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US government to ban citizens from travelling to North Korea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40680500

The US is to ban its citizens from travelling to North Korea, according to two agencies that operate tours there.

Koryo Tours and Young Pioneer Tours said the ban would be announced on 27 July to come into effect 30 days later.

The US has not confirmed the news.
Young Pioneer Tours was the agency that took US student Otto Warmbier to North Korea. He was later arrested and sentenced to 15 years in prison, but was returned to the US in a coma in June. He died a week later.

The China-based company later announced it would no longer take visitors from the US to the country.


It issued a statement on Friday saying: "We have just been informed that the US government will no longer be allowing US citizens to travel to the DPRK (North Korea).
"It is expected that the ban will come into force within 30 days of July 27th. After the 30 day grace period any US national that travels to North Korea will have their passport invalidated by their government."

The embassy is trying to check on the number of US tourists left in the country.
Mr Beard said the embassy was urging all US nationals to depart immediately.


Media captionTensions are high between the two Koreas
He said that the 30-day grace period would "give leeway for any [Americans] currently in the country as tourists or on humanitarian work".

Simon Cockerill, of Koryo Tours, told the BBC it had also been contacted by the Swedish embassy.He said the agency would still conduct tours and take Americans until the ban came into effect.
Mr Cockerill said: "It's unfortunate for the industry but also for North Koreans who want to know what Americans are really like."

North Korea eased the rules for American visitors in 2010

But there has been momentum recently in the US for a ban on travel.
In May, two congressmen introduced the North Korea Travel Control bill to cut off the foreign currency the country earns from American tourists.
A senior state department official said last month that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had been considering a travel ban since April, and it had gained more urgency since the Warmbier death.

Otto Warmbier appeared in a news conference in 2016 confessing to stealing a propaganda sign. Otto Warmbier, 22, was an economics student who was arrested on 2 January 2016 and confessed to trying to take a propaganda sign from a hotel.

He was sentenced to 15 years of hard labour.

In June, North Korea said he had been in a coma for a year after contracting botulism.
He was flown back to the US on 13 June but died a week later without regaining consciousness.

His family rejected North Korea's version of events, saying he had been subjected to "awful torturous mistreatment".

There are reported to be three other US citizens in custody in North Korea:
Kim Dong-chul, a 62-year-old naturalised US citizen born in South Korea, who was sentenced to 10 years of hard labour in April 2016 for spying.

Korean-American professor Kim Sang-duk (or Tony Kim) who was detained in April 2017. The reasons for his arrest are not yet clear.

Kim Hak-song, like Kim Sang-duk, worked at the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology (PUST) and was detained in May 2017 on suspicion of "hostile acts" against the state.

The US has in the past accused North Korea of detaining its citizens to use them as pawns in negotiations over its nuclear weapons programme.

Tensions increased this month when North Korea announced it had successfully tested what it said was its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the latest in a series of tests in defiance of a UN ban.

The US and South Korea then conducted a ballistic missile drill and issued a stark warning to the North.

Actually surprised this did not come sooner, I just hope that this isn't Trump pulling civilians out because he is considering trying to take down the North Korean regime via military means. Because that would totally fuck over Japan and South Korea and lead to a costly and devastating war.
 

darkinstinct

...lacks reading comprehension.
Sets a bad precedent. It's one thing to warn your citizens, it's another to prohibit them from visiting another country.
 

_Ryo_

Member
Huh. ...i might actually support this. Tourists visiting NK directly benefit the elites of NK at the further expense of its citizens lives.

But IF its Trumps idea and i dont know what to think about that
 
I'd be happy if someone like Obama did this because I imagine he would have some sort of plan, but when Trump does it, all I feel is unease because I'm wondering who's pulling the strings and what their aims are. There would certainly be plenty of companies that would be interested in having a costly and protracted war in the region...
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
That tourism money doesn't benefit the citizens lives.

Most information people could learned about this Marxist state by visiting it can be found online since it's 100% controlled.

The Government itself killed one of your nationals.

They have fucking concentration camps, self inflicted famine and who knows how many more humanitarian atrocities occurring as we speak.

Any move that stops more money from lining these monsters pockets is a good thing.
 
Huh. ...i might actually support this. Tourists visiting NK directly benefit the elites of NK at the further expense of its citizens lives.

But IF its Trumps idea and i dont know what to think about that
... You don't have to disagree on literally every single thing Trump has ever done or will do.
 

jph139

Member
I always assumed this was already the case - that people just get around it the way they do Cuba, by going through other states. Here it'd be via China.

I guess this just makes for steeper punishments if a US citizen is caught violating it?
 
I always assumed this was already the case - that people just get around it the way they do Cuba, by going through other states. Here it'd be via China.

