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[RMS Gigantic]

Wow, Valve went and implemented reactive, rather than proactive/preventative, quality assurance.

Given that most of the issues you can report a product for here are things that only become apparent once you've played the game, this strikes me as being comparable to implementing a flagging/reporting system in a comment section where you have to pay to view each individual comment.

Well, at least you can get a refund from Valve if you don't like the... wait....

Spoiler

Yeah, I'm jaded towards Valve, to say the least.

 

[HellBlazer]

So wait, you guys are saying Valve is going to implement self-publishing for just anyone? Won't that turn Steam into XBLIG? :/ I'm all for more opportunities for indies but I also don't want Steam to become flooded with 95% crap.

 

[vxXJordanXxv]

I wonder how many categories this game could get reported for besides being disgustingly awful.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Wow, Valve went and implemented reactive, rather than proactive/preventative, quality assurance.

Given that most of the issues you can report a product for here are things that only become apparent once you've played the game, this strikes me as being comparable to implementing a flagging/reporting system in a comment section where you have to pay to view each individual comment.

Well, at least you can get a refund from Valve if you don't like the... wait....

Spoiler

Yeah, I'm jaded towards Valve, to say the least.

they have no quality control to begin with the games they allowed on steam before
there's so much crap being released daily I've given up on trying to sift through it

 

[mollipen]

No but seriously though, I don't wanna see anything close to nudes when we're dealing with like 12 year olds. I'm not sure if they're full nudes in the game though because, why the hell would I play through that? Doesn't seem like it though due to the ESRB rating. Didn't expect it from a game that takes you on a "tour around Japan."

Knowing nothing about the game, I just did about five minutes of google searching. There seems to be two female main characters in this game, and the one with the bigger chest—thus the girl in the screenshot that was linked to—would be Makoto.

Her profile:

Bright and sweet, she is the epitome of the ”good girl.”
She studies English literature in college, and therefore can speak English quite well.
Unfortunately, her cooking is awful. They say one bite of her food can induce unconsciousness.
She seems to enjoy smoothing the constantly-ruffled feathers of her outspoken little sister, Akira.

So, 12 years olds go to college in this game? Or are you referencing the sister Misaki, and a scene that isn't the one you were describing before?

Could also be possible that the company doing the English localization made the characters older than they were originally supposed to be, but really, Makoto looks nowhere near 12.

 

[Data West]

I'm sure if this is regulated as well as Early Access it'll go GREAT.

 

[RMS Gigantic]

they have no quality control to begin with the games they allowed on steam before
there's so much crap being released daily I've given up on trying to sift through it

Pretty much part of the point I was making.

It baffles me how Valve has less quality assurance in place for Steam than EA does for Origin, and Origin lets you get refunds (albeit under certain time conditions, and which don't apply to DLC) without being mandated by law whereas Steam ONLY allows refunds if law absolutely demands it, but Valve still somehow gets labeled as the pro-consumer 'good guys' while EA gets painted as 'villains' who care more for money than customer happiness. Really, it seems like it would be more fitting the other way around.

 

[Ogimachi]

I'd begin with the "Dota 2" name.

 

[213372bu]

Knowing nothing about the game, I just did about five minutes of google searching. There seems to be two female main characters in this game, and the one with the bigger chest—thus the girl in the screenshot that was linked to—would be Makoto.

Her profile:



So, 12 years olds go to college in this game?

I was referring the other girl and I've been told something similar happens by one of my friends on Steam. Considering that why do I have this in a game about touring Japan?

Also, I'm 100% sure that the other sister is 12-ish because the game decided to take half an hour explaining that she's mad that she hadn't started going through development yet and that she's jealous of her sister. Like, seriously what the hell.

 

[K.Jack]

Snitches get glitches

 

[ArjanN]

Pretty much part of the point I was making.

