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UK: Investigatory Powers Bill gets royal assent

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Do we know the wording of the amendment that MPs added about themselves? I'd be interested to know if it related to the MPs as individuals or if it was to do with their place of work?

For example, does it mean that the household of an MP will not be logged despite who uses the internet there? Or does it cover anyone working at Westminster and their constituency offices?
 
To all the people saying they're going to leave the UK: see you tomorrow
It's clearly not going to happen overnight. Just like those who are saying goodbye to America after Trump was elected, the process of moving takes time. This bill won't be taking immediate effect, so people still have time to look for a place to live in ROI.
 
It's clearly not going to happen overnight. Just like those who are saying goodbye to America after Trump was elected, the process of moving takes time. This bill won't be taking immediate effect, so people still have time to look for a place to live in ROI.

It would be quite interesting to have an OT on the subject and those actually going through with leaving the UK and their experiences..
 
It would be quite interesting to have an OT on the subject and those actually going through with leaving the UK and their experiences..

Most people won't. It is often a highly emotional, yet understandable outburst that comes in the wake of something that causes great pain. I doubt even 10% of those who threatened to leave the UK or US will. The fucking US celebrities certainly ain't going anywhere lol.

This isn't true for everyone. I mean if you're a student like me or live alone or are wealthy enough you probably have a decent chance of leaving. For settled families or individuals without much career scope outside of what they have, no, they aren't all going to be flocking abroad. For as much as we might disagree on politicaly, the UK and the US aren't terrible places to live. They still aren't and probably won't ever be. The political pendulum is just swinging in certain ways, but it can always swing other ways with effort and hard work.
 
It would be quite interesting to have an OT on the subject and those actually going through with leaving the UK and their experiences..

I have been sizing up moving to Toronto after I finish my degree, it's been a decision a few years in the making, but recent political events have certainly tipped the scales. I'd support an OT like this.
 
GAF is mainly made up of young professionals, who are the most able to emigrate. On my part I have almost no ties here and want to get into an in demand career (programming) so this is realistic if I spend a lot of time working on it. Moving to another country isn't quick at all, you'd be better off asking who's still here in 4-5 years. Brexit isn't the thing that made me want to leave, it was a long standing desire to go experience something new. I've wanted to go work in Europe or elsewhere for a couple of years now, so this isn't some knee jerk emotional thing. Brexit doesn't really make me want to come back one day, however. I also want to give any children I may have the benefit of an EU passport, for their future opportunities. We need an Emigration OT to swap stories and advice.
 
To think that one of the reasons I left the UK in 2008 was Labour's surveillance state. Now, that bygone era seems like a privacy advocate's paradise.
 
So the government responded to that petition.

The Investigatory Powers Act dramatically increases transparency around the use of investigatory powers. It protects both privacy and security and underwent unprecedented scrutiny before becoming law.

The Government is clear that, at a time of heightened security threat, it is essential our law enforcement, security and intelligence services have the powers they need to keep people safe. The Investigatory Powers Act transforms the law relating to the use and oversight of Investigatory powers. It strengthens safeguards and introduces world-leading oversight arrangements.

The Act does three key things. First, it brings together powers already available to law enforcement and the security and intelligence agencies to obtain communications and data about communications. It makes these powers – and the safeguards that apply to them – clear and understandable.

Second, it radically overhauls the way these powers are authorised and overseen. It introduces a ‘double-lock’ for the most intrusive powers, including interception and all of the bulk capabilities, so warrants require the approval of a Judicial Commissioner. And it creates a powerful new Investigatory Powers Commissioner to oversee how these powers are used.

Third, it ensures powers are fit for the digital age. The Act makes a single new provision for the retention of internet connection records in order for law enforcement to identify the communications service to which a device has connected. This will restore capabilities that have been lost as a result of changes in the way people communicate.

The Bill was subject to unprecedented scrutiny prior to and during its passage.
The Bill responded to three independent reports: by David Anderson QC, the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation; by the Royal United Services Institute’s Independent Surveillance Review Panel; and by the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament. All three of those authoritative independent reports agreed a new law was needed. The Government responded to the recommendations of those reports in the form of a draft Bill, published in November 2015. That draft Bill was submitted for pre-legislative scrutiny by a Joint Committee of both Houses of Parliament. The Intelligence and Security Committee and the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee conducted parallel scrutiny. Between them, those Committees received over 1,500 pages of written submissions and heard oral evidence from the Government, industry, civil liberties groups and many others. The recommendations made by those Committees informed changes to the Bill and the publication of further supporting material.

A revised Bill was introduced in the House of Commons on 1 March, and completed its passage on 16 November, meeting the timetable for legislation set by Parliament during the passage of the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014. Over 1,700 amendments to the Bill were tabled and debated during this time. The Government has adopted an open and consultative approach throughout the passage of this legislation, tabling or accepting a significant number of amendments in both Houses of Parliament in order to improve transparency and strengthen privacy protections. These included enhanced protections for trade unions and journalistic and legally privileged material, and the introduction of a threshold to ensure internet connection records cannot be used to investigate minor crimes.

The Government has placed privacy at the heart of the Investigatory Powers Act. The Act makes clear the extent to which investigatory powers may be used and the strict safeguards that apply in order to maintain privacy. A new overarching ‘privacy clause’ was added to make absolutely clear that the protection of privacy is at the heart of this legislation. This privacy clause ensures that in each and every case a public authority must consider whether less intrusive means could be used, and must have regard to human rights and the particular sensitivity of certain information. The powers can only be exercised when it is necessary and proportionate to do so, and the Act includes tough sanctions – including the creation of new criminal offences – for those misusing the powers.

