If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Are people really saying they should be able to implement 5 characters (1 actually new), 4 stages, new modes, balance 44 characters after reading all the feedback, then test everything and make sure it is working, not crashing on arcade, PC, 360 and PS3 and it's balanced in less than a year?
Is this impatience or ignorance?
Is this impatience or ignorance?
Go sit in a corner and think about what you've said. Then apologize.
No thanks. I like baiting stuff by making my unsafe fireballs safe. I think the two meter cost is fair. You could always reward someone for FADCing on hit instead of block if that's an action you want to encourage among players. Like gaining a meter back or something.
Personally, I'm just fine with how it is.
I know it would break the game 10 times over but I don't care, put parries in Capcom, do it
Or put in a parry mode or something
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Go sit in a corner and think about what you've said. Then apologize.
Parries are fun
Just make them as hard as SlashbacksI think it's like 2 frames to parry
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
How much stronger should those dash-cancelable, unblockable moves that lead to a free Ultra be? If they're so weak, why did I see the best players in the world using them so frequently in the top eight at EVO?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
What is this magic tech that doesn't exist? Why are top players not doing this to stop vortexes! Fuck man you could have won evo
HAHAHAHA WHAT? if you got hit by a level 3 FADC that's your own god damn fault and you have the reaction of a dying old person.
I rarely touch SF and I know all this stuff you guys are spouting is BS
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't think FADC's are dumb. I do think I suck at reliably integrating them into my game, such as it is.
I really wish I didn't suck at Street Fighter IV. Or at least suck MORE at Street Fighter IV than I do at either II, III, or Alpha 3.
(I suck at those, but my losses there feel more like they're due to my shitty decisionmaking as opposed to my inability to really get the game down)
I really wish I didn't suck at Street Fighter IV. Or at least suck MORE at Street Fighter IV than I do at either II, III, or Alpha 3.
(I suck at those, but my losses there feel more like they're due to my shitty decisionmaking as opposed to my inability to really get the game down)
I know, wtf? These quotes are from people that just don't play the game, or hell, even watch it properly.
notworksafe
Member
I'd rather have FAs than parries any day of the week.
But yeah, some of you need to actually play some SF4 before spouting off.
But yeah, some of you need to actually play some SF4 before spouting off.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
PR Rog was the only one getting off focus attacks consistently.
and he was using a character with perhaps the worst focus attack in the game. There's nothing broken about it. People just didn't react properly because no one expects a Balrog to actually use focus attacks
Cross up =! Vortex
It is ass that the safe jump proof 3f DPs are FADCable on block (except Oni's) and when they do FADC forward, you have to guess between another DP, low or throw just because you scored a knockdown and went to pressure them.
Good thing vortex characters and unblockables existed to beat that.
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Give me a break. FA are powerful tools in SFIV. The risk/reward for them skews too heavily towards fishing for a crumple, particularly for characters like Fei Long. It's boring to watch, it's boring to play against, and it's boring to use.
stn
Member
If I'm one of those people who "needs to play SF4" before stating something, then prove me wrong. I said FADC can be dumb because it grants you offense even when under pressure.
Example: Seth is doing his usual hit-confirm against Ryu. Ryu mashes SRK and FADC's forward. Ryu is now in a position to mix-up even though he was blocking a hit-confirm previously.
Example: Seth is doing his usual hit-confirm against Ryu. Ryu mashes SRK and FADC's forward. Ryu is now in a position to mix-up even though he was blocking a hit-confirm previously.
"God's Beard!"
Member
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
No it just means you didn't read the situation right if you got hit by what ever comes after. If someone has to burn meter on a wake up dp fadc they already put themselves in a bad spot and it's up to the person on the offensive to keep his momentum going in that situation, they only have two choices, dash forward or backwards and if you baited that dp completely they cant even FADC it.
Holy fuck ryu can SRK through hit/block stun? FUCK how didn't daigo win EVO with this tech? This example is shit because seth's hitconfirm strings push him out of SRK range
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
This is going to head into "everything needs to be neutered, no one should ever have advantages of any kind" discussion territory.
I love focus attacks. Best thing ever added to a fighting game.
I love focus attacks. Best thing ever added to a fighting game.
It just changes how pressure is applied. Set plays like safe jumps and crossups are much more important in SF4 as a result.
Indeed. Level 3 focus gets beaten by throw, any two hits, or simply not staring at it like a deer in headlights.
Backdashes have at least one airborne frame in AE, so a Zangief U2 could catch it, but probably not from sitting in a FA charge.
real talk, the focus system is fantastic.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Dude if Geif dashed out and U2'd me in that short amount of time on reaction *not randomly* then god damn I'll gladly take that U2 and buy that guy a beer if I could xD
Robot Pants
Member
Yea the focus system is great and needs to stay it (it obviously will). Parties were cool too but they fit af3 not sf4.
Wrong. I read the situation right if I block their reversal on wakeup, since I knew it was coming. It's that in SF4, your reward is making them blow 2 meters for it instead of, like in any previous SF game, damage.
DPs need to be more like Oni's.
stn
Member
@QIsTopTier
The example I used is irrelevant. The point is that you can use FADC to create offense when under pressure. The point is that if you are knocked down on wake-up you can FADC reversal after your opponent starts to apply pressure (ex. you reversal right after the cross-up.)
It doesn't matter if Daigo doesn't use it often. That doesn't negate the fact that it exists. If you reversal FADC through a block-string then you are in a mix-up position. If you're Ryu you can SRK, low, or throw. All the offensive momentum the other player had has been neutered.
