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[Orochinagis]

I stopped watching him after he got nothing to show in Dark Souls 1 and started to derail even the simple lore the game had, he got his gold mine in Dark Souls 2 anyway

The gamestop shill thing is also a bit ridiculous, you guys act like this is the worst thing ever. I mean should I call ENB a Namco Bandai shill because he helped make the strategy guide for Bloodborne? No, I shouldn't because it's immature as hell.

The thing is ENB knew stuff about the game yet they actually showed those facts when he was playing the game as episodes and not as "Lore Explained" "Ending explained" and he got his ideas as thoughts instead

For the people who don't understand the fan-fiction claims...

It's not what Vaati says, it's how he says it. He's been a catalyst for some of the community's belief that Souls lore is a "Choose Your Own Adventure" when in fact there is a right and wrong answer. His influence over the community has promoted ridiculous lore ideas just being taken as fact. Because when he takes giant assumptions, he says them like fact.

Yeah, I kinda dislike how everything he says is the fact know

 

[JackelZXA]

Most of his Dark Souls 1 videos are pretty good though, imo. It's when he had to start making videos the moment the game was out instead of letting the community breathe, take the lore in and discuss it thoroughly that the problems really started to pop.

I do enjoy his video productions and much of the insight they deliver is useful. I don't dislike him, even though I feel his videos tend to favor romanticism even when not appropriate, and some of his conclusions are to feed into that idealism, rather than the story of the game itself, but that's more my critical nature combined with a bluntness of wording on my part. My real criticism is that focusing on storytelling over lore research puts more of a focus on himself, rather than the game.

Most of my ire comes more from people who blindly defend videos and popular theories without consideration. DCL is a nice guy, but many of his lore videos seemed opportunistic and hurried at the time, yet even today people still blab on about how "Rotten is obviously Pharros" and hold those videos as fact, even after we have a source for the poison statues that point towards Shulva, among other "missed", expanded, or retconned details. (I don't want to make this my personal lore thread or whatever) It's just frustrating dealing with much of the community.

The plagiarism accusations are something I'm only recently aware of, and gosh, what a kick that is!

 

[ramyeon]

The only thing I disagree with is because the chalice dungeons are supposed to be completely separate from the main plot.

Huh? Are you sure? I haven't even touched them yet personally but I know ENB has said several times in his play through videos that the Chalice Dungeons have some really important lore stuff in them.

 

[Foffy]

First time hearing about the plagiarism thing. Reading the first bit of "The Pale Blood Hunt" and it's almost word for word Vaati's Bloodborne lore video. Which came first and by how much?

The Paleblood Hunt came first, Vaati read some of it - I believe he said a third of it - and claimed everything in his lore video that uses the exact same wording is a coincidence. He claimed his use of the same H.P. Lovecraft quote came from him using the most popular one found with a Google search. Of course, this does him no favors for that quote is in the dissertation as early as fucking page 4, which of course he saw.

No idea why he tries to spin it. Is it because he was called out publicly? Even his response was made on a website I've never heard of and something he never publicly acknowledged as a response on social media, perhaps to save face and not have even more people upset at him for being a thief and plagiarist.

 

[Gbraga]

Huh? Are you sure? I haven't even touched them yet personally but I know ENB has said several times in his play through videos that the Chalice Dungeons have some really important lore stuff in them.

I assumed he meant as in information about the world, not the events that you witness there.

 

[Iva Demilcol]

Woah!

I didn't know about the plagiarize issue. It's really sad that all the effort he puts into producing his lore videos does not go towards the core of it, I mean, he clearly knows how to produce videos with great quality except that he fails to acknowledge he takes things from less known people and presents them as if they are his own creation. That's pretty scummy.

I don't usually agree with the content of his videos since he likes to push ideas that cannot be supported by in-game sources and he presents them as part of the lore, which is unfortunate. That's even worse now since we cannot even know if those ideas are his to begin with.

His lore videos are so lame at times when you analyze them. At one point he said "I'm more interested in telling stories than data mining" or something dismissive like that.

His OIK video was pretty lame, and his link of Sir Alonne to smelter demon makes zero sense and shows an ignorance of the actual lore. (If you check out the weapons and souls you can see that Blue Smelter Demon was constructed by OIK, and the red one is one of many that live under the keep. And then after Ichorus Earth births itself within OIK's body he turns into a big naked smelter demon....but no its sir alone because isn't that emotional??? Heart strings I tug at thee!)

