Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Everyone should stay out of it. Russia included.
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Ukrainian Conflict - Donetsk Boogaloo
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Everyone should stay out of it. Russia included.
Then be happy that you don't look at some of the swedish comment at Aftonbladet. All they are doing, is roothing for Russia and blaming US.
Operations
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Pretty much. Same thing goes for the West, which has been fairly hypocritical in this mess too.
Roude Leiw
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on German news site too.
Ravensmash
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Oh, absolutely.
They signed a contract inorder to protect and aid Ukraine in exchange for the removal of their nuclear weapons. This means military support too.
If they don't help Ukraine then all their contracts will be considered invalid, other countries will develop their own nuclear weapons because simply America's, UK contracts don't mean a shit.
Its a sticky situation for USA.
Hari Seldon
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This isn't a game of Civ. Putin knows that the American population is not going to support their government going to war over the Ukraine and is calling our bluff. Oh well, not much we can do about it.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Everything I've read is that that agreement isn't worth the sheet of paper its written on.
Hard lesson for the Ukraine. Don't trust the West either.
I thought Finland is neutral?
gotta love polandball.
Nikodemos
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The real lesson is never accept treaties that have to go through the UN (especially the Security Council) first.
This is a lesson for everyone, not just ukraine. Nuclear arms agreement all over the world is basically turned to dust. If others wont protect you, even after signing an agreement then you have to protect yourself. Watch how all these countries who agreed to not have nuclear weapons start developing them again.
Yep - it makes absolute sense for an awful lot of states to develop nuclear weapons now.
How fast do you think a well-off and well-educated country could develop nukes? I'd imagine any first world country could build them pretty fast.
Hari Seldon
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Not that fast. Plus you gotta test them and that is tricky unless you are a very large country with a lot of wasteland.
Lagspike_exe
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They wouldn't be allowed to do so by the current nuclear powers. The only exception was North Korea, since they don't care about sanctions. Brazil is the only new country I can see developing a nuclear programme.
Making classical fission based nukes is trivial for any developed country that can acquire the necessery resources. Fusion nukes are a bit more complex. The biggest issue is the delivery mechanism. If you want 100% MAD, you need SLBMs and ICMBs, which are harder to design and build (and much more expensive) than nukes themselves. Naturally, SLMBs apply only to countries with seas.
phazedplasma
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The Budapest Memorandum doesnt obligate any of us to take military action.
But Brazil doesn't have any regional rivals that would require them to do this...
It was technically "neutral" during the Cold War but that wasn't really by choice. The utter domination of the USSR in that sector of Europe demanded it - and it led to something called Finlandization where Finland, out of sheer self-preservation really, took the USSRs side in foreign politics and even self-censored their own media to avoid poking the bear.
Now that we've seen how little neutrality actually protects you against Russia, I think it's time both Finland and my native Sweden bit the bullet and finally joined up. We've both been NATO compliant militarily for years anyway and Sweden has been a member in all but name for about half a century now.
That said Sweden really should build up its defences again. Our current situation is pitiful. We've completely botched the transition from conscript to professional military and are currently woefully understaffed and comparably over-equipped. Russia practising mock nuclear attacks on us last spring should have been enough of a wake-up call really, but I guess some people really like to snooze.
As neutral as Austria with the Common Defense and Security Policy.
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I wonder if people will start realizing how energy independence is a national security issue. Imagine if serious investments had been made. The situation would be very different.
Guileless
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Interesting. Are people just so accustomed to taking that approach that its reflexive now?
i just heard kim jong un was seen flying a mig
jufonuk
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Lol
Vincent Alexander
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Shit just got real.
Tell him Kanye West will smite any attacker so it's all good.
DOBERMAN INC
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Not too sure about that, a reliable source tells me it was in fact Kim Jong-il.
It's not that simple. You need the technology, infrastructure and resources. "Nuclear latency", the capability to develop nuclear weapons quickly, is limited to very few countries, like Japan, Germany, maybe South Korea.
/pol/ on form.
The most hilarious part of that whole article is that author never explains why it's supposed to happen around March 4th. The only thing he actually points to as the cause:
Crazy Person said:
is not even remotely connected to that date in the text. The best he can come up with is within "the next year and a half". Oh, and the entire argument is bull if anyone wondered.
The article on the right side is even better. Apparently just because a big thing happens around the turn of every century (according to a selective reading of a Eurocentric view based both on history and the choice of calendar) something big has to happen now. It's basically the historical version of numerology.
The funny thing? The event that was to define the 21st century, especially in Europe, has already happened. No, not 9/11, not even the EU or the rise of China. It happened in the final years of the 20th century. It was the fall of the USSR. We're all officially living in a post-Soviet world.
Goodacre0081
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Not directly relevant...
Has anyone else seen this? Apparently Obama's photographer took it and says that it's genuinely Putin:
they were KGB acting as civilians.
jufonuk
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I know, my ffs was a , shake my head leave me alone with this, lol
jufonuk
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Well my break from this thread is over, I am back
12 hours of Ukraine Ukraine at work, now my bro is gonna start freaking ... I'm watching the Big Bang theory to get away from this subject, are you happy Putin you made me enjoy the Big Bang theory, I hope they trade sanction your ass hard bitch !!
12 hours of Ukraine Ukraine at work, now my bro is gonna start freaking ... I'm watching the Big Bang theory to get away from this subject, are you happy Putin you made me enjoy the Big Bang theory, I hope they trade sanction your ass hard bitch !!
SymbiantXenos
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Im glad im 1800 miles away from this conflict. Although I do feel nervous about it. And im also glad that no military response is on the table at all.
Although im a born worrier. Things get to me easily.
Although im a born worrier. Things get to me easily.
jufonuk
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Don't work in news, they more intense it gets the more they like it
South Korea just downloads a nuke in seconds.
Unknown Soldier
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You wouldn't download a car
Why do these former Soviet states always think western Europe is going to come to their rescue? If anything don't put all your faith in the west. No way they go to war over an Eastern European country. Georgia and a few other countries come to mind. All of them hoped the west would come, but they never did.
Sanctions, what sanctions against Russia? Gerard Shroder is on the Gasprom payroll
Sanctions, what sanctions against Russia? Gerard Shroder is on the Gasprom payroll
I'm pretty close, well not really close but close enough to be worried. I still can appreciate irony of this situation: Russia forcibly deported all Tatars from Crimea, settled it with russians and now "protecting" said russians by invading yet another country, that's how you make long term plans and implement them, learn folks.
Tatars probably aren't laughing though, ukrainians too.
SymbiantXenos
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Im in the uk. And it's all over the news all-the-time.
so? He is not the "kanzler" anymore
They don't put you gotta pull all ropes when in that position.
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