jimbobsmells
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UK: Investigatory Powers Bill gets royal assent
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Unlike ID cards though, this won't make even a minor difference to people's day-to-day lives, they won't have to pay for it, and involves "geeky" mumbo-jumbo. They won't care, just spout "I've got nothing to hide"
I wouldn't call the New Labour mandatory ID card scheme "benign" either, except in comparison to this, which it really was. It's worth noting that 10 years ago I wrote to my MP about ID cards and he responded that they were disgusting and against civil liberties. But guess what, he voted for this.
That's what I really think it will come to. The ISP can't provide the details, the police come knocking on the door, check your laptop and see a VPN is being used, and arrest you. What a beautiful fucking country we live in.
formasymphonic
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"Home Secretary hails 'world leading' laws"
where by world leading, what is really meant is surpassing even the laws China & Russia use to justify/enable surveillance on their citizens.
where by world leading, what is really meant is surpassing even the laws China & Russia use to justify/enable surveillance on their citizens.
Yep. Personal data being left in the hands of people who can't stop leaving classified documents in taxis or on trains, or even tilt things away from the lens of a camera as they go to work. This'll go well.
Horray for living in Northern Ireland, in a DUP stronghold
Voted Green/Alliance my entire life, drop in the bucket unfortunately
As something of a Unionist myself, I've voted for N.Ireland to remain in the UK primarily for economic reasons but now I've become increasingly disillusioned with the UK over the past few years, particularly now with Brexit and now this coming into play. I can't even rely on the economic reasons anymore. Been voting Alliance myself.
Royal_Phalanx
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In other news, numbers of Irish passports issued have reached a new record in 2016:
https://twitter.com/PassportIRL/status/803205252493246464
NI peeps, be grateful that you can still get an EU citizenship.
https://twitter.com/PassportIRL/status/803205252493246464
NI peeps, be grateful that you can still get an EU citizenship.
That is until one of the major providers gets hacked and the fact that Mr (or Mrs.) Jones from the Village Council love to watch kinky shit is made freely available. That will tear families and entire communities apart.
Royal_Phalanx
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I'm sure Theresa May's husband has some filthy, very un-Christian sexual fetishes that are open to being leaked thanks to this new law.
linkandzelda
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Sign the petition. Get others to sign the petition. Vote Liberal Democrat when they have a chance of winning. Both Labour and the Tories support the Act so the only way to repeal it would be to either have overwhelming public support to repeal it (the petition) or to install a coalition government with the Lib Dems as one of the parties.
Both options have near zero chance of happenieng, unfortunately.
Like when students did?
Is this about when the Tories increased student fees but everyone instead blamed Nick Clegg for it? Well done lads.
HazySaiyan
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My friend is English but he has Irish grandparents so he's looking at applying for Irish citizenship. I can't say I don't envy him.
LegendofDragoonLives
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What? The law literally does the fucking opposite.
linkandzelda
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Please stop. They negotiated one of their policies away in exchange for others.
They later admitted that they shouldn't have negotiated that particular policy away as it was a significant part of what got them elected but negotiaing policy is a necessary part of coalition government. The Lib Dems did a lot of good in coalition but no one ever mentions the good stuff they did.
There was also a load of crap the Tories negotiated away but no one seems to care about that ethier.
HazySaiyan
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The apathy of this country's citizens on important issues never ceases to amaze me. They'll kick up a stink to high heaven over 5p shopping bags and the shape of bananas, but pass an intrusive, privacy eroding draconian law like this?
They've been collecting for years, probably decades. This just makes it legal to use.
Fecking Toblerone had more news and social media coverage than this.The apathy of this country's citizens on important issues never ceases to amaze me. They'll kick up a stink to high heaven over 5p shopping bags and the shape of bananas, but pass an intrusive, privacy eroding draconian law like this?
The apathy of this country's citizens on important issues never ceases to amaze me. They'll kick up a stink to high heaven over 5p shopping bags and the shape of bananas, but pass an intrusive, privacy eroding draconian law like this?
If it's not costing them money, about celebrities or immigrants, most people don't care about anything
I wonder how long until people's browsing histories start showing up on pastebin
AHA-Lambda
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The apathy of this country's citizens on important issues never ceases to amaze me. They'll kick up a stink to high heaven over 5p shopping bags and the shape of bananas, but pass an intrusive, privacy eroding draconian law like this?
There isn't enough hard drive space on the planet to keep every citizens internet history from Britain alone for decades (at least I think)
The pure logistics of this honestly makes this an impossible law to actually control. ISPs will not have the capacity to keep this volume of data and this is someone who works with ISPs quite often as IT Support.
Depends what they're storing right? If it's just URLs then just tgz it up and be done
Its going to be a huge undertaking for ISPs though, no doubt
So I'm confused, they've been storing it before yet it's a huge undertaking going forward?
Baleoce
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The apathy of this country's citizens on important issues never ceases to amaze me. They'll kick up a stink to high heaven over 5p shopping bags and the shape of bananas, but pass an intrusive, privacy eroding draconian law like this?
The Huxlean future is already here.
Ravensmash
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That is society. Easy, simple things you can hold or see in your bank account matter more than the rest.
If I remember correctly from reading the draft, the URL (or at least the IP of the destination), the user IP, the date and time and the amount of data sent up and down between them. There could be more but that's what I remember anyway.
Also I believe hotlinking will count to? So even though I went to neogaf, there's two images from imgur on here so it will also be recorded that I connected to imgur because I've connected to them to get those images. I could be wrong on that last one but if I read the draft correctly then that is how it works too. So it's going to possibly record a lot.