And his first big claim to fame, the Solaire video, has been dismissed like crazy with recent lore finds. The final nail in that coffin is that people re-assembled the statue of Gwyn's firstborn and found that it wields Ornstien's Spear and dresses like Gwyn. Turns out is Solaire is just a dude with a tragic story, and not a fallen god of war.

The Dark Souls lore community is kind of a mess. People emphatically defend youtubers more for having convincing SOUNDING arguments more than doing any lore considerations themselves. You can have all the item descriptions in the game sorted and collated, specific data points, and even analysis of sentence structures as proof that the item is saying one thing rather than another, and people will write you off for going against "common knowledge". I've been flat out told that I wasn't popular enough for my explanations of the story to be "valid". Fucking what? It's such a shit show. It's fucking infuriating to interact with unless you're doing the youtube shit.

I have an anecdote about that xD: Some time ago in a thread about plot holes in videogames I had a discussion with another user to the point I had to search for item descriptions, posted them and finally gave my conclusions based on them, after all that though he/she simply wrote a link to one of ENB's lore videos as an answer, telling me that was how the story should be interpreted. I had not only watched that video previously, but all I wrote was pretty much the same thing that video explained, but somehow my interpretation was bad and the video was the right thing...

If there's something good about this thread is that now I have less time to waste watching a youtuber, time that I can actually use for playing.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Huh? Are you sure? I haven't even touched them yet personally but I know ENB has said several times in his play through videos that the Chalice Dungeons have some really important lore stuff in them.

Well it's just the inclusion of bosses who're also in the story that makes them seem like a separate thing, plus the fact that Miyazaki didn't work on them apparently. Been awhile since I played the game but I remember hating them.

 

[shadowfall]

Why does this deserve its own thread? I'm a huge fan of BlB, DeS and DaS1, but...didn't we ban threads about e-celebs?

Also, it's pretty clear that the dude is a plagiaristic hack, why should we give him views?

I said the same about Angry Joe threads but lots of people felt otherwise. I like VaatiVidya. Nice voice though.

 

[JackelZXA]

Woah!

I have an anecdote about that xD: Some time ago in a thread about plot holes in videogames I had a discussion with another user to the point I had to search for item descriptions, posted them and finally gave my conclusions based on them, after all that though he/she simply wrote a link to one of ENB's lore videos as an answer, telling me that was how the story should be interpreted. I hadn't just watched that video previously, but all I wrote was pretty much the same thing that video explained, but somehow my interpretation was bad and the video was the right thing...

If there's something good about this thread is that now I have less time to waste watching a youtuber, time than I can actually use for playing.

This cheered me up greatly. Thank you for sharing. Hahaha. Jeeez. That is...so sheepy. I know that term gets overused, but it is SO appropriate in this case. Unbelievable.


I do play with the idea of doing a video series. I see the game as having 5 general stories, and I would like to sometime do something that isn't just a post on a forum sometime that I could just point someone to instead of having a prolonged argument with them on. I feel like I have some solid things to say, but I don't know if people are interested in listening to anything on that game anymore.

But yeah, that's awesome. I can't believe that. Wow.

 

[Orochinagis]

Huh? Are you sure? I haven't even touched them yet personally but I know ENB has said several times in his play through videos that the Chalice Dungeons have some really important lore stuff in them.

Chalices are separated from the game yet have some bits of lore since the chalices are in the same world as Yharman for example Isz chaliche is where the church found

Spoiler

ebrietas

.

Still Chalices are not really tied to the main game at all and dont add consecuences if you dont do them or do them all aside of bits of lore.

I have an anecdote about that xD: Some time ago in a thread about plot holes in videogames I had a discussion with another user to the point I had to search for item descriptions, posted them and finally gave my conclusions based on them, after all that though he/she simply wrote a link to one of ENB's lore videos as an answer, telling me that was how the story should be interpreted. I hadn't just watched that video previously, but all I wrote was pretty much the same thing that video explained, but somehow my interpretation was bad and the video was the right thing...

If there's something good about this thread is that now I have less time to waste watching a youtuber, time than I can actually use for playing.

