What's with this pathetic tone? Is there any connection between Ghost Song and Vaati that I missed or are you just incredibly shitty for no reason?
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VaatiVidya and the Souls Community
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DoubleTake
Member
So what youre saying is you have no idea what you are talking about.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
So can that bible of an OP be boiled down to "mark your videos for spoilers and i don't like your voice"
He has a slick voice and showy presentation style, but I don't get the hate. I haven't watched all of his stuff, but I can understand that his goal is to uncover the lore, and if Namco Bandai had not wanted something shown or discussed, they should have said so. If they did, and he violated their trust, that is a different story, and I would not like that.
He does from time to time invite viewers to form their own opinions, in several videos OP. He is not quite as 'academic', as ENB, but I wouldn't ask him to be a clone. He has successfully carved out a niche for himself, and that is not an easy task.
I guess some people are not quite as modest and composed about their inside information as you OP, but it is not necessarily their burden to be, either.
He does from time to time invite viewers to form their own opinions, in several videos OP. He is not quite as 'academic', as ENB, but I wouldn't ask him to be a clone. He has successfully carved out a niche for himself, and that is not an easy task.
I guess some people are not quite as modest and composed about their inside information as you OP, but it is not necessarily their burden to be, either.
MajinSweet4
Member
Uh no. It was actually silly how close the two videos were. Even down to how fights were shot, and the use of characters emotes. It was pretty much undeniable that Vatti saw a a video from a lesser known person in the community and simply made his own version of it. Which again, would be fine if he credited the person and linked to their channel in his video, but he probably assumed it wouldn't blow up into a big deal. That's really not asking for much, and thankfully Vatti has recently been doing the right thing, but it's really disheartening to see people so blindly defend a guy that was clearly in the wrong.
Moon_frogger
Member
*watches video titled DARK SOULS 3 walkthrough*
*complains about spoilers*
Dafuq?!
Just don't watch it.
Also enb has a way more annoying voice. The way he gets all whispery and gravelly, like he's trying to gently fuck my eardrum or something grosses me out. The way he's constantly pausing and pretending to consider his words with little chuckles in between his sentences. I love his videos but dude annoys me sometimes.
*complains about spoilers*
Dafuq?!
Just don't watch it.
Also enb has a way more annoying voice. The way he gets all whispery and gravelly, like he's trying to gently fuck my eardrum or something grosses me out. The way he's constantly pausing and pretending to consider his words with little chuckles in between his sentences. I love his videos but dude annoys me sometimes.
Shuggananas
Banned
Because that's relevant
Reenacting the same scenes are going to have the same characters. Trying to claim some kind of ownership of something so effortless in a game you didnt even make is laughable.
Its possible, but most of it could easily be a coincidence. Its a in game clip of two players not some short film.
For all the hate and accusation I expected more than whatever that guys video was.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I've no horse in this race (no problem with Viagra or however you spell it at all). While I don't agree with everything he said, I kinda get the OP's points regarding spoilers and pre-release interpretations.
It's all well and good saying "don't watch the videos" but these facts are then disseminated by the community at large, so even if you didn't particularly want to know them, there is potential for being told them in passing or seeing them in a thread. Little can be done about that other than avoiding every thread ever, of course, but I can understand people not wanting that to even be an issue.
Having interpretations happen before the game releases can lead to, I dunno how to put it, things that might be more ambiguous 'solidifying' (?) before the community has had a chance to shoot the breeze. It doesn't negate other ideas coming along, but I think it would make it difficult for them to get as much attention.
I'm not crying for him to shut down or anything, by the way, I have no problem with the guy and quite enjoy his videos once I've finished. Just observations.
It's all well and good saying "don't watch the videos" but these facts are then disseminated by the community at large, so even if you didn't particularly want to know them, there is potential for being told them in passing or seeing them in a thread. Little can be done about that other than avoiding every thread ever, of course, but I can understand people not wanting that to even be an issue.
Having interpretations happen before the game releases can lead to, I dunno how to put it, things that might be more ambiguous 'solidifying' (?) before the community has had a chance to shoot the breeze. It doesn't negate other ideas coming along, but I think it would make it difficult for them to get as much attention.
I'm not crying for him to shut down or anything, by the way, I have no problem with the guy and quite enjoy his videos once I've finished. Just observations.
DoubleTake
Member
Im going to assume you read that other reply you have on this page because im not gonna type it all out. Whats laughable is you quite obviously not knowing what youre talking about. But still choose to try to dismiss something that is very real.
Have you seen the video in question? What about the very obvious plagiarism from Redgraves Paleblood Hunt? No its probably only coincidence.
I'll always prefer ENB's approach to Souls coverage over Vaati's more storyteller approach, that said I don't see the problem with it.
Sure a big part of Souls is discovery, but its not all of what the Souls games are and it would be a shame if the entire Souls community had to conform to that viewpoint. Vaati's videos fill a need and present Souls in a form that suits a large portion of the Souls community.