The example I used is irrelevant. The point is that you can use FADC to create offense when under pressure. The point is that if you are knocked down on wake-up you can FADC reversal after your opponent starts to apply pressure (ex. you reversal right after the cross-up.)
It doesn't matter if Daigo doesn't use it often. That doesn't negate the fact that it exists. If you reversal FADC through a block-string then you are in a mix-up position. If you're Ryu you can SRK, low, or throw. All the offensive momentum the other player had has been neutered.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
And why are you putting yourself in a position to get DP'd like this? A lot of the top players avoid this situation like the plague and when it does happen to them they typically have an answer.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
Yeah if you play against/watch a top player, you notice they've memorized all the tight non-DPable strings or the best stagger strings to bait a DP out safely.
Apparently he does not know what a true blockstring is.
Because they've come to terms with the ebb and flow of SF4.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
So basically you are saying you are bad and don't understand the game and want them to nerf things you don't understand so you don't have to think as hard and learn the game? Cause that's pretty much what I'm getting from you.
Ragingnight
Member
you can reversal FA?
I don't even play SF4 (or like it) and I know this doesn't exist. Are you confusing SF4 with 3s?
I don't even play SF4 (or like it) and I know this doesn't exist. Are you confusing SF4 with 3s?
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
K.O
No idea why people are complaining about focus this late in the game. Everyone has already figured out the system years back. If you don't like it why are you still playing there's plenty of fighting games that work the way you want
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I don't get it either. I like Focus Attacks, dislike FADC cancels, but am under no illusion that the latter will be altered.
Wakeup ultra!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
LOL then the other person goes through a loop of FA level 3 until he get's ultra! Best game
Is calling the other guy bad how you cope with being unable to discuss the game in depth?
Unlike you, I spend more time playing than watching others play.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I'm sure you are better than me
lol
I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm calling you bad because you are making the complaints and rants that shit players make.
And you obviously don't have the slightest clue how much time I invest in fighting games.
I think making unsafe stuff safe is stupid. You did an upper. I blocked. Now take your punishment. /shrug
stn
Member
Yes, I understand that a true block-string cannot be mashed through.
Ex. You've been knocked down. Your opponent is walking forward to bait a DP. He baits it but you still get to connect the DP and FADC. Your opponent has wasted your meter but is still on the defensive.
2. Using it to get out of high-risk situations. Example: you drop your combo but get to continue pressure because of FADC. Or you think you've hit-confirmed but haven't, and perform an unsafe move at the end.
I mean, I can literally browse through SRK and see pages of people saying safe DP's on block should be removed. As well, some of you are ignoring the very lenient reversal window that SF4 offers. Seriously. I notice the difference every time I play SF4 and then go try ST, 3S, and even SFxT.
Sure, we can go back-and-forth all day about the SF4 engine. But I don't feel like I have much to prove when the majority of people want safe DP's, vortexes, and unblockables nerfed and/or removed completely. Its not a coincidence.
For the record, I know FADC won't be removed. This is merely for the sake of discussion. I hate when people say shit like, "Oh, if you don't like it then why are you playing it?" I don't "not like" the whole game, I'm critically analyzing it.
ST is my favorite fighter ever and I can write a whole paragraph on some of the flaws it has. And????
Ex. You've been knocked down. Your opponent is walking forward to bait a DP. He baits it but you still get to connect the DP and FADC. Your opponent has wasted your meter but is still on the defensive.
2. Using it to get out of high-risk situations. Example: you drop your combo but get to continue pressure because of FADC. Or you think you've hit-confirmed but haven't, and perform an unsafe move at the end.
I mean, I can literally browse through SRK and see pages of people saying safe DP's on block should be removed. As well, some of you are ignoring the very lenient reversal window that SF4 offers. Seriously. I notice the difference every time I play SF4 and then go try ST, 3S, and even SFxT.
Sure, we can go back-and-forth all day about the SF4 engine. But I don't feel like I have much to prove when the majority of people want safe DP's, vortexes, and unblockables nerfed and/or removed completely. Its not a coincidence.
For the record, I know FADC won't be removed. This is merely for the sake of discussion. I hate when people say shit like, "Oh, if you don't like it then why are you playing it?" I don't "not like" the whole game, I'm critically analyzing it.
ST is my favorite fighter ever and I can write a whole paragraph on some of the flaws it has. And????
gutter_trash
Banned
Except you and the people agreeing with you would agree if a top Japanese player said the same thing I'm saying.
I'm bad and not a major fan because I'm criticizing the game Q.Q POSITIVE OPINIONS ONLY
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
I didn't say they were "broken"; I said they aren't anything close to weak. There was a helluva lot more FA use in the EVO top eight than just PR Rog - a dash-cancelled FA is still a FA. It's a huge tool in the game and the best players tend to use them frequently.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
1. why didn't you backdash?
2.How the fuck do you drop a combo but get to continue pressure because of FADC you can only FADC ON HIT and holy shit please spend that 50% meter to correct your mistake and gain almost nothing out of it in return.
Except that you clearly don't know me and that's not my attitude at all. You are bad because you are making DAY 1 complaints about the game that people have evolved past over 4 years ago
There are real complaints about Focus Attacks, ones that should be addressed, but they are not the ones you guys are making.
EDIT: Let me be clearer, the complaints I'm hearing are day-one stuff that show a fundamentally flawed view of how the game is played NOW.