Thats the problem with some people, they just simply put the link instead of forming hish/her own ideas about the lore

 

[KittenMaster]

I think the best way to learn about the Lore is to actually discuss it with others and argue about it as an exchange of dialogue and ideas. YouTube videos (and even stuff like the Paleblood Hunt) tend to be dead end references that you can't argue against because they often get treated as a definitive source that needs no updating.

 

[ramyeon]

Chalices are separated from the game yet have some bits of lore since the chalices are in the same world as Yharman for example Isz chaliche is where the church found

Spoiler

ebrietas

.

Still Chalices are not really tied to the main game at all and dont add consecuences if you dont do them or do them all aside of bits of lore.

Yeah I understand that they don't affect the main story in the game but if we're going to accept the lore found in them as part of cannon then we can't dismiss the bosses in there.

 

[KittenMaster]

The only thing that makes no sense about the Chalices is

Spoiler

how you can find Rom hanging out in Pthumeru 3.

 

[Crossing Eden]

The only thing that makes no sense about the Chalices is

Spoiler

how you can find Rom hanging out in Pthumeru 3.

Coincidentally that's when I stopped and just hung out in the pvp dungeon.

 

[Orochinagis]

The only thing that makes no sense about the Chalices is

Spoiler

how you can find Rom hanging out in Pthumeru 3.

You will find more campaign bosses down there....

 

[Neiteio]

The only thing that makes no sense about the Chalices is

Spoiler

how you can find Rom hanging out in Pthumeru 3.

I actually think there was a theory for this in the essay in this thread.

 

[Neiteio]

Well it's just the inclusion of bosses who're also in the story that makes them seem like a separate thing, plus the fact that Miyazaki didn't work on them apparently. Been awhile since I played the game but I remember hating them.

Chalice dungeons are absolutely tied to the main plot. They're the labyrinth in which the Healing Church discovered the Old Blood. You even find Queen Yharnam down there.

 

[Orochinagis]

I actually think there was a theory for this in the essay in this thread.

You missed the party in page two.

 

[KittenMaster]

You will find more campaign bosses down there....

The other ones I can think of either give you chalices as a reward for beating them in the story (and are optional), or are lored as a non-specific entity, or one is exclusive to chalices entirely.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Chalice dungeons are absolutely tied to the main plot. They're the labyrinth in which the Healing Church discovered the Old Blood. You even find Queen Yharnam down there.

So does that mean we're revisiting the past in the chalice dungeons? Because the eldritch truth discovery was supposed to be ages ago.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Ugh, this guy is the worst.

 

[Orochinagis]

So does that mean we're revisiting the past in the chalice dungeons? Because the eldritch truth discovery was supposed to be ages ago.

More like challenges mode with lore. outside the ones required for the tophy which are tied to the last part of the game and shows you Yharman connection with the chalices.

You are basically Indiana Jones in Bloodborne

 

[Neiteio]

You missed the party in page two.

Already brought up? Apologies if I overlooked.

So does that mean we're revisiting the past in the chalice dungeons? Because the eldritch truth discovery was supposed to be ages ago.

No, it's in the present. There's nothing in the chalice dungeons that contradicts the main game. In fact, there's support: Queen Yharnam is bound in an attempt to contain the source of the forbidden blood; the Madman is Ludwig; the Blood-letting Beast is Laurence. Gods who appear in the main campaign but also appear in the chalice dungeons are theorized to be the same entity but making duplicates of themselves (like Mergo's Wet Nurse in the final battle, and arguably the Amygdala(e) if you see them as one and the same). Ebrietas was retrieved but could also make itself manifest elsewhere.

 

[KittenMaster]

the Blood-letting Beast is Laurence.

Do you have any sort of proof of this?

 

[abstract alien]

I'll have to check this out. The ones he did for Dark Souls 1 were nothing short of God's work.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Besides the plagiarism, fan fiction being claimed as lore and the shilling for GameStop, he also pushed Dark Souls 2's characters lore as the best stories in the franchise until bloodborne came out at which time he turned on DS2 saying how he'd always been disappointed.

He's a hack.

Yup, I remember this.

Shame.

 

[Neiteio]

Do you have any sort of proof of this?