It baffles me how Valve has less quality assurance in place for Steam than EA does for Origin, and Origin lets you get refunds (albeit under certain time conditions, and which don't apply to DLC) without being mandated by law whereas Steam ONLY allows refunds if law absolutely demands it, but Valve still somehow gets labeled as the pro-consumer 'good guys' while EA gets painted as 'villains' who care more for money than customer happiness. Really, it seems like it would be more fitting the other way around.

Maybe if you ignored everything else about these companies.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Pretty much part of the point I was making.

It baffles me how Valve has less quality assurance in place for Steam than EA does for Origin, and Origin lets you get refunds (albeit under certain time conditions, and which don't apply to DLC) without being mandated by law whereas Steam ONLY allows refunds if law absolutely demands it, but Valve still somehow gets labeled as the pro-consumer 'good guys' while EA gets painted as 'villains' who care more for money than customer happiness. Really, it seems like it would be more fitting the other way around.

not even close

valve are the ones with mod support built directly into their client (if you say the word mod support 3x in the presence of an EA ceo he burst into into a cloud of pestilence and it starts to rain cockroaches) , with community reviews and comments showing on the very same page where you go to buy the game

their games have the most benign and pro consumer f2p model (the are the ONLY ones with a benign f2p model), compare that to EA's models...

just googling ea astroturfing gives you page after page of results, do the same for valve and theres 0 about them

I'm not defending valve on this (I'll be the first to shit on them for anything I don't like) but EA are evil incarnated

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I was referring the other girl and I've been told something similar happens by one of my friends on Steam. Considering that why do I have this in a game about touring Japan?

Also, I'm 100% sure that the other sister is 12-ish because the game decided to take half an hour explaining that she's mad that she hadn't started going through development yet and that she's jealous of her sister. Like, seriously what the hell.

She is not 12, dude. Also, there is no translation because it was made for English speakers, so there is no localization that is BS their age.

 

[Tenumi]

No, it just contains fan service.

It's this scene that he's talking about above: http://yuq.me/users/20/512/QdJogybcD4.png (NSFW! NSFW!)

If she's just hitting puberty, then I'm.... you know what, I can't even think of anything, that's how boggled I am.

If its not that character, then I dunno.

As for the topic at hand, it's a well meaning system that's going to fail miserably. It'll likely be abused, probably leading to take downs of games (even temporary) that don't have any issues just due to trolling. And if the system truly becomes self-publishing, then any sense of quality control will likely be gone, with the system flooded with junk. This system won't change any of that.

 

[Armaros]

Pretty much part of the point I was making.

It baffles me how Valve has less quality assurance in place for Steam than EA does for Origin, and Origin lets you get refunds (albeit under certain time conditions, and which don't apply to DLC) without being mandated by law whereas Steam ONLY allows refunds if law absolutely demands it, but Valve still somehow gets labeled as the pro-consumer 'good guys' while EA gets painted as 'villains' who care more for money than customer happiness. Really, it seems like it would be more fitting the other way around.

Maybe if you ignore everything else about either company and only determine company reputation on one singular bullet point.


Maybe.

*cough* DungeonKeeperSimCityBF4LaunchInserteverybeloveddeveloperthattheyclose *cough*

 

[The Technomancer]

No, it just contains fan service.

It's this scene that he's talking about above: http://yuq.me/users/20/512/QdJogybcD4.png (NSFW! NSFW!)

Ugh, sigh. More "innocent fanservice" of the voyeuristic variety. One of these days I'm going to type up a good rant about that shit.

On topic, I don't see this system being a big deal. I imagine Valve is going to be reviewing these claims manually to just catch stuff that slips through the cracks

 

[GuardianE]

This is a bad idea.

 

[Branduil]

Ugh, sigh. More "innocent fanservice" of the voyeuristic variety. One of these days I'm going to type up a good rant about that shit.

On topic, I don't see this system being a big deal. I imagine Valve is going to be reviewing these claims manually to just catch stuff that slips through the cracks

HL3 delayed 5 more years due to employee manpower spent reviewing claims.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Ugh, sigh. More "innocent fanservice" of the voyeuristic variety. One of these days I'm going to type up a good rant about that shit.

