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[Conan-san]

Meanwhile at Nintendo;

http://a.pomf.se/hcbzwq.webm

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

oh my god

 

[Valnen]

If the game is as pretty and fun as ours will be, who cares?

That's the thing Ubisoft. If your game isn't running at my monitor's native resolution of 1920x1080, your game won't be that pretty. It will be blurry because I'm using an LCD computer monitor to run my PS4 games.

 

[plagiarize]

"All these people complaining about 1080p, who cares if it's 1080p or not"

Well... uhm all those people who complained?

 

[VE3TRO]

I'm sure the people saying "just unload this to this" know exactly how to program a game for a console.

 

[orochi91]

Ubisoft also has said that this new engine was designed for next-gen hardware.
The new hardware is the one with GPU compute that can take over quite a bit of CPU tasks according to their own presentation.

One of them is lying, it's either anonymous Ubisoft or public Ubisoft. ;-)

All triple AAA Ubisoft games will be sub-1080p I bet.

Seriously, if this engine is what they've come up with to cope with new console tech,
then I can't take them seriously lol

 

[GSG Flash]

Sounds like a bullshit response, the difference in power between the PS4 and X1 is definitely more than 1 or 2 fps.

My preordered is staying cancelled Ubi.

 

[jayu26]

Yuppp...
My favorite part is that there's not a single person on this forum who can identify whether any particular game is 1080 or 900 until digital foundry chimes in, yet it's the most important thing to talk about this gen. Anyhow, the email makes perfect sense and is exactly what I've been assuming since this whole controversy began.

God dammit! I knew it. Curse you awesome eyes of mine that can tell the difference on a well calibrated TV. I want to be like everyone else.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Ubisoft also has said that this new engine was designed for next-gen hardware.
The new hardware is the one with GPU compute that can take over quite a bit of CPU tasks according to their own presentation.

One of them is lying, it's either anonymous Ubisoft or public Ubisoft. ;-)

Oh wow, didn't know they publicly stated that in the past. That's even more embarrassing, since CPU bottlenecks should be even less relevant with their fancy pants "next gen engine".

So yea, someone in the company is lying super hard, one way or the other. Either way, Ubisoft looks completely incompetent/disorganized in the end. Sad.

 

[ItsTheNew]

Once again, Ubi, just give us a video of unity running at 1080p on the ps4 and if it's a big stuttering mess you'll avoid all this drama...that is if you're telling the truth

 

[Zombie James]

Meranwhile at Nintedo;

[rl]http://a.pomf.se/hcbzwq.webm[/url]

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Etnos]

Yuppp...
My favorite part is that there's not a single person on this forum who can identify whether any particular game is 1080 or 900 until digital foundry chimes in.

pretty much this..

The fuck?

It was a week in and no one was sure what resolution Shadow Of Mordor was running on xbox one. We all had to wait to the digital foundry article so we can actually appreciate how inferior the xbone version is.

 

[vrln]

I can't even imagine how the PC port will be.

This is good news for that version. The CPU´s in these current generation consoles are crummy compared to even the worst you can buy for PC´s. They are netbook level stuff. I look forward to this game´s PC version showing how far a properly driven (= not the PS4) Radeon 7850 can go when it´s not bottlenecked.

I don´t really see any point in all this outrage - just a lot of armchair developers. It´s clear this game is mostly CPU bound (as open world games often are) and in that case resolution parity is to be expected. If the game was a linear "cinematic" experience things would be different, but this isn´t Uncharted.

 

[keltickennedy]

Yuppp...
My favorite part is that there's not a single person on this forum who can identify whether any particular game is 1080 or 900 until digital foundry chimes in, yet it's the most important thing to talk about this gen. Anyhow, the email makes perfect sense and is exactly what I've been assuming since this whole controversy began.

Yep. Remember Killzone? Shadow of Mordor 60fps? Also AC4: Black Flag. A lot of people were talking about the 1080p PS4 version until Ubisoft put out the statement that they would be patching in 1080 resolution. lol.

 

[Alcoholikaust]

and LMAO @ the SoM jab!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I don't understand what the CPU strain has to do with resolution.

Am I just really computer illiterate or what's happening here

 

[RedNumberFive]

Yuppp...
My favorite part is that there's not a single person on this forum who can identify whether any particular game is 1080 or 900 until digital foundry chimes in, yet it's the most important thing to talk about this gen. Anyhow, the email makes perfect sense and is exactly what I've been assuming since this whole controversy began.

