mckmas8808
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
I done ear test. And you can't even hear the sucker on when it's running.
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UPGRADESTATION!(PS3 now supports dts-HD master audio)
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I done ear test. And you can't even hear the sucker on when it's running.
Actually you don't see 'DTS Master Audio' because that is not what is said below the dts logo. But anyway, it's the insignia next to the dts logo which implies Master Audio. Master Audio is DTS's term for lossless compression, and for Blu-ray that only comes as part of the DTS-HD specification.mr_nothin said:
Chiggs
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BlueTsunami said:
I was skeptical until I read about the Transmeta thing.
Seriously, I bet a lot of people here are expecting a ton of defective PS3's, but what if Sony actually designed a really stable, cool and quiet system that had a really small number of defective units?
The Bentley of gaming consoles is less than three months away.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Chiggs said:I was skeptical until I read about the Transmeta thing.
Seriously, I bet a lot of people here are expecting a ton of defective PS3's, but what if Sony actually designed a really stable, cool and quiet system that had a really small number of defective units?
The Bentley of gaming consoles is less than three months away.
Even with this being the case, i'll still be getting an Extended Warranty no matter what
Chiggs said:I was skeptical until I read about the Transmeta thing.
Seriously, I bet a lot of people here are expecting a ton of defective PS3's, but what if Sony actually designed a really stable, cool and quiet system that had a really small number of defective units?
The Bentley of gaming consoles is less than three months away.
It would be impossible to tell if that happens, because there will be defective units and once that happens the internet will be plastered with "PS3 unreliable" "I'm on my 16th PS3!". Really, the first place someone goes if their console breaks is the internet. To alert the internets. Someone post that pic.
edit; I'm getting the warrenty too. I don't gamble with PS3s.
monkeymagic
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mr_nothin said:
DTS-HD Master Audio has also been known as DTS-HD and DTS++
It's anyone's guess as to what it will eventually end up being called or why the 'HD' part is missing but it is definitely not a standard DTS logo and it shares the circlular rings which currently is only carried by the DTS-HD Master Audio logo.
Also Blu-Ray spec allows for DTS-HD so it seems to be the logical conclusion that it is that indeed.
the BR spec doesnt require players to decode TrueHD, but it is a supported audio stream of the disc format itself
also if you guys are confused about dts-hd, just read this page:
http://www.dtsonline.com/consumer/dtshd.php
although it wont really help (yes apparently normal DTS ES 6.1 is called HD now...)
also if you guys are confused about dts-hd, just read this page:
http://www.dtsonline.com/consumer/dtshd.php
although it wont really help (yes apparently normal DTS ES 6.1 is called HD now...)
It suports TrueHD, but does It decode it? Thats the question.Mmmkay said:Well there's a big fat [tiny] logo on the side of the thing which says it decodes Dolby TrueHD, so I think that might be a clue.
If it decodes it, you won't need a Dolby TrueHD hdmi 1.3 receiver to get actual trueHD sound.
monkeymagic
Banned
Bad_Boy said:
It should definitely decode DD and DTS.
If it decodes TrueHD and DTS-HD (like the Toshiba HD-DVD player) then woot
Um, I don't understand what you're asking. There aren't any analog 5.1 outputs on the PS3 so the only way you're going to get native 5.1 TrueHD is with a digital passthrough over HDMI 1.3. Just because the PS3 can decode TrueHD doesn't change that limitation. Being able to decode TrueHD means that it can be re-encoded (and mixed with other audio streams) to a format that can be passed over S/PDIF or earlier versions of HDMI.Bad_Boy said:
At least, that's how I understand it anyway.
Mmmkay said:
hey Mmmkay I have a Hdtv with DVI hook up and no hdmi. If I get a Monster Cable HDMI to DVI Cable (HDMI400/DVI-2M) could I use this to hook up ps3 hdmi to my tv?
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/prod...broadvision.session.new=Yes&BV_UseBVCookie=No
The question is does it though? saying it should and saying it is, is a very thin line.monkeymagic said:
well from my understanding, if the ps3 does not decode TrueHD but only supports it, you will need a receiver that supports HDMI1.3 which supports TrueHD so it can decode the sound. Which might cost you a pretty penny seeing they are rare.Mmmkay said:
If it does indeed decode TrueHD, then all you will need is your standard receiver (with minimum HDMI 1.1 port IIRC). Which are much cheaper. And most of us won't even need to upgrade if we already have them.
Supporting it is one thing, Decoding is another thing.
But somebody feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong.
He didn't say it would output TrueHD 5.1, he said it would decode it. As I explained, that is advantageous if you're doing any kind of Picture in Picture iHD trickery because that requires multiple audio streams to be mixed together in the 360. Doing this in TrueHD 5.1 > DD5.1. Also, it's pretty clear that there's going to be a 360 hardware revision which includes a HDMI port (maybe we'll even see analog 5.1), so that support needs to be there from day 1.squicken said:
TheJesusFactor
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Nvidia said:
That shouldn't be a problem since HDMI is DVI plus additional connection for audio. However, that means it will only work for Video only. Audio you still need a receiver with HDMI input. But I know nothing about the new HDMI 1.3 standard.
Right, sorry I was getting S/PDIF's limitations mixed up with HDMI's. Yeah, HDMI 1.1 will carry up to 8 channels of uncompressed LPCM audio, of which 6 would be what the PS3 wants to send over HDMI if it can decode TrueHD. That then depends on your receivers ability to handle more than 2 channels of LPCM, and at what resolution.Bad_Boy said:
I've not read into it too much but I imagine that in order to sport the logo, a player has to decode at least 2 channel TrueHD.
soundwave05
Member
Should I be worried about my HDMI connection on my LCD?
