I keep having to see the same shit over and over about adapting AFFC/ADWD for the show, you can suffer through this.
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That's the common denominator for the dislike for this scene, overall, from what I have read. There's plenty of rape and other atrocities going on in this show over the years, so it's nothing new.
..and since when is stating an opinion "thread whining"? Or are you just trying to further troll me into some kind of pointless back and forth a la your "the rest of the forum is this way --->" line..
I don't mind him at all. I find him to be a better actor than the other dude, as well.
i like him. especially when he whipped out dat ol daario dihk and showed them meereenese who's boss
Dany getting raped by Khal Drogo was also dropped.
SquiddyCracker
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Well, not really.
Again, rape is just another facet of life in Westerosi/Essos society - it doesn't have the same implications it has in our own modern society.
In their world, a man is entitled to having sex with his wife - rape simply isn't a concept in that scenario.
Yeah I agree with this. Reading the No Spoilers thread and seeing how many people who were starting to like Jaime now hate him again makes me cringe. Jaime's story is my favorite example of character change and redemption so far in the books (and his chapters were my favorite thing about AFFC by far), and they just completely fucked it up. I thought it was a pretty great episode besides that, but that's a pretty big blight on it for me.
I think consenting to have the man who set up the whole series of events killed is a pretty dramatic conclusion.
Viserys said he'd let Khal Drogo and all his men rape Dany. Dany made the best of her circumstances and took that power from her brother. She took the power from those who would dominate her.
The Artful Dodger
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I like to think that scene with Dany talking to Mereen is based on how 2Chainz's life-story
The Artful Dodger
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Somebody with Gif skills need to take that scene where the slave picks up the collar and insert the words, "Based on a T.R.U. Story"
Maybe they think it was rape-rape.
People in the thread that should not be named, arguing that it's purple because of the wine(wat) or because purple is the color of kings.
What I like about Jaime is that he does bad things only for his family or to save other people. Killing the Mad King and breaking his oath saved millions of lives and consequently subjected Jaime to years of ridicule as the Kingslayer. Pushing Bran out the window was necessary because if Bran talked the whole Lannister house is pretty much destroyed.
He really is like a reverse Walter White, where with Walter he initially does bad things for his family and then we eventually find he's just doing it for himself, with Jaime we initially think he's just this cocky villain until we find out every dishonorable thing he's done comes from a desire to protect other people.
I dislike the show portraying him as raping his sister, who at this point he is still 100% devoted to, in order to appease his own lust. It doesn't fit in with his book character at all and doesn't even make sense with how his character was portrayed in the show, since he saved Brienne from rape and even lost a hand for it. I really do wonder where they'll take his character now that book Jaime and show Jaime seem different. What more terrible things can they make Jaime do to poor Cercei?
He really is like a reverse Walter White, where with Walter he initially does bad things for his family and then we eventually find he's just doing it for himself, with Jaime we initially think he's just this cocky villain until we find out every dishonorable thing he's done comes from a desire to protect other people.
I dislike the show portraying him as raping his sister, who at this point he is still 100% devoted to, in order to appease his own lust. It doesn't fit in with his book character at all and doesn't even make sense with how his character was portrayed in the show, since he saved Brienne from rape and even lost a hand for it. I really do wonder where they'll take his character now that book Jaime and show Jaime seem different. What more terrible things can they make Jaime do to poor Cercei?
Lactose_Intolerant
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no Belwas really made the horse fight scene anticlimactic. As someone said, felt very Indiana jones
SquiddyCracker
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Should have just splurged a bit and have a dragon swoop down and eat the dude.
The Artful Dodger
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I liked the fight, but considering it was the closest thing we really got to an action sequence in this episode, It had me wishing it was a bit longer.
But it was pretty rad.
The Artful Dodger
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Nina Gold et al. are the true geniuses responsible for the show's success.
BrokenEchelon
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I was very impressed with him after doubting the casting choice.
New Daario is also muuuuuch better than horseface from last season.
SquiddyCracker
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Old vs New Daario will be a subject of eternal debate.
Old Daario had that untouchable swagger.
