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Ukrainian Conflict - Donetsk Boogaloo

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Putin doesn't take crap from billionaires, he certainly doesn't take crap from some threats from Obama and other western leaders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjrlTMvirVo

"Did everyone sign the agreement?"
Yes
"Did you sign home boy?"
Yes
"Where's your signature, you lying shit?"
Umm...I ah...
"Get your ass here and sign. Here's a pen"
Proceeds to sign, then starts walking away
"give me my fucking pen back"

Putin is scary as shit. I had chills just watching that whole exchange.
 
The US went almost all the way around the bend during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That's got to be a somewhat reasonable analogy to what's happening here.

Indeed. The principal reason Kruschev wanted missiles in Cuba was actually down to the fact that he wanted a deterrent to the various missile silos the US were establishing all across western Europe (as at the time there were no inter-continental missles). It's somewhat amusingly painted as an act of provocation by the Russians, but the reality is it was more seen as a defensive measure by Kruschev out of concern that some cowboy US president brought up on a diet of better 'dead than red' McCarthyism might come into power one day and decide that vapourizing Moscow was a viable option as it would be London and Paris that would suffer the military blow back rather than New York or Washington, and having a missile silo off the sea board might make them think twice.
 
That survey people keep citing was, if I'm reading that (translated) WCIOM page correctly, conducted between February 1st and 2nd. A lot has happened since then. I'm eager to see how Russians would poll now that Yanukovych's admin has been removed from power.
 
‘What we are seeing here is the return of geography.’Similar to the last, this one neatly lifts you away from the intricacies of Eastern European diplomacy and has the advantage of being almost completely meaningless.
When did we depart geography,[edit: or rather when did geography leave us]? there are some good ones on that list.
This video does not exist.

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I'm in USA.
same.
 
No APK.

Putin is the leader, and he is acting like it. The situation about how shitty it is for the government to come in, for the leader to talk about a single factory getting made, is another problem. People aren't commenting on Putin's entire history as a human being, by seeing him put business men into their place, and giving an ultimatum. The details of the video could be anything. I said sure, it could even be staged, but Obama couldn't even do that.

There is a lot going on in the USA, a lot of political games are played, and a lot of bullshit goes around, and isn't addressed by the president, or the media at large. Putin is in charge, and its very clear from this sample transaction. The only thing admirable about this, is the fact that Putin is acting however someone in his position should, when it comes to inept businessmen. Obama could have treated the Bankers like this, that ruined the worlds economy, he didn't. Or the GOP when they shut down the country.

Please, at least ask for people to go into detail about what they are saying. Rather than assuming its praising a dictators rule. In the context of the video, its not apparent he is dictating to a room of innocent starving children. These are allegedly people who have wasted money, time, and effort. This could be coming from a general to his troops, a manager to his employees, any source. It just happens to be putin, and for me, its rare to see a president actually act with any temerity, when it comes to businessmen.

Moderation is the key to any sort of success in life. So yea, it would be very shocking to see a US/any politician act this way. As theres so much bullshit with our process. I think that is allowed to be noted, isn't it?

I actually can't believe that people are actually thinking that's a good way to be a leader. The reason Putin can do this and Obama can't is Putin literally can either put all these men into jail or have them killed. Obama can't do that.

Actually having a means to kill your opponent makes for easy negotiations.
 
I actually can't believe that people are actually thinking that's a good way to be a leader. The reason Putin can do this and Obama can't is Putin literally can either put all these men into jail or have them killed. Obama can't do that.

Actually having a means to kill your opponent makes for easy negotiations.

Yea lol, good luck getting out of there alive when pissing of Putin.
 
I actually can't believe that people are actually thinking that's a good way to be a leader. The reason Putin can do this and Obama can't is Putin literally can either put all these men into jail or have them killed. Obama can't do that.

Actually having a means to kill your opponent makes for easy negotiations.

And you can be a strong leader without throwing people in jail, as well as be a firm speaker, and a have a level of respect, be crystal clear when dealing/negotiating. These things are things that Obama lacks. Responding with the assumption that people are cheering on the fact that they aren't aware that there probably is a level of actual fear whilst dealing with Putin, aside. The words, the exchange, and in this specific context of the video is at least a trait that could be used to lead. Its refreshing to see it, and as I've said.. it could easily be a general and their troops, or a manager/employees. We've had firm no-nonsense presidents in America's history, that aren't throwing everyone in prison or converting the nation into a dictatorship. Plenty of examples, Obama isn't one of them. As I said earlier, moderation is key to any type of leadership. There is no reason to suggest that people want Putin mirrored at a one to one ratio in their nation, but that being a force to actually be taken seriously, would be welcomed.

Taking note of this isn't praising the way that Putin has historically gained power, and his rule. Its just taking note of the specific scenario.

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And I do understand that it comes off as a bit jovial/naive. I think its all coming off the wrong way. I saw it as a little levity in the thread. I don't mean to offend you, or anyone else, with the comments.

What a disgusting opinion.

Welp.
 