The safeguards in this Act reflect the UK’s international reputation for protecting human rights. The unprecedented transparency and the new safeguards – including the ‘double lock’ for the most sensitive powers – set an international benchmark for how the law can protect both privacy and security.

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It doesn't really offer anything new but at least the petition is now going to be discussed, debated, and rejected in parliament.
 
But, but if you have nothing to hide then why should you be worried . . . . ?

Nothing to hide?

This isn't a question of "nothing to hide". This is the government taking one of our most precious civil liberties and human rights—probably even more important than freedom of speech. Privacy. Everyone has a right to a private life.

This bill allows not only the government (and a number of associated organisations) access to the websites your household visits (which you're responsible for), along with the metadata associated with encrypted communications—but also they're able to access the content of these communications with a warrant if required.

But remember, this is the British government we're talking about—a government renowned for leaving briefcases and hard drives on trains full of private data. And what if hackers get hold of this information? Or corporations?

You will have a profile on you, your interests and habits—available to anyone who wants it (or can get hold of it).

So you, perhaps, might not have anything to hide—but many people choose to live a private life. You should be fighting for them and the basic rights of our society.
 
But, but if you have nothing to hide then why should you be worried . . . . ?

Edward Snowden said it best.

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

I'm sure you realize how absurd that argument sounds.
 
England has always been an interesting place and will remain so until the end of days.the rest of the UK is then pulled in by England. It's often fascinating to watch, always so surreal.
 
Kind of a random take on the subject....

but are we at the point where people around the world are so apathetic that the governments don't even need to make the effort to make these new draconian measures at least sound less vile than they are ala the Patriot Act?

I mean the Investigatory Powers Bill sounds scary even at a glance and yet most of the populace are probably going to let it fly under their radar....
 
So the government responded to that petition.


It doesn't really offer anything new but at least the petition is now going to be discussed, debated, and rejected in parliament.

They talk about 'transparency' yet they're not offering a breakdown of why the list of government departments has access. Probably because there's no good reason for most of them.
 
I keep thinking if it'd be worth starting a petition to have the MP exemption removed from the act.
Would love to see the government public response to that.
 
To all the people saying they're going to leave the UK: see you tomorrow

You realise not all of us are rich enough to just pick up and leave right? It also takes time to apply for visas elsewhere. People complaining it clogs up threads, what would you rather us do, nothing and ignore it?

The Government has placed privacy at the heart of the Investigatory Powers Act.

Hahaha really? You mean your own privacy you complete and utter assholes? This is the government we're stuck with for at least the next 30 years until all the older backbenchers retire. This is just sad.
 
it's like they're TRYING to follow 1984
and how will keeping web history prevent against terrorist attacks?
won't they use communicate in the dozens of other ways like face to face or written notes?
You realise not all of us are rich enough to just pick up and leave right? It also takes time to apply for visas elsewhere. People complaining it clogs up threads, what would you rather us do, nothing and ignore it?

where can you even go, now that morons in my country elected Trump, the world will be ruined. climate change will cause sea levels to rise, internet service providers will be able to throttle your internet connection and charge extra for stuff that used to be free, not to mention his use of nukes
 
x-post from the "Pornography Stone Age" Thread.

Listening to Newsbeat this morning, the story of the thousands of people petitioning against the new £5 notes gets coverage over any mention of the 130k signatures trying to repeal the IP Bill.

Not really surprised but it's interesting as Newsbeat serves as some Millennials' only real news source.
 
and how will keeping web history prevent against terrorist attacks?
won't they use communicate in the dozens of other ways like face to face or written notes?
This is just it, it won't.
The people they claim this will 'catch' (terrorists, peadophilies, etc) are probably using tools like VPN and TOR already. The only people this is going to affect is ordinary members of the public.
 
where can you even go, now that morons in my country elected Trump, the world will be ruined. climate change will cause sea levels to rise, internet service providers will be able to throttle your internet connection and charge extra for stuff that used to be free, not to mention his use of nukes

I've been planning to move to Japan since I was about 17 (although knew I wanted to when I was 9) and have been saving bits each month since I started working towards it. I may die along with everyone else when humanity drives itself to extinction, but at least I won't be in this shithole anymore. Don't get me wrong. Japan isn't perfect especially with someone like Abe in charge, but damn I'd take him over the Tory party.
 
Do we know the wording of the amendment that MPs added about themselves? I'd be interested to know if it related to the MPs as individuals or if it was to do with their place of work?

For example, does it mean that the household of an MP will not be logged despite who uses the internet there? Or does it cover anyone working at Westminster and their constituency offices?

Probably so they can protect historical Tories from being prosecuted after what was uncovered in Yewtree.
 
I can't tell if we got it worse here in the US or the UK. So shook that the UK is becoming Oceania all they need now is big brother.
 
I've been planning to move to Japan since I was about 17 (although knew I wanted to when I was 9) and have been saving bits each month since I started working towards it. I may die along with everyone else when humanity drives itself to extinction, but at least I won't be in this shithole anymore. Don't get me wrong. Japan isn't perfect especially with someone like Abe in charge, but damn I'd take him over the Tory party.

Stay away from Osaka! We are fucked if the sea levels rise even 1 meter.
 
Backdoors by force means businesses and anyone with any ideas they want to hide should be rightly paranoid.

Not only that but imagine any protest groups/uprisings and so on that can't hide anything from the government.
 
Theresa May is honestly the biggest cunt to ever grace the UK government. Why can't she just fuck off to America with Farage and join Trump? Hopefully someone will then blow that place sky high, and the world is three huge cunts down.

That's quite the standard given how blatantly evil Thatcher was.
 
The doublespeak continues.

"Your privacy is central to this legislation"

[add clause that fucks with encryption, the very fucking backbone of digital privacy]

Why hasn't this story blown up? Where is the fucking opposition??
 
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