Here's what Redgrave said in the long essay from the other thread:

Let us now take a look at what lies directly above Queen Yharnam's chamber: the corpse of a Bloodletting Beast that appears to have been cleaved almost entirely in half. The corpse is headless, its neck a bloody stump, and only moves because an enormous centipede-like creature lives inside of the dead body and controls it like a puppet. This is not the first time we have encountered the remains of a beast that has been cleaved almost in half. In the Grand Cathedral, the centerpiece of the sacred altar of worship for the Healing Church is a Beast's skull, with a large cleave running down one side and almost cutting it in half. The skull is a perfect fit for the headless corpse. To quote Miyazaki: “[The] skull served as the start of the Healing Church itself, but it’s taken the form of a twisted beast.” As Master Willem warned Laurence: “Fear the Old Blood.” Laurence, founder of the Healing Church and purveyor of Communion. It would appear Laurence found the evolution he craved. Laurence fell to the Old Blood and was twisted into the Bloodletting Beast, whose corpse wanders Ihyll. From this we can conclude one thing: The Healing Church was in Pthumeru Ihyll. They very likely encountered Queen Yharnam. Perhaps they feared her mastery over blood or feared her connection to the Great Ones. Perhaps there was something about her blood that was especially tainted and wrong, possibly as a result of her being impregnated by a Great One. It is likely that the Church restrained and sealed her away, marking the Pthumerian Blood as being forbidden.

That's just an excerpt. There are earlier passages that build the Laurence connection.

 

[Crossing Eden]

More like challenges mode with lore. outside the ones required for the tophy which are tied to the last part of the game and shows you Yharman connection with the chalices.

You are basically Indiana Jones in Bloodborne

Honestly would've preferred a bigger campagin mode that includes these things. Especially the part about the queen.

Already brought up? Apologies if I overlooked.


No, it's in the present. There's nothing in the chalice dungeons that contradicts the main game. In fact, there's support: Queen Yharnam is bound in an attempt to contain the source of the forbidden blood; the Madman is Ludwig; the Blood-letting Beast is Laurence. Gods who appear in the main campaign but also appear in the chalice dungeons are theorized to be the same entity but making duplicates of themselves (like Mergo's Wet Nurse in the final battle, and arguably the Amygdala(e) if you see them as one and the same). Ebrietas was retrieved but could also make itself manifest elsewhere.

Hmm, there is no evidence to support great ones cloning themselves aside from the wet nurse, that seems to be it's unique ability kinda like how Amydalas can shoot a specific laser. Probably a case of "shit we can't make anymore boss enemies, just reuse the one in the campaign." instead of a lore reason behind it.

 

[Orochinagis]

I think I remember the skull on Amelia altar is actually Laurence's , some people speculated the one in the chalice talking you is him but yeah clearly a contradiction there.

Hmm, there is no evidence to support great ones cloning themselves aside from the wet nurse, that seems to be it's unique ability kinda like how Amydalas can shoot a specific laser. Probably a case of "shit we can't make anymore boss enemies, just reuse the one in the campaign." instead of a lore reason behind it.

Probably that was the idea behind seeing them there, I saw them as a bonus end boss chalice, overthinking that so much and we would become Vaati.

 

[BIGWORM]

Dude's got one of those autonomous sensory meridian response voices...

 

[KittenMaster]

I think I remember the skull on Amelia altar is actually Laurence's

Yeah, which is why I asked. Looks like it's more likely the corpse you see in Old Yharnam may be Laurence rather than the boss fight in the chalices.

 

[Neiteio]

Honestly would've preferred a bigger campagin mode that includes these things. Especially the part about the queen.


Hmm, there is no evidence to support great ones cloning themselves aside from the wet nurse, that seems to be it's unique ability kinda like how Amydalas can shoot a specific laser. Probably a case of "shit we can't make anymore boss enemies, just reuse the one in the campaign." instead of a lore reason behind it.

I'm sure that's the gameplay reason. (Copy/pasting bosses)

Lore-wise, I'd have to dig through the 89-page document, but Redgrave had interesting ideas why all of the Amygdala you see in the game are in fact one and the same. It led him to theorize that perhaps other Great Ones/Ascended Ones could exist in multiple places at once. Not cloning themselves, per say. Just... being in many places at once.

It would certainly reconcile any overlap in the chalice dungeons vs. the events of the main story. There's certainly enough unique clues in the chalice dungeons to support the notion they're relevant to the main story.

