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Usage Based Billing approved, Canadian govt shoots it down, more developments to come
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crazy monkey
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DopeyFish said:
who the hell did this in friday afternoon? Make it saturday and i can bring 50 people
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=188341937853896
There's already 1500 people going (supposedly)
Dundas square isn't very big...
There's already 1500 people going (supposedly)
Dundas square isn't very big...
DopeyFish said:http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=188341937853896
There's already 1500 people going (supposedly)
Dundas square isn't very big...
With the snow.. the date.. the timing.. I expect it to be about half the size of the Save Transit City rally, which was pretty pathetic.
A fair usage-based price would probably be acceptable to heavy downloaders, but the ISP's will have none of that, because more than 50% of their customers could suddenly expect to pay fifteen cents a month for Internet. Bell's income would drop like a rock. Just about any scaled price inflated to match the ISP's desired profits would price heavy downloaders out of the market, resulting in a price hike for the lighter users, pushing their prices back to where we started, and then some.Zombie James said:
Our current system is priced by the quality of our connections, which range from shitty to medium, and cost from medium to high. Bigger downloads draw people to pay higher prices for better service. The system already slants towards aggressive users paying more, and casual users paying less.
If people want more of a fair, more drastic slant, the ISP's should build some better quality, modern connections for the heavy users and lower the cost of the shit-tier (and stop trying to fool light users into thinking that they need fiber optics for email). Of course, that will never happen, not when ISP's are willing to double-dip on pricing structures.
...nickleback.Firestorm said:
Content laws worked great when (made up numbers incoming) radio and much played 50 songs instead of 20 and did not stick to the same few artists at a time. My memory on this could be wrong though the rascalz may have been overplayed the same and going back more years is tricky.
DreamMachine
Member
The story is now getting some sway, it was on national news on ctv and on Lang and O Leary show.
mjemirzian
Banned
I'd love it if I could pay 10 cents a gig.
I liked that the Teksavvy guy mentioned that it only costs 1-3 cents per GB to deliver it but the overage charge is $2. I just wish they would also mention that Bell's infrastructure was subsidised by the Government whenever someone says that they're just "piggy backing" on Bell's lines.DreamMachine said:
gutter_trash
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LOL, as soon as the lobbying money would roll in, they would quickly do the same as the ConservativesJinaar said:
And the disinformation is out there!
I just read the free newspaper in the subways this morning and the article was like "The end of unlimited internet connections, ISPs will now charge by the bandwidth use".
Is it me or they really don't get that it have nothing to do with "unlimited" or not but simply that resellers won't be able to cope with the main ISPs charging them by the bandwidht they use?
I mean, I really doubt that Bell, Rogers and co will suddendly change their internet plans just like that. They will have the total edge now and they will kill any smaller ISP competition so will they go the "double greed" route and change their plans even if they don't need to?
I just read the free newspaper in the subways this morning and the article was like "The end of unlimited internet connections, ISPs will now charge by the bandwidth use".
Is it me or they really don't get that it have nothing to do with "unlimited" or not but simply that resellers won't be able to cope with the main ISPs charging them by the bandwidht they use?
I mean, I really doubt that Bell, Rogers and co will suddendly change their internet plans just like that. They will have the total edge now and they will kill any smaller ISP competition so will they go the "double greed" route and change their plans even if they don't need to?
Blue Submarine No. 6
Member
Who do you think owns the newspapers you read?Ranger X said:
TouchMyBox
Member
EvilMario said:
Everyone is downloading all the steam games they bought on sale but never bothered to download while they still can.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Happened to me too. Call them to see what's up and they'll diagnose and fix it for you.enzo_gt said:
Been on tek cable for awhile now. Love it!
The national had an article last night which I thought was fairly dissapointing. It addressed the cap and it's affects on individuals and small businesses but didn't address the major underlying problems of insane level of controls these few companies have on publicly subsidised infrastructure, how these plans lock out all competition of both connections and content while forcing people into Bells, Rogers connections and content, or how corrupt the CRTC is or any topic like that. Hopefully they go into greater depth this week.
TouchMyBox
Member
lol
Zombie James
Banned
Where are those quotes from?
Zombie James said:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,2425111?hilite=caps+bell+canada
This shit was from 2002...unless something has changed in 9 years.
TouchMyBox
Member
RS4- said:
It's pretty similar to the Sonic Cycle.
The other thing I want to know is why these "abusers" are paying to essentially keep abusing. This fixes nothing. Maybe the big telcos should start a big piggy bank and fill it with all the pure profit they gain from overage charges.xclaw said:
Maybe then Canada can get better network infrastructure.
FFS, the responses from Rogers et al. are getting increasingly reprehensible. It's like they know they're cornered, caught red handed, and now they're trying whatever they can to rationalise abusing their customers. Yeah, we woke the fuck up and we're not going back to bed angry.
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At bells maximum speed they offer, it would take 137 minutes to max out the 25GB
That's right...2 hours out of 720 hours in a month
How can anyone classify that as abuse?
So even if you fully max your down speed for 10 hours... You're over 125 GB
That's just 20 minutes (!!!) worth of downloads per day
On UBB - that would cost approximately $200... For 20 minutes of maxing their advertised speed per day... at a rough cost of $6 to them
That's right...2 hours out of 720 hours in a month
How can anyone classify that as abuse?
So even if you fully max your down speed for 10 hours... You're over 125 GB
That's just 20 minutes (!!!) worth of downloads per day
On UBB - that would cost approximately $200... For 20 minutes of maxing their advertised speed per day... at a rough cost of $6 to them
Firestorm said:
Ok let's start over
At bells maximum speed they offer, it would take 411 minutes to max out the 75GB
That's right... Less than 7 hours out of 720 hours in a month
How can anyone classify that as abuse?
So even if you fully max out your download speed for 16 hours... You're over 175 GB
That's just 30 minutes (!!!) worth of downloads per day - family of four... Average of 7.5 minutes
On UBB - that would cost approximately $220.... For 30 minutes of maximizing their advertised speed per day... At a rough cost of $6.50 to them ( I calculated the price wrong last time, lol )
Yeah... That still sounds shitty
The value of the higher speed evaporates when you're paying for a higher speed cap and effectively evens out when you hit the UBB rates
mjemirzian
Banned
This anti-ubb thing is good and all, but I'd like to see more attention focused on getting Bell/Rogers themselves to lighten up, not just allow Teksavvy to continue to offer their own rates.