ISP's probably have (apaprently) but probably for not very long. Security agencies defo have but I remember reading they can only store a few months worth because they were storing everything. (And that got ruled illegal by the EU not long ago too I think for the security agencies, not the ISP's, bit fuzzy on that one.)
uncleniccius
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Add me to the list of considering leaving after university.
This is ridiculous. The porn thing is ridiculous. And we have an opposition who are about as effective as a chocolate teapot. Horrific times.
This is ridiculous. The porn thing is ridiculous. And we have an opposition who are about as effective as a chocolate teapot. Horrific times.
Sumio Mondo
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I work in IT and I cannot see how it's going to work. It's going to be an IT Security nightmare for whoever does it. Script logs all over the place, encryption, ensure that general users are up to speed with the importance of IT security (hahahaha...HAHAHAHA), logging errors, lost/compromised data (hacks will now happen more often, believe that, this is kinda playing right into a data breach haven for some hackers), overloading servers with data and networks that will constantly need updating every year, it will be a very, very stressful job for the poor suckers who have to do it. Everything will have to be so finely monitored and we're only human, mistakes will happen. Heads will roll.
Sweeney Tom
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It's like they found out the world was going to end and refused to let it burn without lighting matches themselves
Not to mention the sheer cost of all that storage.
Maybe when people realise this is going to force their internet bills to go up they'll actually notice what's going on and how it will affect them on a day to day basis.
I'm considering writing a protest script for UK internet users that runs in the background and sends tiny header only requests to random websites every second 24/7.
Good fucking luck to the snoopers requesting and then trying to make sense of those logs.
I'll admit that at the time I didn't really appreciate the part they were playing in the coalition, but the horrible shit that's going through now kind of shows just how much they did manage to mitigate or prevent just by being there.
It makes me appreciate them more in retrospect, anyway.
"OMG these people lied. Let's elect the other people who lied and held more power instead."
This is the only real issue with democracy, you're reliant on the general population not being a complete bunch of idiots. Unfortunately, the general population repeatedly shows us that they're a complete bunch of idiots.
It's mind boggling how people seem to not really give a toss about the state that this country is moving in. The new leader of UKIP said that they aim to be the 'new opposition', and to be honest, with the way things are going, it's entirely possible that this could happen at some point. That, as a minority and a Muslim, is a terrifying prospect.
Unfortunately a lot of people still haven't realised this.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Same. Can't wait to leave.
Sumio Mondo
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That'd be hilarious, government taxing us for paying for data storage they are holding hostage just in case they find some "irregularities" in our browsing history and lock us up. (I do realise it will be probably the ISP themselves that hurl the cost on to us though). I don't think ISPs themselves will be happy with this bill either, honestly, their data and network servers will already be running at capacity, let alone after they have to log everything (like I say, there will be corrupted script logs, this will not work 100% of the time, but the government thinks we are all machines). I bet they didn't even check it with most ISPs in this country first before passing the bloody Bill! The world's gone well and truly mad this year.
Wish i could
That's just it, it will be the ISPs who pass on the cost, but only because they have no choice. The government will give them no funding towards all the storage and manpower they'll need to implement this, but legally they have to implement it. So it's either pass on costs or not comply and the government come down on you hard.
It's also entirely possible that this will put some smaller ISPs out of business entirely. They can't partially absorb costs like the bigger providers, so as they increase their costs customers will jump to other providers who are passing on less of the cost.
There's way more at stake here than just government departments seeing internet history. Every provider is going to be a bigger hack target than ever before, people's jobs are at risk, the possibility for incorrect convictions because someone was using your unsecured WiFi skyrockets, and that's just the start.
Seems like it, can only hope that they see this as more intrusive than the previous stuff they just ruled as illegal/unlawful. But honestly not sure what's going to happen.
The apathy of this country's citizens on important issues never ceases to amaze me. They'll kick up a stink to high heaven over 5p shopping bags and the shape of bananas, but pass an intrusive, privacy eroding draconian law like this?
The Daily Mail and The Sun set the day to day news agenda for most Brits sadly. Both owned by obscenely rich men with their own agendas to set.
Plus us Brits love sleaze, I mean we used to buy the news of the world every week to read tittle tattle in our millions. Vicars bonking,Celebs cheating on their spouses, it's all good 'fun' until you find yourself in the target and when the first data breach comes, and it will, it's not going to be pretty.
JonnyDBrit
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Honestly I kinda feel like the bigger hope would be for the EU to use it in negotiations with the UK over Brexit. As in, they need to compromise the spying capabilities in some fashion if they're to get any kind of deal.
I moved to Scotland around 10 years ago, having lived in Yorkshire for most of my life. I voted no for Scottish independence last time around. If it happens again, I'll be voting to leave.
This government is fucking disgusting and simply enjoys shitting on its own people. Whether it be less spending on crucial social services, penalising people who are trying to find work and now, they want to spy on every activity you make online and say you're not allowed to look at porn online without specific age gates. What's next? Actively banning websites that are anti government? Theresa May is quite possibly one of the worst PM's in living memory.
I'm now full time using a non-tracking VPN and I don't plan to stop.
This government is fucking disgusting and simply enjoys shitting on its own people. Whether it be less spending on crucial social services, penalising people who are trying to find work and now, they want to spy on every activity you make online and say you're not allowed to look at porn online without specific age gates. What's next? Actively banning websites that are anti government? Theresa May is quite possibly one of the worst PM's in living memory.
I'm now full time using a non-tracking VPN and I don't plan to stop.
Yep, need to get a VPN service and I need to understand which one to go for
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