You should apply for a job with IGN.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

That is really sad. Why are you proud of that?

Don't think he is, just stating the facts. Optimization is like the last thing you do on a game, so most games have a shit framerate up until release. Sometimes even after!

Spoiler

Like every Ubisoft PC game.

 

[sbrew]

He is just saying the PS4 just wasn't quite enough to get to 1080p

Probably Xbone runs at ~30-40fps and the PS4 runs 37-47ish at 900, so they just locked it to 30

He said it was a 1 or 2 fps difference not a 7 fps difference.

 

[ymmv]

If the bottleneck is the CPU then this make a lot of sense. The component that is nearly the same in both the PS4 and the XB1 is the CPU. The extra GPU power and memory in the PS4 don't matter if they are not involved in the bottleneck. Sounds reasonable to me.

A CPU bottle neck means the framerate is indeed limited but since the GPU isn't, the PS4 should have GPU headroom for a resolution bump.

Ubisoft are lying through their teeth.

 

[Final Verdict]

Since when is 1080p/60 fps not next-gen graphics?

Halo 1 MP at 1080p & 60fps :

Those next gen graphics.....
XD

Seriously though, since when does 1080p & 60fps make a game have 'next gen graphics'? The graphics has much more to do with the IQ than the resolution.....

 

[John Bender]

Sounds like a bullshit response, the difference in power between the PS4 and X1 is definitely more than 1 or 2 fps.

If you only compare the CPU's, they might be right.

 

[AkuMifune]

You should apply for a job with IGN.

Or Ubisoft

 

[Chobel]

Compressed lighting information. The engine needs to load it, decompress it and send it to the GPU. Decompressing data in real time can eat up a lot of CPU time, and if you have a massive game world with partially pre-baked lighting that will take a shitton of space. It's not like textures that you tile, it's unique data. I have no idea if 50% of the CPU time is a reasonable number, but it's possible they decided to used that prebaked GI and were stuck with weak CPUs and not much power left.

OK, but both consoles have special hardware for decompressing textures, so you don't need CPU for it, or at least not 50% CPU for it.

 

[Banana Aeon]

He said it was a 1 or 2 fps difference not a 7 fps difference.

Oh, then Ubisoft fucked up severely scripting out the code. That's bullshit.

 

[TGO]

Either a fake or Ubisoft has been hanging round MS too long and caught their "don't know when to shut the fuck up with BS" syndrome

 

[ypo]

If there's no difference between 1080p and 900p surely there's no difference between 900p and 720p. Might as well stick with 720p, or lower using UbiBuffoon logic.

 

[Morts]

Everyone calling bullshit sounds like they made up their mind a week ago and won't listen to any new information. Threads like this are also largely useless unless everyone is also posting their software development resumes alongside their arguments.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I don't understand what the CPU strain has to do with resolution.

Am I just really computer illiterate or what's happening here

I think they're taking the popular PR approach of repeating a party line enough until people buy in. This explanation is no better than the 2 they previously issued, but already people in this very thread are saying "Yea, that makes sense. I believe them this time."

Just keep repeating and more people will shrug it off, i guess.

 

[SeanR1221]

Yuppp...
My favorite part is that there's not a single person on this forum who can identify whether any particular game is 1080 or 900 until digital foundry chimes in, yet it's the most important thing to talk about this gen. Anyhow, the email makes perfect sense and is exactly what I've been assuming since this whole controversy began.

I remember when the patch that changed Black Flag from 900p to 1080p came out. I didn't know what the patch was for and started playing while it downloaded.

Once the patch was finished, I quit the game and installed the patch. I immediately noticed it looked different. It seemed a lot crisper.

I went online and checked and sure enough, resolution upgrade.

But lol! No one can tell

 

[Bl@de]

So they have been in developement for 4 years and only got 9fps 9 months ago?

Unbelievable ... Or they program it 3 years on a powerhouse pc. Start it up on consoles and cry. And then crunch time begins ... Great pc footage shown, console settings lowered and optimized. Hand in hand with bullshit ubisoft blah blah blah marketing. You have to love it.

 

[Maninthemirror]

CPU on Xbox One is faster.

if you have e.g. an i5 1.75 ghz vs i5 1.6 Ghz with the 1.6 ghz PC having a GPU card which is half a generation newer and faster, there WILL be a difference in performance in favor of the 1.6 Ghz PC and I am not even taking into account the memory advantage.

 

[cpp_is_king]

If there's no difference between 1080p and 900p surely there's no difference between 900p and 720p. Might as well stick with 720p, or lower using UbiBuffoon logic.

