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Usage Based Billing approved, Canadian govt shoots it down, more developments to come

Sinatar said:
Telus's bullshit counterpart is "Optik". Ugh.
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So did they just have a meeting to decide how they are going to split the term "Fiber Optic" between them?

Edit: I also like how neither of them are actually real words.
 
mjemirzian said:
This anti-ubb thing is good and all, but I'd like to see more attention focused on getting Bell/Rogers themselves to lighten up, not just allow Teksavvy to continue to offer their own rates.
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Our first order of business should be to disband the CRTC. They're basically just old industry execs keeping competition away from their buddies.

Next, we have to rebuild infrastructure, ala, Australia. And never give it away, only allowing companies to 'lease' the lines. Once the telecoms own the network, like now, it's tough to stop them.

Likewise, our cellular network is a joke and a monopoly and should under-go a similar change.

This would all begin with ending the CRTC's reign of terror though.
 
enzo_gt said:
You guys mean bandwidth, not speed, right?
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You know, really, we should be calling it something other than 'bandwidth' since the actual band WIDTH is how much data you can get at once.


Maybe "bandlength"?
 
webrunner said:
You know, really, we should be calling it something other than 'bandwidth' since the actual band WIDTH is how much data you can get at once.


Maybe "bandlength"?
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Doesn't matter to me, none of this shit is offered in my area :/ Signed up for Fibe 25 before, they told us after we paid and whatnot that it wasn't offered in our area.

Maybe one day I'll get to have internet with speeds on par with much of the US and university networks. Ugh.
 
webrunner said:
You know, really, we should be calling it something other than 'bandwidth' since the actual band WIDTH is how much data you can get at once.


Maybe "bandlength"?
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If you turn your head 90 degrees length becomes width =D
 
WEGGLES said:
Not to turn this into poligaf but that's a wasted vote and how you give harper another minority government. :[
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Strategic voting is overrated. It's the system that is borked. Vote for who you feel best represents you.

By the way, The Star ran a decent piece, touching on UBB, cell phones, etc. I'm still not sure the media really gets how dangerous UBB is, but it's good to see some attention being paid.

http://www.moneyville.ca/article/931774--roseman-cellphone-abuse-sparks-web-billing-revolt?bn=1
 
mjemirzian said:
This anti-ubb thing is good and all, but I'd like to see more attention focused on getting Bell/Rogers themselves to lighten up, not just allow Teksavvy to continue to offer their own rates.
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If Bell is forced to do the reasonable thing and sell Teksavvy a pipe at a fair rate based on the quality of the pipe plus some markup, then Bell can do whatever the hell they want.

Bell can have their own usage-based billing and can charge grandmothers $50 a month to have 5GB worth of "blazing fast" email and web browsing, and charge them $2 a GB if they go over. Bell can entirely tell our 10% of the Internet to go fuck itself.

Because then Teksavvy can offer an alternative. They can offer quality-based Internet. All of us would flock to them as the service most suited to our needs. If that clogs Teksavvy's pipes, they can raise rates and buy some bigger pipes from Bell. If that's unsustainable, then that's our problem, not Bell's.
 
Lostconfused said:
So did they just have a meeting to decide how they are going to split the term "Fiber Optic" between them?

Edit: I also like how neither of them are actually real words.
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I've also heard that neither is actually fiber optic, in a way that Verizon FiOS for example is. For most locations, you still just get DSL, but you're paying for the fact that up to some point down the line your connection is going through fiber.
 
Lord Error said:
I've also heard that neither is actually fiber optic, in a way that Verizon FiOS for example is. For most locations, you still just get DSL, but you're paying for the fact that up to some point down the line your connection is going through fiber.
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Correct they are both misleading in that neither is a fibre optic connection. The last mile is still copper from what I remember reading. (I'd like to see an internet connection today that does not travel through fibre optic at some stage through the signal path)
 
ruby_onix said:
If Bell is forced to do the reasonable thing and sell Teksavvy a pipe at a fair rate based on the quality of the pipe plus some markup, then Bell can do whatever the hell they want.

Bell can have their own usage-based billing and can charge grandmothers $50 a month to have 5GB worth of "blazing fast" email and web browsing, and charge them $2 a GB if they go over. Bell can entirely tell our 10% of the Internet to go fuck itself.

Because then Teksavvy can offer an alternative. They can offer quality-based Internet. All of us would flock to them as the service most suited to our needs. If that clogs Teksavvy's pipes, they can raise rates and buy some bigger pipes from Bell. If that's unsustainable, then that's our problem, not Bell's.
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For that to happen though, we'd need to see the CRTC revisit yet another decision: their speed-matching policy, which lets Bell charge a premium to 3rd party ILECs like Teksavvy to offer similar speeds. I believe it's at 10%.