I guess this just makes for steeper punishments if a US citizen is caught violating it?

If the report is accurate, US citizens who violate the ban will have their passports cancelled.
 

Rlan

Member
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Kthulhu

Member
I always assumed this was already the case - that people just get around it the way they do Cuba, by going through other states. Here it'd be via China.

I guess this just makes for steeper punishments if a US citizen is caught violating it?

I say the US should issue a ton of PSAs to people traveling to China that basically say "If you're going to North Korea, you're on your own".
 
I don't want to support NK either, but I don't like the idea of the government telling me where I can and can't go once I leave its borders.
 
Do they generally forbid americans from going to other dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Russia and China? There was obviously the last guy that died but generally speaking NK isn't particularly dangerous to US citizens.
 
I honestly thought this was done years ago.

Can't say I disagree with the ban. People need to stop giving their money to that awful regime out of morbid curiosity.
 
Do they generally forbid americans from going to other dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Russia and China? There was obviously the last guy that died but generally speaking NK isn't particularly dangerous to US citizens.

Of course not, and don't you think that might be juuuuuust a little bit of a false equivalency you're drawing there?
 

F34R

Member
I say let people make their own choices. If they wanna go there, then that is on them. You shouldn't need the government to help you on this.

So, I'm against this.
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
Reminds me of that Gaffer who made a thread about recently visiting North Korea and how delightful he found the painfully transparent facade created entirely for propaganda purposes that surrounded him.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Do they generally forbid americans from going to other dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Russia and China? There was obviously the last guy that died but generally speaking NK isn't particularly dangerous to US citizens.

1. Those countries aren't anywhere close to being as bad as NK.

2. None of those countries you mentioned are dictatorships.
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more
Huh. ...i might actually support this. Tourists visiting NK directly benefit the elites of NK at the further expense of its citizens lives.

But IF its Trumps idea and i dont know what to think about that

So you care more about who made the policy rather then the policy iteself??

Valtýr;244084305 said:
I don't support the notion of a government telling me where I can or cannot go after I leave said country.

If you went to North Korea, got detained and sentenced to work hard labor for the rest of your life for no reason would you also be ok with your government doing absolutely nothing to get you back then?
 

Kthulhu

Member
I say let people make their own choices. If they wanna go there, then that is on them. You shouldn't need the government to help you on this.

So, I'm against this.

Valtýr;244084305 said:
I don't support the notion of a government telling me where I can or cannot go after I leave said country.

I assume you both are cool with the idea of being held for ransom then?
 

CD'S BAR

Member
Their shitty government is threatening to and now capable of nuking us. No one should be funding these clowns, much less USA. It's about damn time.
 
So you care more about who made the policy rather then the policy iteself??
It's not like it's a bad thing to question the motives of a decision. Trump has done a very poor job of instilling confidence in his knowledge of foreign matters so I can see why some would be wary to trust him on this.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Valtýr;244084686 said:
I don't really see how that's relevant? There's a difference between someone saying "Hey you probably shouldn't go there" vs. "Hey you can't go there"

Evidently the former didn't work.

I personally don't want my tax dollars going to paying the ransom for a bunch of knuckle draggers.
 

Chittagong

Gold Member
While the financial gain from western tourism for the DPRK government is negligible and not really a valid excuse not to go, I think US is doing the right thing banning their citizens from going. They shouldn't be handing bargaining chips over.

Interesting to see wherher European tourists start to get detained now.
 
Of course not, and don't you think that might be juuuuuust a little bit of a false equivalency you're drawing there?

NK is generally safe for american tourists. It is a horrible dictatorship, but so is SA.


1. Those countries aren't anywhere close to being as bad as NK.

2. None of those countries you mentioned are dictatorships.

Yes, I forgot all about the true and free elections in Russia, China and Saudi Arabia.
 

Kthulhu

Member
NK is generally safe for american tourists. It is a horrible dictatorship, but so is SA.




Yes, I forgot all about the true and free elections in Russia, China and Saudi Arabia.

Fair point, but that doesn't make those countries dictatorships.

I suppose you could make the argument for Russia, but Saudi Arabia is a theocratic monarchy and China is a single party socialist government.
 

tokkun

Member
If it's about sanctions, it's fine.

If it's about safety, they should let people make their own decisions. If they really wanted to prevent citizens from taking risks with their personal safety abroad, they would punish people for trying to climb Everest.

I assume you both are cool with the idea of being held for ransom then?

Bizarre question. Do you ask people going to London if they are cool with a terrorist hitting them with a truck?

If you live your life based only on whether you can accept the worst-possible outcome, you can't do anything. At some point the probability of that worst-case scenario occurring has to enter into the decision-making process.
 
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