You should include the Witcher there...

 

[The Grim Heaper]

Ugh, sigh. More "innocent fanservice" of the voyeuristic variety. One of these days I'm going to type up a good rant about that shit.

Can't wait to hear about how it's ruining the industry!

 

[Van]

Everyone report Barbie Dream House

 

[GuardianE]

Can't wait to hear about how it's ruining the industry!

Hopefully the OP lists games that I can add to my wishlist.

 

[Orayn]

Can't wait to hear about how it's ruining the industry!

While many forms of fanservice bother the everloving hell out of him, Tech isn't one of those types of complainers who projects his personal tastes onto the entire industry. Also he can put more than three or four words together about why he doesn't like it, so there's that.

 

[Uthred]

I wonder who's going to be monitoring these reports? If Valve cant be arsed to have people curate the quality of stuff going onto their platform I'd be surprised if they have people chasing up reports. If its automated its going to get abused.

their games have the most benign and pro consumer f2p model (the are the ONLY ones with a benign f2p model), compare that to EA's models..

Just to clarify, are you saying between Valve and EA Valve are the only ones with a good F2P model or that Valve are the only company full stop that have a good F2P model?

 

[tensuke]

Good, now I can finally report Castlevania for the offensive rape scene.

Spoiler

I'm so sorry...I couldn't help myself.

 

[The Technomancer]

Can't wait to hear about how it's ruining the industry!

Fanservice in general...annoys me. But voyeuristic fanservice of the "upskirt/peek in the bathhouse/etc" variety actually bothers me. Its simulating violating someone's privacy for the viewers sexual gratification. There's no reason to do that in a fully controlled virtual world unless said privacy violation is specifically part of the appeal, and yeah, I find that creepy.

 

[Orayn]

Just to clarify, are you saying between Valve and EA Valve are the only ones with a good F2P model or that Valve are the only company full stop that have a good F2P model?

Yes. Dota 2 and Path of Exile are two of the very best F2P models in terms of fairness. That's not to say that all others are necessarily terrible, but those two games are head and shoulders above them all.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Fanservice in general...annoys me. But voyeuristic fanservice of the "upskirt/peek in the bathhouse/etc" variety actually bothers me. Its simulating violating someone's privacy for the viewers sexual gratification. There's no reason to do that in a fully controlled virtual world unless said privacy violation is specifically part of the appeal, and yeah, I find that creepy.

Fair enough. But let's say is not exactly enough to get reported for potnography as the user that complained about it suggested it.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

I may be blind. I don't see any flag or report option on the Steam page in the OP. Can someone point it out for me?

Edit: nvm, saw it :\

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

I wonder who's going to be monitoring these reports? If Valve cant be arsed to have people curate the quality of stuff going onto their platform I'd be surprised if they have people chasing up reports. If its automated its going to get abused.



Just to clarify, are you saying between Valve and EA Valve are the only ones with a good F2P model or that Valve are the only company full stop that have a good F2P model?

Valve already monitors reports on Steam Community profiles. It'll most likely be the same people who monitor that.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Whats wrong with porn?

Nothing, this just lets them know which games to check out

 

[RMS Gigantic]

*cough* DungeonKeeperSimCityBF4LaunchInserteverybeloveddeveloperthattheyclose *cough*

I actually really like the newest SimCity, but I think that's a topic for another occasion.

Besides, if you want to go that route...
*cough*RidetoHell:RetributionGettsburg:ArmoredWarfareDayOne:Garry'sIncidentTheWarZakaDayZ$3500worthofTrainSimulatorDLCRevelations2012*cough*



Back on topic, I miss the days when having "Simulator" in the name of a game series meant that the developers put a lot of research and hands-on knowledge into recreating a certain concept as accurately as possible, and placed a lot of painstaking effort into creating 3D models to replicate the objects that have the behaviors that they worked so hard to reproduce. Nowadays, it's used as a joke aside from long-running series from a few long-standing companies.