That's something that not enough people are talking about. I'm with Bell - and paying $70 a month! - because I'm, rightly wrongly, not satisfied by the 5 meg connection that I can get from Teksavvy.

Unless the CRTC make it so that ILECs can offer the same speed, Rogers and Bell will inevitably win the marketing game and continue to dominate the market.
 
I'm concerned that Tony Clement/government are just going to overturn CRTC 2011-44... They need to overturn 2010-255, 2010-802 and 2010-803 to kill it

This isn't about the one decision, its about ALL OF THEM

2011-44 overturn means 25% discount instead of 15%

Overturn them ALL
 
DopeyFish said:
I'm concerned that Tony Clement/government are just going to overturn CRTC 2011-44... They need to overturn 2010-255, 2010-802 and 2010-803 to kill it

This isn't about the one decision, its about ALL OF THEM

2011-44 overturn means 25% discount instead of 15%

Overturn them ALL
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On that CTV interview he made it pretty clear that he doesn't think too highly of Bell forcing their business model on other companies. That's the key phrase I think to the approach the government is taking.
 
I'll add another source:

Government source tells me PM and Industry Minister prepared to reverse CRTC decision on usage-based billing if regulator doesn't
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http://twitter.com/#!/althiaraj/status/32993144844845056
 
Sounds like we need a title change.

I'm so glad that this was overturned and in such a timely fashion - I thought that this would take months.
 
Pretty embarrassing for the CRTC though. They reverse it themselves and they look stupid, but if they don't the government will do it and they look stupid as well. Then again they always look stupid.
 
Zombie James said:
Holy shit, we did it?
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I'm not cracking open the Champaign until the terms are laid out in the open. Worst case scenario UBB exists but is heavily modified, perhaps a very steep discount off retail rates for wholesalers, or wholesalers are forced to match retail rates, but they keep the money themselves. Best case scenario, everything returns to the way it was pre-ubb, but this time with speed-matching awesome-sauce.
 
Whoa whoa whoa, did we actually do it, or will this just go against one of the bills Dopeyfish mentioned?

I don't want a "but there's a catch" situation going on here.
 
Whoa wait... the Conservative government actually doing something GOOD for citizens?! Wow... they must really feel the heat of the incoming elections!
 
TheExodu5 said:
Konrad von Finckenstein

Sounds like a comic book villain.
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Pure distilled asshole right there.
 
AtomicShroom said:
Whoa wait... the Conservative government actually doing something GOOD for citizens?! Wow... they must really feel the heat of the incoming elections!
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That or love their internet porn that much.
 
AtomicShroom said:
Whoa wait... the Conservative government actually doing something GOOD for citizens?! Wow... they must really feel the heat of the incoming elections!
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Just heading off the Liberals and NDP, to make sure there's no huge backlash for the coming elections. But thankfully SOMEONE did it.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Pretty embarrassing for the CRTC though. They reverse it themselves and they look stupid, but if they don't the government will do it and they look stupid as well. Then again they always look stupid.
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Don't think they're worried about looking stupid...
 
AtomicShroom said:
Whoa wait... the Conservative government actually doing something GOOD for citizens?! Wow... they must really feel the heat of the incoming elections!
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This is part of Stephen Harper's master plan to oust Finckenstein, make the CRTC his puppet and, with their support, set up a Fox News-style channel in Canada. Seriously: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-set-to-move-against-the-crtc/article1677632/

Still, I'm glad the CRTC is going to be slapped down, hard. It's richly deserved.
 
TheExodu5 said:
I really hope the CRTC becomes an issue come election time.
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For the first time in my voting career, I would actually vote and for the party that has the CRTC on its platform.
 
TheExodu5 said:
I really hope the CRTC becomes an issue come election time.
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We need to continue to push the issue. Infrastructure is horrific, outdated, and monopolized. We need to invest into better networks, that are not own by major telecoms (ala what Aussie-land is doing now). We need to either rethink, or have better regulations on our cell phone carries and networks as well. Along with this, we need to look into opening up to competition outside of Canada, so we can avoid these sort of 'legal' monopolies'.

edit: Vancouver Sun article is up. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ha...killing+unlimited+Internet/4214199/story.html
 
TheExodu5 said:
I really hope the CRTC becomes an issue come election time.
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I think it will, especially if we have an election in spring.

They only need 6 weeks notice, right? Spring could be very possible.
 
Well fuck, I'm still going to switch to Teksavvy Cable!

I hope this whole UBB CRTC thing opens more avenues for progress and whatnot for the rest of Canada

Better speeds, service and everything else. We need some goddamn progress.
 
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