Vaati's videos shouldn't ruin the discovery for people, if discovery is important to you you are well within your right to ignore the videos he creates. Vaati releasing relatively quick or early lore discoveries doesn't prevent other people from taking their time and presenting their perspectives later, no one has the final conclusive perspective on anything and the community clearly has a need for both short and long term lore hunting.
And if your the problem is with pre-release coverage revealing secrets and information about the game before release at all than I think your issue should be with Namco Bandai more so than Vaati. It seems this preview event was intended to have people dig into the game and gleam as much information as they can. And once again its up to you to choose whether or not you want to engage with pre-release coverage like that, and I don't see a problem with others who might want to engage with it if they so choose.
Sure a big part of Souls is discovery, but its not all of what the Souls games are and it would be a shame if the entire Souls community had to conform to that viewpoint. Vaati's videos fill a need and present Souls in a form that suits a large portion of the Souls community.
Vaati's videos shouldn't ruin the discovery for people, if discovery is important to you you are well within your right to ignore the videos he creates. Vaati releasing relatively quick or early lore discoveries doesn't prevent other people from taking their time and presenting their perspectives later, no one has the final conclusive perspective on anything and the community clearly has a need for both short and long term lore hunting.
And if your the problem is with pre-release coverage revealing secrets and information about the game before release at all than I think your issue should be with Namco Bandai more so than Vaati. It seems this preview event was intended to have people dig into the game and gleam as much information as they can. And once again its up to you to choose whether or not you want to engage with pre-release coverage like that, and I don't see a problem with others who might want to engage with it if they so choose.
MajinSweet4
Member
That wouldn't just be a coincidence. It would be a coincidence, within a coincidence inside another coincidence. Which sure, could be possible. But considering that Vatti has since changed his behavior and has finally started crediting people it doesn't seem to be the case. And this wasn't the first time people were suspicious of him doing things like this either. It was just such a blatant example that everything came to a head. Honestly it's really frustrating that whenever stuff like this happens, anyone who speaks out is labeled a "hater" or whatever. Again, it isn't even like most people were saying Vatti shouldn't make videos like this. It's merely wanting him to acknowledge others hard work and giving credit where it's due.
Given the only complaints other than yours before my post were "I dislike his voice" I'm pretty happy discounting them and saying the consensus is opposed to the OP's point.
Even your point was just "I disliked how he handled the DS3 videos" which I assume meant...you also dislike that someone who makes videos about DS spoilers made a video about DS3 spoilers?
^Pretty much this....Vaati makes outstanding souls (lore) content...he may now and again overreach in his theories and made some mistakes in the past but he is in the top 3 when it comes to souls.
I dont know why people are complaining about his last Dark Souls 3 videos. It clearly states it that it will contain spoilers
This seems like a really weird thing to complain about. His fans should be capable of deciding for themselves whether to watch his videos or not.
I usually ignore all the item text in souls and so even when I do play souls 3 I'll probably miss 99% of the stuff he showed in his videos anyway. I really liked his DS3 preview videos, because I'm not really getting spoiled because its stuff I would never notice unless I watched a lore video anyway.
I usually ignore all the item text in souls and so even when I do play souls 3 I'll probably miss 99% of the stuff he showed in his videos anyway. I really liked his DS3 preview videos, because I'm not really getting spoiled because its stuff I would never notice unless I watched a lore video anyway.
Dont remember that bit. Yes, when you consider what would have be the same and what easily could be in a simple reenactment clip than the argument boils down to 'angles' or 'map' which is silly.
outunderthestars
Banned
This right here. You don't have to go out and consume every piece of media regarding something you like.
VV seems like he is pretty clear about what he does, and some people enjoy it. You don't get to be the arbiter of how other people should interact with a game that you like.
Also this.
Nightmare452
Member
Seems that way for the most part (and I did read the whole thing, and just watched part 1 of the video he mentioned, no idea why he didn't expect spoilers from a playthrough is beyond human understanding).
Words of a pretentious asshole snob, clearly
JumpCancel
Banned
It's nice to get some interpretations of souls game lore along with overall themes, but I prefer drawing my own conclusions as that's part of the games appeal to me.
Not subbed to him.
Not subbed to him.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
omg, I reading this shit in his voice with the pregnant pauses and all and its pissing me off
I like the topics he covers but hate his voice and the pretentious delivery. The entire approach to the subject matter is laughable. It's pitched as if he's making significant archaeological finds. But as an earlier poster said, that's a reflection of the Souls community. "These games are so important and great and the standard by which all fun must be judged."
Don't get me wrong, I had a blast with Bloodborne and intend to start Dark Souls sometime soon, but come on. It's a well-crafted amusing escapist diversion.