His face exuded exotic swagger, and the way he spoke just made you hate-love him.
New Daario looks like generic sellsword #3.
bishopcruz
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So to add to the murkiness of the rape/she was totally into it (sigh) issue:
Another quote from Alex Graves explaining that it was supposed to be consensual.
He goes into detail as to why:
Yeah, nope. Graves screwed up BIGTIME. It comes off as rape, D&D even talk about it as such. At least they got the disturbing part of it right, I guess? Good lord, what was he thinking?
Another quote from Alex Graves explaining that it was supposed to be consensual.
He goes into detail as to why:
Alex Graves said:
Yeah, nope. Graves screwed up BIGTIME. It comes off as rape, D&D even talk about it as such. At least they got the disturbing part of it right, I guess? Good lord, what was he thinking?
CambriaRising
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Not anymore. Now he is the dude that nailed a horse in the head with a boobie dagger at 50 yards, and winked kaleesi (Shes the dragon chick)
SquiddyCracker
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He's getting there, he need a couple of more deeds like that.
Don't forget that Old Daario snuck right into Khaleesi's tent undetected, dropped his ex-bosses' heads on teh ground like a boss, and got himself a nice glimpse of her highness in the nude.
The One and Done
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The Artful Dodger
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The One and Done;109010256 said:
Lol. I was joking man.
Well there you go. It's probably tough, especially with a production like this, in that you are making this thing in a vacuum essentially. So they conceived, blocked and shot the scene with a certain intent in mind, and likely they saw that intent communicated clearly every time they watched the scene, because they had the knowledge of what they were trying to see, what each physical movement meant, what the motivations were, that they just didn't realize they weren't communicating it as clearly as they could have.
I still don't know where I come down on the nu-Daario. Old Daario had the weird look that I kind of took as the show's way of doing "exotic" without resorting to ridiculous blue tri-beards. He also had a certain smugness that rubbed me the wrong way just like Daario should. Daario 2.0 kind of looks like he could be one of Ned's brothers or something, but I feel like the way he handled the duel this week won me over a bit.
elrechazado
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He also wargs into patchface. Nobody spoil this for the show watchers pls
But what about Benjen tho
Morrigan Stark
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Why do people think old Daario looked "exotic"? He looked like some sort of eurotrash Fabio lovechild.
Does anyone else on the show look like that? If your answer is no then he's exotic.
elrechazado
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That must be why they recast him with a beard.
Morrigan Stark
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He kinda looks like how I'd imagine Loras Tyrell. But anyway, no one on the show looks like Tywin or Samwell either...Does anyone else on the show look like that? If your answer is no then he's exotic.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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My problem with new Daario is that he's just not that charming. With the old Daario, one could see where Dany would be taken in by his good looks/charisma. I can't imagine the new Daario seducing her in any way.
SquiddyCracker
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Can we talk about how awesome the Thenns are?
Coldblooded the way the Thenn leader told that little brat he was going to eat his mama and papa. Rest of the wildlings be like
Coldblooded the way the Thenn leader told that little brat he was going to eat his mama and papa. Rest of the wildlings be like
Morrigan Stark
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Completely the other way around for me. I can't imagine ever being attracted to someone like doucheface Daario but the new one is at least cute. And yes, dat wink ^
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I think I like new Daario better. I didn't really have much of an impression of old Daario other than he was kind of annoying (which Daario is) and that bald guy he was with and who he killed was pretty awesome. New guy seems kind of generic, but someone I could tolerate.
Can we talk about how awesome the Thenns are?
Coldblooded the way the Thenn leader told that little brat he was going to eat his mama and papa. Rest of the wildlings be like
Awesome? They're like a Nordic-themed wrestling stable with Star Trek makeup.
I half expect the main one to cut a promo in every episode.
SquiddyCracker
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They need to have New Daario dye his beard blue.
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, it's a shame, if that was their actually intent. Sounds like it would have just taken an insert shot or two of her pulling herself onto him/her legs wrapping around him to add least add a good measure of ambiguity.
They really should have just had her keep her dialogue from the book. That's as clear cut as you can get.
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