's not real. Blah, I can't wrap my head around this one on an empty stomach. Where are my potatoes?
 

Kandrick

GAF's Ed McMahon
Nikashi said:
Wow, I just saw this thread, and we've already had the "GOOD, FUCKING SICK ART IS SICK", with the reply of "IT'S JUST ART, WHO CARES", with the standard follow up "WELL YOU MUST BE A PEDOPHILE TOO!"


Can I do the next one?


WHY DON'T YOU MAKE MOVIES LIKE SAW ILLEGAL TOO SINCE THEY'RE DEPICTING A CRIME???

:lol

Another stupid law.
 

Ryuukan

Member
EvaPlusMinus said:
I'm not even sure what to think of this. It's a very touchy subject. I live in the USA, though. I don't even know how this shit works over here.

Is it illegal in the USA like this? I mean, on one hand I can see how it's fucked up for sure, but I mean... It's not real. Blah, I can't wrap my head around this one on an empty stomach. Where are my potatoes?

Depends on the state you live in and if the media is delivered in a clear plastic bag.
 

Jex

Member
Well that's probably the worst defintion of a law I could think of. It's inherently pointless, as it protects no-one. I mean cartoons are cartoons. regardless. They can't be the victim of anything.

Then comes the biggest question which is clearly - How do you know how old a cartoon is? Which is inherently impossible for a court to work out. Making prosecution very diffuclt, except in the cases where they look extremely young. The best part is the over 18 bit. That'll really stand up well.
 

LQX

Member
Stridone said:
Who gives a shit. Drawn child porn is a victimless crime, fucking whiners. Might even be a good outlet for pedophiles.
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.
 

Ryuukan

Member
LQX said:
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.

Chances are more types of media branded 'indecent' will get banned because of this.
 
LQX said:
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.

"Chances are if they're not looking at cartoon kiddie porn that they might go looking for the real thing."

Note how my statement contains as much causal and reifiable factual evidence as yours.
 

Stahsky

A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
LQX said:
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.


I just killed an elderly woman in GTA. What am I doing now?
 

Slavik81

Member
LQX said:
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.
Chances are, if you own a gun, you might use it to murder someone. And that's not a victimless crime. So guns should be banned.

Chances are, if you play GTAIV, you might decide to steal a car. And that's not a victimless crime. So video games should be banned.
 

Benson

Member
LQX said:
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.

Chances are if you're talking about kiddie porn that you might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.
 

Burai

shitonmychest57
Chances are that if you post on GAF, you might attempt to attach a fence post to a faux pas in a social setting.
 

msv

Member
Benson said:
Chances are if you're talking about kiddie porn that you might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.
Chances are if you're alive that you might die and that is not a victimless crime. So life should be banned.
 

LQX

Member
Some of you laughing or looking down on what I said should look at the fact looking at cartoon kiddie porn is more depraved. The desire and pleasure they might get from it I don't think is the same as playing a game like GTA or even looking at videos of people accidentally getting killed. Its about the spectacle in those cases. I'm surprises anyone here would put looking at kiddie porn in the same league as a game like GTA.

edit-cartoon
 

Jex

Member
I'm checking out my DVD collection to see what I have that would come under this heading, so far it's The Revolutionary Girl Utena movie only. Not too hard to hide when the fuzz comes looking for it. Sure the law is set out to cover loli, but as it's also concerned with everything under 18 that's pretty much a huge amount of stuff.
 

Pimpbaa

Member
Drawn or real, either way you are a pedophile. If it's just drawn child porn you like, maybe you should get help before it's too late.
 

Dresden

Member
Pimpbaa said:
Drawn or real, either way you are a pedophile. If it's just drawn child porn you like, maybe you should get help before it's too late.
Maybe you should stop living up to your tag.

This is such a dumb law because it's so open to abuse. And how do you even define what's criminal and what's not? Hell, watching Smurfette or Tinker Bell is probably criminal if you want to define it that way. I mean, Smurfette, she was fucking asking for it. Every goddamn day. And look at that slut Tinker Bell.
 

Forearms

Member
LQX said:
Some of you laughing or looking down on what I said should look at the fact looking at cartoon kiddie porn is more depraved. The desire and pleasure they might get from it I don't think is the same as playing a game like GTA or even looking at videos of people accidentally getting killed. Its about the spectacle in those cases. I'm surprises anyone here would put looking at kiddie porn in the same league as a game like GTA.

edit-cartoon

Sure, it's not in the best taste at all. Sure, it might lead to something worse for some people.

However, I think the point everyone is trying to get at is that blanket statements aren't going to help here. It's a slippery slope when things that some people may find offensive are censored for all.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
LQX said:
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.
I have a feeling this logic is completely sound in your own mind. And that scares me.
 

Jex

Member
Everyone just mentioning peadophiles clearly hasn't bothered to read the OP. It's a covers all characters that don't "look 18", thats certainly covers a lot more ground them simply things peadophiles are interested in.
 

Konka

Banned
Jexhius said:
Everyone just mentioning peadophiles clearly hasn't bothered to read the OP. It's a covers all characters that don't "look 18", thats certainly covers a lot more ground them simply things peadophiles are interested in.

On GAF anything under 18 means pedophile. 17 and 6 months? Pedophile.
 

Blair

Banned
Debate on the new law made clear that two additional principles were being called into being. The first – for which evidence is contradictory – is that there is a natural progression in the expression of paedophilia, with individuals moving from fantasy to acting out of the fantasy. In such cases, images are considered to encourage such a progression.


Fuck it, pass it anyway! Honestly, why do we have people deciding this shit if they don't have a brain in their nut?
 
LQX said:
Chances are if they're looking at cartoon kiddie porn that might go looking for the real thing and that is not a victimless crime.

How about innocent until proven guilty? there are plenty of things which are gateways to illegal activity, I can anecdotally connect hoodies to anti-social behaviour and other more serious crimes, lets outlaw hoodies!
 
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