Exactly, I'm totally puzzled by this. I don't know what to believe... I'd swear that's supersampling right there. What else could it be?
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Exactly, I'm totally puzzled by this. I don't know what to believe... I'd swear that's supersampling right there. What else could it be?
DF said that the game is running at 1080p and they are not using super sampling... We'll see.
1.21Gigawatts
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Why Ps5? Just image what NaughtyDogs games at the end of the Ps4s life cycle will look like if the first one already looks incredible.
First Uncharted on Ps3(2007) Bullshot:
Last Uncharted on Ps3(2011) Direct Feed:
First Uncharted on Ps4(2015):
cheezcake
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Well that makes sense at least, SSAA would be an impossibly big performance hit to the PS4. But got dayum that IQ, it's not like the DOF on the face is so extreme that it would mask all the aliasing either.
I really don't know shit about computer graphics, so I don't even know if this is plausible, but could they have come up with their own proprietary AA solution? Given the closed box nature of the console and not having to worry about compatibility issues?
I'm going to guess it's a mix of techniques with SMAA T2x doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Look at Infamous 3 and the image quality they managed, the game looks supersampled in a lot of the screenshots.
boredandlazy
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Should you guys be posting those gifs showing the environment breaking up in the last of us? Might give something away...
I like where your going with this but that U4 screenshot looks awful.
STILLethal
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Agreed
cheezcake
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ND is home to the ICE team, whose job is to create new graphics technology for use on the Playstation. So yeh if they did create some sort of modification to an existing AA technique, it would likely be implemented in an ND game first. Right now I'm thinking this is probably some variant of SMAA, like Ryse and infamous:SS.
1.21Gigawatts
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Yeah, we've all seen the footage, just imagine a sharp direct feed screenshot of it.
I know it's not the best way to compare screenshots (due to compression and resizing), but this is what I call a generation leap.
dat diminishing returns
jk
TheCanisDirus
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That's... eye opening to say the least!
Fancy Clown
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I know it's not the best way to compare screenshots (due to compression and resizing), but this is what I call a generation leap.
The bottom picture looks like real life when compared to U1
B_Boss
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Oh my god.....what in the hell are they doing at ND........some of these devs are going to master coding for the PS4 probably before that Cerny 4-ish year timeline.....this is just stunning for a home gaming console.....I will now go stare at my PS4 in true astonishment...."we ain't seen nothin' yet."
Night and day difference. Not that that will stop the "diminishing returns!!" crowd.
I'm not sure I believe DF on there not being any supersampling. I think they legitimately might be supersampling here... And perhaps they will actually be doing supersampling in the cutscenes in real-time.
Ugh. SRSLY. I'm baffled by the graphics here like anyone else but diminishing returns is a fact. It's not an opinion. It's not a negative thing either and it's not some sort of judgment of what the new consoles can or can't do, it's simply the fact that as you get closer to photo-realism, there's only so much you can do in terms of significant visual improvements. We will never see PS1->PS2 type leaps any more. Fact. That is what diminishing returns means. You can't make those types of leaps forever. That is all. There is no need to debate this or get butthurt when anyone brings up the term.
Ugh. SRSLY. I'm baffled by the graphics here like anyone else but diminishing returns is a fact. It's not an opinion. It's not a negative thing either and it's not some sort of judgment of what the new consoles can or can't do, it's simply the fact that as you get closer to photo-realism, there's only so much you can do in terms of significant visual improvements. We will never see PS1->PS2 type leaps any more. Fact. That is what diminishing returns means. You can't make those types of leaps forever. That is all. There is no need to debate this or get butthurt when anyone brings up the term.
I think it will look like that as well, but I'm still skeptical about the performance. If they can actually get the game to run that well, devs like Ubisoft, Evo, RAD should be ashamed.
Handy Fake
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Connie Yu mentioned something about a sparkly new "rendering pipeline" technique.
Dredd97
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Not really surprised, after all he's killed more people than smallpox over the course of 3 games...
no wonder he's jaded
dragonbane
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You are not going to play that fast unless you try to speedrun it
In terms of requirements? No. So far this could be a tech demo and nothing more. We'll have to see how the gameplay holds up.
WD on PS4 runs a mix of settings. Ultra to Medium. It doesn't run on ultra entirely, that's not possible lol
WeAreStarStuff
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I never doubt the Naughty Gods.
Some people are seriously embarrassing themselves in this topic - I think some people simply don't want consoles to produce stunning graphics. Seeing some cognitive dissonance from some of the PC elitist.