But I agree it would've been preferable to have those exclusive bosses in the main campaign.

 

[Neiteio]

Yeah, which is why I asked. Looks like it's more likely the corpse you see in Old Yharnam may be Laurence rather than the boss fight in the chalices.

No, please read the passage I quoted. We're not talking about the Blood-letting Beast you fight. We're talking about the headless one you find in the chamber above Queen Yharnam. It's cleaved in the same fashion as the skull. And it's missing its head.

 

[Orochinagis]

Yeah, which is why I asked. Looks like it's more likely the corpse you see in Old Yharnam may be Laurence rather than the boss fight in the chalices.

I was expecting more cutscenes about laurence but yeah, its a soul game

 

[Neiteio]

I was expecting more cutscenes about laurence but yeah, its a soul game

Laurence was the headless corpse you find above Queen Yharnam. The blood-letting beast without a head, cleaved down the middle. Hence the cleaved skull in the Grand Cathedral.

 

[KittenMaster]

Well, okay. I just remembered that the beast in Old Yharnam is a blood starved beast, so I guess that makes sense.

 

[Orochinagis]

Laurence was the headless corpse you find above Queen Yharnam. The blood-letting beast without a head, cleaved down the middle. Hence the cleaved skull in the Grand Cathedral.

it was not really stated its him but I agree some realized it would be him due that feature on that boss variant.

Spoiler

That worm really freaks me out

 

[Neiteio]

Well, okay. I just remembered that the beast in Old Yharnam is a blood starved beast, so I guess that makes sense.

I mean, nothing's for certain. It just seems very likely the headless body cleaved down the middle goes with the severed head with a cleave down the middle. It just seems too deliberate for there not to be a connection.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I'm sure that's the gameplay reason. (Copy/pasting bosses)

Lore-wise, I'd have to dig through the 89-page document, but Redgrave had interesting ideas why all of the Amygdala you see in the game are in fact one and the same. It led him to theorize that perhaps other Great Ones/Ascended Ones could exist in multiple places at once. Not cloning themselves, per say. Just... being in many places at once.

It would certainly reconcile any overlap in the chalice dungeons vs. the events of the main story. There's certainly enough unique clues in the chalice dungeons to support the notion they're relevant to the main story.

But I agree it would've been preferable to have those exclusive bosses in the main campaign.

Do all of them teleport you if you have that one stone? Because that would be evidence that they're the same. But, Amydala looks slightly different than the ones you find in the world.

 

[Orochinagis]

I mean, nothing's for certain. It just seems very likely the headless body cleaved down the middle goes with the severed head with a cleave down the middle. It just seems too deliberate for there not to be a connection.

And thats why I love souls games with those open questions, there is not a definitive answer and let the comunity do theories on their own.

 

[Neiteio]

Do all of them teleport you if you have that one stone? Because that would be evidence that they're the same. But, Amydala looks slightly different than the ones you find in the world.

I doubt the others would teleport you. I'm not sure that means they're different, though. But yeah, at the end of the day, your theory is as good as mine. I just think there's more to suggest the chalice dungeons share the world and continuity of the main campaign.

 

[KittenMaster]

I mean, nothing's for certain. It just seems very likely the headless body cleaved down the middle goes with the severed head with a cleave down the middle. It just seems too deliberate for there not to be a connection.

The question would be 'why' Laurence is there if nothing else in the game contradicts it.

I apologize for my aggressive skepticism, I was just hoping to see a personal explanation of what was in game rather than "this is what Redgrave said", and it comes right after a very shaky Madman theory being stated as fact.

Also, Amagdala and Elberitas are pretty easy to explain. The Amagdala you fight in the story is in a nightmare (fake edit: as is Queen Yharnam you see in story), which by default gives its Chalice appearance some science, and the Isz Chalice was used to contact Elbrietas.

 

[Wensih]

I wouldn't support VaatiVidya with clicks. I'd recommend anyone interested in Bloodborne's story and lore to read this instead.

Thank you! When I finally get a ps4 and bloodeborne, I will be reading this.

 

[Neiteio]

The question would be 'why' Laurence is there if nothing else in the game contradicts it.

I apologize for my aggressive skepticism, I was just hoping to see a personal explanation of what was in game rather than "this is what Redgrave said", and it comes right after a very shaky Madman theory being stated as fact.