And you can be a strong leader without throwing people in jail, as well as be a firm speaker, and a have a level of respect, be crystal clear when dealing/negotiating. These things are things that Obama lacks. Responding with the assumption that people are cheering on the fact that they aren't aware that there probably is a level of actual fear whilst dealing with Putin, aside. The words, the exchange, and in this specific context of the video is at least a trait that could be used to lead. Its refreshing to see it, and as I've said.. it could easily be a general and their troops, or a manager/employees. We've had firm no-nonsense presidents in America's history, that aren't throwing everyone in prison or converting the nation into a dictatorship. Plenty of examples, Obama isn't one of them. As I said earlier, moderation is key to any type of leadership. There is no reason to suggest that people want Putin mirrored at a one to one ratio in their nation, but that being a force to actually be taken seriously, would be welcomed.

Taking note of this isn't praising the way that Putin has historically gained power, and his rule. Its just taking note of the specific scenario.

What a disgusting opinion.
 
And you can be a strong leader without throwing people in jail, as well as be a firm speaker, and a have a level of respect, be crystal clear when dealing/negotiating. These things are things that Obama lacks.

What are you talking about? Those are the things that got Obama elected twice. Obama is easily the more charismatic and more persuasive speaker than Putin.
 
What are you talking about? Those are the things that got Obama elected twice. Obama is easily the more charismatic and more persuasive speaker than Putin.

I agree, hes more charismatic & persuasive than Putin. But, none of that has to do with the weakness that current, post speech obama has/is. We all voted for those words.. but turned out to be a little different for everyone I'd say. But thats my personal opinion about the man/job. Obama's pretty weak when it comes to international policy/speaking or saying anything of any value. These days.
 
I agree, hes more charismatic & persuasive than Putin. But, none of that has to do with the weakness that current, post speech obama has/is.

Which would be? Your previous post was all over the place and couldn't narrow down any point you were making past the part I replied to.

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Obama's pretty weak when it comes to international policy/speaking or saying anything of any value.
Such as? Or have you had this epiphany after the little Putin snippet? Damn dude, are you really going to fall for propaganda that easily?
 
"Did everyone sign the agreement?"
Yes
"Did you sign home boy?"
Yes
"Where's your signature, you lying shit?"
Umm...I ah...
"Get your ass here and sign. Here's a pen"
Proceeds to sign, then starts walking away
"give me my fucking pen back"

Putin is scary as shit. I had chills just watching that whole exchange.

You can almost smell the fear.
Fucking scarey as hell.
 
Which would be? Your previous post was all over the place and couldn't narrow down any point you were making past the part I replied to.

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Such as? Or have you had this epiphany after the little Putin snippet? Damn dude, are you really going to fall for propaganda that easily?


Jaded, my point is that seeing anything in the video other than Putin's history/reputation/reality, isn't a celebration/support of Putins historic actions. Which some posters have taken an issue with. And I'm responding to someone else saying that the type of leader that putin is, as an entirety, isn't what is being noted by responding to how he deals with billionaires, its just unheard of for politicians to take strong stands against business, or hold them responsible.

Don't be an asshole to me. I'm not being an asshole to you. Haven't been.


Putin doesn't take crap from billionaires, he certainly doesn't take crap from some threats from Obama and other western leaders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjrlTMvirVo

As mad as he is, you have to begrudgingly respect that shit. Had the fucker cowering.

It's old but still epic, we need this in the western world.

Obama would never do this. God damn, i was afraid for everyone in the room. Including whomever he whispered about at the end. Im sure they are dead now. Surely, this was partly a show. But even as a show. Pretty telling. I doubt Obama could even get republican billionaires to listen to him for show.

jesus I wish my politicians had balls like him to confront some powerful lobbyist

Well he is suited to the job. I concluded long ago that we are gangsters. Smart, brave, inspiring, earnest aint got shit on have gun will travel. No man is an island. You cannot protect yourself. Sadly gangs have such shitty initiations and hierarchies but at least you get eyes all round, as long as you behave--shame it isn't profitable to extend that thinking.
>_>

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^_^

-;'-.,

Holy fuck, that billionaire is scared to look directly at Putin.

"Give me back my pen." *deathstare*
 
Jaded, my point is that seeing anything in the video other than Putin's history/reputation/reality, isn't a celebration/support of Putins historic actions. Which some posters have taken an issue with. And I'm responding to someone else saying that the type of leader that putin is, as an entirety, isn't what is being noted by responding to how he deals with billionaires, its just unheard of for politicians to take strong stands against business, or hold them responsible.

Don't be an asshole to me. I'm not being an asshole to you. Haven't been.

I wasn't trying to be an asshole? Sorry if it came across in that manner. Really, a politician taking a strong stand against business' and holding them responsible is also commendable to me but this wasn't a case.. or I should say, a genuine case. Putin's reaction to the oligarchs was insincere; he was scorning them in public just to get the public on his side. Out of the public's eye, they're sipping champagne while congratulating each other on the latest corruption.

You should google the oligarchs and the family relationship with Putin; from their nomination (and ultimately guarantee) of Putin as President in 1999/2000 under the guise that he would be their pawn to Putin's iron fist ruling over them and throwing them in prison if they didn't adhere to his ideals. It's pretty fascinating.
 