It's just a basic HDMI connection from what I can tell ... if the PS3 is HDMI 1.1 or 1.3 or whatever the heck it is ... will it work with an older HDMI connection?
It's just a basic HDMI connection from what I can tell ... if the PS3 is HDMI 1.1 or 1.3 or whatever the heck it is ... will it work with an older HDMI connection?
Crazymoogle
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Kintaro said:
Er...why would it need to decode? A receiver is typically supposed to handle that since it has a direct interface to your speaker setup. Now encoding, on the other hand, is likely doable in software, though dunno on the performance hit?
yeah, you will have no problems if you have a receiver with trueHD 1.3 hdmi that decodes the audio for you. But you can skip all of that if the ps3 can decode the audio, and most of us wont have to upgrade receivers. otherwise you wont be getting the actual TrueHD sound.Crazymoogle said:
on the other hand, I think the ps3 decodes dts-hd which also is an impressive new format.
BlueTsunami
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So wait a minute. The PS3 can decode these new Audio formats and shoot them out to a receiver thus eliminating the need for a receiver that can decode dts-HD and the other HD audio formats?
soundwave05
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Bad_Boy said:
You mean do I have a seperate home theater setup? Because pretty much any LCD/plasma comes with some type of built-in speakers from what I've seen.
BlueTsunami said:
That, we don't know yet. It is unclear whether it will simply pass an undecoded bit-stream via HDMI (1.3 spec allows for this), or actually do the decoding to PCM (HDMI 1.1 spec allows for this).
What I wouldn't be surprised is if it simply passes a bit-stream at first (to make BluRay's with full decoding more attractive) ... and then they do a firmware upgrade for decoding later.
As it is simpy a SW-based BluRay player ... this wouldn't be hard to do. I can see them doing the above as a concession to other manufacturers.
I'm not sure how much we'll actually see this used. As far as I understand, that would mean that the general public would basically getting the audio "master" from the record labels and the movie and TV studios, something they are loathe to give up. Especially considering the high probability of the PS3's security getting cracked within months of release.
And seeing as how game studios barely got a good hold on DD 5.1 this gen, I doubt they'll get anywhere near "master" quality.
And seeing as how game studios barely got a good hold on DD 5.1 this gen, I doubt they'll get anywhere near "master" quality.
no confirmations yet, so we don't know.BlueTsunami said:
oh im sorry mybad, I thought you were referring to a lcd computer monitor. Yeah you should be just fine. hdmi 1.3 will work with older hdmi tv's. there would be a lot of problems if people couldnt get their hdmi running, cause im sure there are A LOT of tv's without hdmi 1.3 yet.soundwave05 said:
dyls said:
Technically, it's not the master - it's a compressed version of it in a proprietary format. With this in mind, even if you somehow got the stream what would you do with it? What decoders exist that do not use HDCP?
As to whether the PS3 gets cracked, that has nothing to do with DTS Master audio. It is not more likely the PS3 would be vulnerable to hacking than any other player as the security system employed is HDCP.
1) Im not sure anyone ever implied games would use this in real-time its for movies.
2) master quality isnt really some magical thing. A player with the proper decoder will turn this into a PCM stream to pass via HDMI 1.1. This transcoding is known to have no degradation of sound which means 24-bit/96kHz is sufficient to make an exact duplicate of what we are now deeming master quality. (To be technical, there is nothing to say studios wont eventually produce sound at a high-resolution one that may not be transferable in this way.).
My point being, even if game developers dont want to mess around real-time encoding of differing DD and DTS formats there is nothing to say they cant simply use high-quality multi-channel PCM. With that in mind, there will likely be games with sound-quality at or near master quality.
Lord Error
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Even if just some movies end up supporting only one or the other, it's not bad to have support for both. On PS3 at least support for both relies just on different pieces of software, there's no additional hardware needed for any of that.aaaaa0 said:
You probably have the older PS2 fatty model. Last revision of the fatty model was pretty silent, and the slim one is even more so.beermonkey@tehbias said:
Zombie James
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Excellent news, nice to see audio quality isn't getting overlooked.
Marconelly said:
$$$
Having two lossless codecs is a waste of licensing money.
There's an argument for having multiple lossy codecs, since different codecs might be better on different types of content.
But a lossless codec is a lossless codec. The discs and players should just pick one.
Beer Monkey
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Marconelly said:
My current one is from early 2003. It's loud. Ditto my 360 and both of my Dreamcasts. I don't like it.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yeah, that's an old enough model. The silent 'fat' one was in production as of late 2003 or early 2004 I think.beermonkey@tehbias said:
The licensing money for that must be peanuts. In an ideal world, I agree with you on principle, but I'm just saying that even if a few movies that you like end up using DTS-HD exclusively, support for it is fine by me.aaaaa0 said:
BlueTsunami said:
yes. Both HDDVD and bluray do this. They actually require the player to do the decoding, so they can mix in director commentary etc.
So you don't need HDMI 1.3. Just normal HDMI 1.1 or greater, passing the decoded PCM down to your receiver.
Or analog 5.1 outputs into your receiver.
As for 'PS3 doesn't have analog outputs', well I don't think we've seen any pictures of the PS3 AV outs planned by Sony. Lets wait and see. I hope they do support that, as I have 5.1 inputs, but not HDMI on my receiver.
And the HDDVD add on for XBox 360 is supposed to support decoding of Dolby TrueHD 5.1, and the only reason to do that is if it can output it. So they'll need a new cable hopefully too.
Kleegamefan
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max-pain said:
The only version of that logo is for dts-HD Master Audio, so no....
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