Also, Amagdala and Elberitas are pretty easy to explain. The Amagdala you fight in the story is in a nightmare (fake edit: as is Queen Yharnam you see in story), which by default gives its Chalice appearance some science, and the Isz Chalice was used to contact Elbrietas.

You didn't come off aggressive or anything. It's all good.

I agree with Redgrave's reasoning. Laurence was told to fear the old blood. We know from Miyazaki that Laurence turned at some point. Perhaps he went back to the labyrinth in some desperate attempt to save himself. But like I said, there's a headless blood-letting beast with a cleave down the middle. Elsewhere in the game, in the Grand Cathedral, there's the severed head of such a beast, split open, confirmed by Miyazaki to be by Laurence.

Just seems like a reasonable case of 1 + 1 = 2.

 

[Orochinagis]

The question would be 'why' Laurence is there if nothing else in the game contradicts it.

I apologize for my aggressive skepticism, I was just hoping to see a personal explanation of what was in game rather than "this is what Redgrave said", and it comes right after a very shaky Madman theory being stated as fact.

Also, Amagdala and Elberitas are pretty easy to explain. The Amagdala you fight in the story is in a nightmare (fake edit: as is Queen Yharnam you see in story), which by default gives its Chalice appearance some science, and the Isz Chalice was used to contact Elbrietas.

There is not real answer to those questions just theories so far and I doubt it will be answered in the future maybe some via DLC. Outside the skull being as a fact to be Laurence there are not other clues to follow

There are several Amygdalas in Yharman, so it makes sense to see one there, the one in the frontier is special because Patches thought it was the true god yet it dies and he went to look for another deidity to pray (A suble mockery of religion, a constant gag in Souls games).

And yes Ebrietas in that chalice was just a connection telling you she was found there yet Ebrietas shouldnt be there in the present time.

I agree with Redgrave's reasoning. Laurence was told to fear the old blood. We know from Miyazaki that Laurence turned at some point. Perhaps he went back to the labyrinth in some desperate attempt to save himself. But like I said, there's a headless blood-letting beast with a cleave down the middle. Elsewhere in the game, in the Grand Cathedral, there's the severed head of such a beast, split open, confirmed by Miyazaki to be by Laurence.

Just seems like a reasonable case of 1 + 1 = 2.

The same can be said about the Ancient Dragon in Dark Souls 2 theory where it was stated the dragon was actually being Aldia fused with magic, I even believe it was him all along yet it was debunked later on (or probably retconnet) it wasnt him.

 

[Neiteio]

I can see we're not all seeing eye to eye on our interpretation of the chalice dungeons, but that's fine. I think it's clear they're part of the main story, right down to the fact you access them from the Hunter's Dream.

At any rate, I do wonder what the DLC might explore.

 

[KittenMaster]

Laurence was told to fear the old blood. We know from Miyazaki that Laurence turned at some point. Perhaps he went back to the labyrinth in some desperate attempt to save himself. But like I said, there's a headless blood-letting beast with a cleave down the middle. Elsewhere in the game, in the Grand Cathedral, there's the severed head of such a beast, split open, confirmed by Miyazaki to be by Laurence.

The fear the old blood message was about the path the Healing Church was going down. Vicar Amelia's prayer completely contradicts the warning Williem was trying to give which implies that Laurence or his followers disregarded the dangers of the blood.

 

[Neiteio]

The fear the old blood message was about the path the Healing Church was going down. Vicar Amelia's prayer completely contradicts the warning Williem was trying to give which implies that Laurence or his followers disregarded the dangers of the blood.

Well, yeah. That's my point. Eventually it caught up with Laurence and he turned into a beast himself. He presumably wound up in the Labyrinth because he was trying to undo what he had done.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I can see we're not all seeing eye to eye on our interpretation of the chalice dungeons, but that's fine. I think it's clear they're part of the main story, right down to the fact you access them from the Hunter's Dream.

At any rate, I do wonder what the DLC might explore.

My assumption is that the dlc will be about dolls. Creepy as hell dolls.

 

[Neiteio]

My assumption is that the dlc will be about dolls. Creepy as hell dolls.

This is random, but what if the DLC connected to the plot of Demon's Souls somehow. :-O