Obama is out in 2 years. Putin? When he dies ...

Oh right. Ha. Unfortunately, yes. Putin's reign will undoubtedly extend beyond his death as well; he's a manipulative and nefariously clever guy who is in it for the long haul. He will have a successor in mind when he becomes of frail body that will push on his ex-KGB ideals of Russia.
 
I wasn't trying to be an asshole? Sorry if it came across in that manner. Really, a politician taking a strong stand against business' and holding them responsible is also commendable to me but this wasn't a case.. or I should say, a genuine case. Putin's reaction to the oligarchs was insincere; he was scorning them in public just to get the public on his side. Out of the public's eye, they're sipping champagne while congratulating each other on the latest corruption.

You should google the oligarchs and the family relationship with Putin; from their nomination (and ultimately guarantee) of Putin as President in 1999/2000 under the guise that he would be their pawn to Putin's iron fist ruling over them and throwing them in prison if they didn't adhere to his ideals. It's pretty fascinating.

Sure Jaded, I took being condescended to about having epiphanies after little putin snippets the wrong way. No harm no foul! Also, if you ready my post, which I included in the quote block. I intimated that it was a show, when I said, Sure, this was partly a show but Obama couldn't even get a room of republican billionaires to play pretend. I responded that everyone in the room was terrified, and the person he whispered about is probably dead now. Going with the notion that Putin is, well, what he is.

Thank you for the google suggestions! Sounds fascinating.
 
Sure Jaded, I took being condescended to about having epiphanies after little putin snippets the wrong way. No harm no foul! Also, if you ready my post, which I included in the quote block. I intimated that it was a show, when I said, Sure, this was partly a show but Obama couldn't even get a room of republican billionaires to play pretend. I responded that everyone in the room was terrified, and the person he whispered about is probably dead now. Going with the notion that Putin is, well, what he is.

Thank you for the google suggestions! Sounds fascinating.

It was used in a sarcastic humour tone! Well, I guess it probably sounds less asshole-ish verbatim.
Anyway, I did read over the block text prior to replying and I still, apparently, got the crux of your argument wrong again. So we'll leave it at that. Maybe someone else will figure out exactly what point you're making and engage you in an intellectual level :)!
 
Vices work on this stuff is amazing. I love Vice.

Really is fantastic stuff. Looking forward to their next entry. Does reveal a lot of what I expected. Most of the Pro-Russian populous is Grey Haired and still thinks of the "Glory Days" of the Soviet Union.

The wanna be Cossacks would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. They have no clue of who the Cossacks really were and how hard they fought against Russian tyranny and many of them were so anti-Soviet they fought for the Nazis to try and get rid of Stalin.
 
It was used in a sarcastic humour tone! Well, I guess it probably sounds less asshole-ish verbatim.
Anyway, I did read over the block text prior to replying and I still, apparently, got the crux of your argument wrong again. So we'll leave it at that. Maybe someone else will figure out exactly what point you're making and engage you in an intellectual level :)!

dammit.. well, all in all I'm not saying Obama sucks. I voted for him, but he does suck at certain things(We all have issues with the man im sure). Having some firmness behind his presidency/words/internationally would be really awesome. Thats about all I meant by commenting on a random video posted. I'll follow you on the leave it at that bus, as thats all I was saying.. I don't envy Putin's style of rule.
 
So your comparing a cell phone with 250 free minutes every month to a copper wire where you can only dial 911? Lifeline. Not free line.


Edit: enough about Obama. He's not a crazy dude like Putin.
It's part of the same Federal program. It's been around since the 80's, not something to pin on Obama. But nice try.
 
So your comparing a cell phone with 250 free minutes every month to a copper wire where you can only dial 911? Lifeline. Not free line.


Edit: enough about Obama. He's not a crazy dude like Putin.

Every copper line regardless of active service can call 911.

The program under which you can get a cell phone gives you the option of having either a subsidized land line on which you can make actual phone calls or the basic cell service. That is our modern telecommunications system.
 
I don't think everybody knows why they're doing this in the thread. Pointing out how deeply invested, and it some ways dependent, Russia is in the Ukraine is I think relevant to the discussion in any case. Plus pointing out that other powerful nations behave like this towards smaller nations in what they consider 'their' sphere of influence (China going apeshit regularly on the straits of Taiwan, The Monroe Doctorine, the US embargo on Cuba which is still there whatisthatallabout?)
People seem to forget the Russian perspective here. They've seen Eastern Germany reunify with the West to reform the most dangerous military threat there has ever been to Russia, a unified Germany. They've seen NATO in the Balkans. Poland, much of the Balkans and the Baltic states have joined the EU and will forever be beyond their reach, both militarily and economically. The US has troops and a friendly government installed in Afghanistan where thirty years ago Soviet soldiers are. And now even their Black Sea fleet and the Ukraine, the heartland of the Rus, are falling outside the Russian sphere. People talk about American weakness when from the Russian perspective there has been nothing but bad news as their influence is pushed back further and further. Putin has drawn the line at the Crimea and while it's obviously a violation of national sovereignty and international law it's not the worst result ever for the US.
 
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