Some people are seriously embarrassing themselves in this topic - I think some people simply don't want consoles to produce stunning graphics. Seeing some cognitive dissonance from some of the PC elitist.
dragonbane
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A Quantic Dream game could momentarily pull it off during actual gameplay I assume. But even then you are never going to get that consistent level of art and textures where nothing stands out. It's just too expensive and this is a pretty controlled environment, so everything is polished. Doubt any game will ever be able to pull this off during the entirety of its duration unless new technology is invented.
They actually went on record saying that Dark Sorcerer is the minimum quality anyone should expect from a proper next gen game and that the visual quality is well below what they planning to achieve on their next game. So it's certainly going to look mindblowing. That and Cyberpunk 2077 will satisfy my sci-fi itch.
cheezcake
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That actually could make a lot of sense, I assumed they were using a deferred lighting render pipeline like in their PS3 games. If they changed the render pipeline itself there's a good chance they're using Forward+ with MSAA (lower computational cost on forward+ than deferred) like The Order. Ryse actually used a combined approach in which particular objects went through a forward+ render, and most other stuff went through a deferred render.
Indeed, a WD dev even said it was High on consoles, not Ultra. Plus from what I've seen, shadowing on consoles doesn't run on High, more like Medium. So it's a mix of High and below.
TheKastorian
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Naughty Gods.
BruceLeeRoy
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I would say this is just as shocking to me as going from Metal Gear 1 to Metal Gear 2.
BruceWayneIII
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That's quite interesting. Anyone heard anything from other developers about an incoming performance boost for the PS4?
dragonbane
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This still wouldn't bring them anywhere close where almost nothing has aliasing. Either it's a new technique or they are actually supersampling somehow. Maybe specific to the type of surface it covers.
You have got to be joking. Going from blocky Minecraft-like character models to actual smooth relatively anatomically correct models IS a far bigger leap than just further increasing the detail and rendering techniques on that. And if you go even further back, going from 2D sprites to 3D sprites is an even bigger leap than that. What we see here today is not of that magnitude. That is what diminishing returns means.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah and an Ubisoft employee said he heard the same thing from "a buddy at ND." Whatever they're doing, hopefully it carries over to the rest of Sony's first party devs. It's almost like they've cracked some magic code - I would never have imagined a game looking like this running at 1080/60 during the lifetime of the PS4.
It does on textures which what I was saying.
No PS4 runs High on everything aside Textures which are Ultra (water seems higher than High but not quite Ultra) XboxOne can use medium shaders at points, mostly seen in cutscenes and Draw Distance seems shorter on X1.
I really hope we can get to see Nathan shirtless.
or Elena or Chloe ;-)
There's more to graphics than just polygons.
cheezcake
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IIRC Thuway has a terrible track record recently, and honestly that sounds just as nonsensical as the xbone secret sauce stuff that constantly came up.
MSAA 4x, the slow movement and the light covering of DoF across parts of the face probably all combine to get rid of the jaggies. Also IIRC, under the right circumstances MSAA can give results quite similar to SSAA.
bouc_emissaire
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Why Ps5? Just image what NaughtyDogs games at the end of the Ps4s life cycle will look like if the first one already looks incredible.
To compare with :
BruceLeeRoy
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I see where your coming from completely but this is going from "okay that is clearly a face that shows decent emotion" - Uncharted 2,3 to - "Holy hell is that live footage!" - UC4
He almost looks real its insane. I guess in quantifiable terms I understand what you mean.
Diminishing returns doesn't refer to processing power or amount of effects or indeed, amount of polygons. When we talk about diminishing returns with graphics, we talk about the general impression that the visuals can give us. In that regard, it'd be stupid to dispute that there are indeed diminishing returns.
For example: Toy Story was groundbreaking. There have been tons of improvements in CG since then and at many times the visual fidelity has doubled since then. Have you been twice as impressed every time the fidelity doubled? Nope. Why? BECAUSE DIMINISHING RETURNS MOTHERFUCKER. You can only wow people by upping the fidelity so many times. At some point, graphics look 'good enough' to most people and while amazing advances in tech certainly continue to impress geeks like you and me, they become less and less impressive or even noticeable to most.
This is how it works. Please stop making silly arguments about how diminishing returns is not a real thing.
I do completely agree on this, what ND is doing here is mindblowing to me.
Dangoesforth
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I am assuming that ICE very quickly shares its tech with other first party studios, so hopefully this spreads amongst PS4 first party titles.
I think its an ongoing thing, there was some tweets from Dan Olsen of treyarch saying it was nice to see change logs of api updates with things he'd asked for in, Cort from the ICE team tweeted him back saying it was nice to get some requests that he could do off the bat.
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