Don't get me wrong, I had a blast with Bloodborne and intend to start Dark Souls sometime soon, but come on. It's a well-crafted amusing escapist diversion.
Oooorrrr he's just a guy talking calmly and not screaming into the mic like a jackass?
I swear, what is wrong with some of you guys?
JumpCancel
Banned
I feel that people would prefer the more excited, passionate delivery than a scripted, forced narrative tone.
We're allowed to like different things. Will humanity ever learn the inherent problem with opinions?
No one is right.
No one has to like anything. No one asked you to like anything. Comprehension.
People are assigning all kinds of negative attributes to him -- Ad hominem attacks -- That he's pretentious, phony, etc, because of the way he speaks. He's always spoken the same way, since long before his channel was big or he had any views. It's just how he talks.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I ran into his Dark Souls 3 videos and I couldn't believe how much of the game Bandai Namco and From are willing to spoil. It's very disappointing and it's not Vaatividya's fault.
semiconscious
Gold Member
vaati, like all the other blood/souls 'experts', can be fun once you've actually played the games yourself. & i have no friggin' idea why anyone'd be watching any of these videos beforehand. i mean, is the waiting actually all that unbearable/excruciating? 
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...JetSetRadio
Banned
You'd have to pay me a LOT to let someone spoil my DS3 experience.
I think I know the video you're talking about. I started watching it but shut it off pretty quickly because I want to go in fresh. I made the same damn mistake reading the wrong Game of Thrones wiki.
I've been retro-actively going through all of Vaati's DS1 and II stuff and I think it's awesome for players like me who don't put the effort into reading all the item descriptions or keeping a close track on what npcs are saying/doing. It adds a layer of depth to the experience. Also adds a level of accessibility. I might be more inclined to pay attention to Souls lore now that I have some point of reference.
Pretty much. Your problem is a bit silly.
Sword Of Doom
Member
You seem to be taking it more seriously than anyone.
I like Souls games and I understand that many fan of the series go out of their way to avoid spoilers when a new game is coming out, but I don't see the problem with what Vaati Vidya did in his DS3 videos.
You don't want DS3 spoilers? Don't watch DS3 videos before you play it! It can't be much simpler than that. To me is just common sense.
You don't want DS3 spoilers? Don't watch DS3 videos before you play it! It can't be much simpler than that. To me is just common sense.
Fantastic.
I agree with you, but I also think that a great part of the appeal is discussing it with other players and reading/watching all the different interpretations. There's always some detail that you've missed, and even if you still disagree with the other person's conclusion, that detail might change your own.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
This!
JumpCancel
Banned
You were asking what was wrong with people for assigning adjectives to his tone of voice or making these personal attacks.
Just because he's always spoken with said inflection and tone doesn't invalidate people's opinions. Aside from the subject matter of his videos he also plays a part being the voice within the videos. If you don't like his delivery, you wont get much out of the videos he produces.
So the "ad-hominem" attacks as you put it are nothing of the sort, as he himself is part of the content he creates.
Lanrutcon
Member
And done, really.
You seem like a nice guy. But this posts, I don't know. You sort of need a slap in the face to be honest.
How do I distill your argument? "Vaati shouldn't spoil?" "He's spoiling on purpose?" "He is a part of the press, not of the community, therefore he should not spoil?" Honestly, I don't know.
Everyone has opinions, and everyone should have them, but if your opinion is 'vaati should not spoil' and vaati warns folks of spoilers in his videos, then does that not mean your opinion is invalid?
And why I quoted you: i sure as fuck don't play the Souls games for the Lore. It's a presumption you made, and I'm not sure what the statistics are, but i would really like to know the percentage of people actively looking for the story, instead of finishing and completing the challenge that is a Souls game. Fuck, I'm mildly interested in the lore, but I don't even watch the videos.
Continuing this 'lore' argument; It's not even a story. When you talk about "Lore", you are still interpreting, and therefore you, or Vaati, can still be wrong. Also, you presume that Vaati is right when he is spoiling.
So to get back to your opinion, which was a bit convuloted in the length of your post, here is my friendly bitch slap to your face, and please just stop caring about Vaati spoiling FANS OF DARK SOULS LORE VIDEOS.
Spikematic
Member
Reading the comments of the first video where he showed his face was hilarious. Boners everywhere!
Anyway, I disagree with everything you said OP. Just because he creates content you don't like/agree with doesn't mean he's doing the entire game a disservice. It's fairly obvious which videos are going to be spoilery so people can simply choose to skip them if they want. Dare I say your complaints actually sound whiney and entitled to me.
Anyway, I disagree with everything you said OP. Just because he creates content you don't like/agree with doesn't mean he's doing the entire game a disservice. It's fairly obvious which videos are going to be spoilery so people can simply choose to skip them if they want. Dare I say your complaints actually sound whiney and entitled to me.
John Rabbit
Banned
don't watch the videos. this isn't rocket science.