Rather just go down to 1p since all resolutions are equivalent. Imagine how well you could light the scene.

 

[BWJinxing]

So say its CPU bound because of baked lighting and package decoding. So in the case of PS4, why didn't they deploy GPU compute? All this CPU talk with no mentions of the GPU. GPU AI, etc would free up cycles for CPU.

Im walking away with the feeling that, its good enough for the release date.

 

[CambriaRising]

Everyone calling bullshit sounds like they made up their mind a week ago and won't listen to any new information. Threads like this are also largely useless unless everyone is also posting their software development resumes alongside their arguments.

Like this alleged dev did?

 

[Monster Zero]

Yep. Remember Killzone? Shadow of Mordor 60fps? Also AC4: Black Flag. A lot of people were talking about the 1080p PS4 version until Ubisoft put out the statement that they would be patching in 1080 resolution. lol.

Let's not forget when ubisoft uploaded the "PC" footage of watchdogs and and trolled everyone by saying it was actually the PS4 version, but whatever, let's continue to play big pocket, little pocket

 

[JeffG]

Or.... which makes more sense, they simply went for parity.

which actually doesn't make any sense.

Only to the tinfoil wearing crowd thinks that parity is a thing.

 

[MaximusPayne]

Read it in this voice/tone:

With reader's response:

 

[gruenel]

Yuppp...
My favorite part is that there's not a single person on this forum who can identify whether any particular game is 1080 or 900 until digital foundry chimes in, yet it's the most important thing to talk about this gen. Anyhow, the email makes perfect sense and is exactly what I've been assuming since this whole controversy began.

Do I know you?

 

[cyberheater]

They're the same and you know that.
.

Factually incorrect.
However hard you find the information. The Xbox One CPU is clocked faster. Accept it.

 

[killatopak]

25 gigs of LIGHTNING?

The graphics has much more to do with the IQ than the resolution.....

Resolution affects IQ more than any other metric.

 

[murgo]

My preordered is staying cancelled Ubi.

And mine will be cancelled this week.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

What he said was stupid yes, but this is an equally stupid thing to say. Unity looks very much next gen.

Oh yeah. 900p and 30fps. The pinnacle of next-gen technology.

 

[orochi91]

snip

People on this board are able to parse through such blatant lies. But nah, you keep drinking that kool-aid.

Everyone calling bullshit sounds like they made up their mind a week ago and won't listen to any new information. Threads like this are also largely useless unless everyone is also posting their software development resumes alongside their arguments.

So I need to be a developer to call this stuff out?

lolno

 

[Nestunt]

The random jab at Mordor is pretty funny.

someone is worried about innovation

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

So it will be curious to see how well the console versions hold 30fps. I'm expecting 30fps with drops, perhaps some heavy.



Mordor = Next Gen Gameplay

Unity = Next Gen Graphics

Seems like Monolith made the right trade off

Hahahahaha
They really just insulted themselves in my opinion. Bragging that youbhave better graphics than a new LOTR game? Probably with a lower budget too. Classy Ubi.

 

[SMZC]

I have to ask, but do you normally pre-order games in a series you do not find especially fun?

I do not find the AC series fun when speaking strictly from a gameplay standpoint, no, but there are other things in the series that I enjoy. That's why I pre-ordered Unity, and I'd do it again if only Ubisoft's stance on this whole fiasco were different.

 

[Asriel]

I believe them this time. I really honestly do. He explains that both consoles had trouble reaching 900p, but PS4 could achieve a higher framerate at that resolution than XB1. They still decided to lock it at 30 for consistency. Good call, and perfectly explained IMO.

I think he explained it pretty well also.

The fact that people need to see a crappy 1080p version is eyeroll-worthy. As if their opinions would change after that anyway.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Everyone calling bullshit sounds like they made up their mind a week ago and won't listen to any new information. Threads like this are also largely useless unless everyone is also posting their software development resumes alongside their arguments.

What they are saying doesn't make sense. Resolution has nothing to do with the CPU. That's all GPU.

The PS4 has a better GPU than the XBone. The CPU are identical. That's it.

Unless they reveal that the PS4 has better AA, we're wondering what happened to the GPU advantage.

 

[Chobel]

Yes, we have a deal with Microsoft, and yes we don't want people fighting over it, but with all the recent concessions from Microsoft, backing out of CPU reservations not once, but twice, you're talking about a 1 or 2 fps difference between the two consoles

So we're talking full parity here?