 

[213372bu]

She is not 12, dude. Also, there is no translation because it was made for English speakers, so there is no localization that is BS their age.

I don't know how to make this any more clear. There are 2 sisters. The one in the picture on this thread is Makoto and is entering College. The other is entering "that age" and has yet to "develop". The other girl apparently has a scene just like Makoto. Isn't there some playthrough on like Game Grumps? Why not just go see for yourself, (unless they censor it)?

 

[SneakyStephan]

I wonder who's going to be monitoring these reports? If Valve cant be arsed to have people curate the quality of stuff going onto their platform I'd be surprised if they have people chasing up reports. If its automated its going to get abused.



Just to clarify, are you saying between Valve and EA Valve are the only ones with a good F2P model or that Valve are the only company full stop that have a good F2P model?

Valve have a good model (no content or features locked, only cosmetics, no arbitrary inconveniences, no grinding, cosmetics created by the community and profits shared with the community, the gameplay and experience is in no way compromised by the games being f2p)

EA in their mobile games and their 'adventures' with microtransactions and f2p games (buying power in bf heroes etc) have been some of the worst f2p schemes in pc land, you'd have to go to mobile and browser games to beat them in shitty f2p schemes.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I don't know how to make this any more clear. There are 2 sisters. The one in the picture on this thread is Makoto and is entering College. The other is entering "that age" and has yet to "develop". The other girl apparently has a scene just like Makoto. Isn't there some playthrough on like Game Grumps? Why not just go see for yourself, (unless they censor it)?

I doubt they would censor it because is not exactly porn.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

This is the other scene in the game with the other girl: http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/3334093192448672620/5CEB8B636FD02ADECCD6BA62FB46EACFF5B6B4D0/ NSFW

If it's being allowed on Steam Community then Valve has no problems with it. I have gotten photos taken down due to sexual content (The Witcher 2).

 

[Ri'Orius]

Fanservice in general...annoys me. But voyeuristic fanservice of the "upskirt/peek in the bathhouse/etc" variety actually bothers me. Its simulating violating someone's privacy for the viewers sexual gratification. There's no reason to do that in a fully controlled virtual world unless said privacy violation is specifically part of the appeal, and yeah, I find that creepy.

I think you're misreading it. When I've encountered such scenes, they aren't due to peeping protagonists violating privacy, they're due to clumsy protagonists stumbling upon an awkward situation. Which is approximately the entire point of such anime and where they derive their humor.

 

[K.Jack]

http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/3334093192448672620/5CEB8B636FD02ADECCD6BA62FB46EACFF5B6B4D0/ NSFW

 

[Duxxy3]

Damn, I was hoping I could report prototype 2 for being a broken game.

 

[The Technomancer]

I think you're misreading it. When I've encountered such scenes, they aren't due to peeping protagonists violating privacy, they're due to clumsy protagonists stumbling upon an awkward situation. Which is approximately the entire point of such anime and where they derive their humor.

is the viewer also meant to feel awkward and embarrassed though? And if so, why is it called "fanservice"? Unless its playing for a kind of awkward-shame fetish

Looking at the shot posted, sorry, but you're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that the developers didn't construct and frame that image to be sexy

 

[Azure Dream]

I wish the industry actually used the AO rating, but they've made it into such a black sheep that it's pointless now, except to act like they're "morally responsible" because they don't stock or allow games rated that far.

Because the current "Mature" reading is stretched way too wide, yet we're still not allowed the same content as an R-Rated movie.

No but seriously though, I don't wanna see anything close to nudes when we're dealing with like 12 year olds.

Welcome to anime, where the "age" of a character is some arbitrary bullshit number they pulled out of their ass, which usually has no bearing on how the character is actually designed. And yes, it goes both ways.

Note, I'm not defending the scene, just mentioning why the character description doesn't match the image and scene.

 

[Durante]

So wait, you guys are saying Valve is going to implement self-publishing for just anyone? Won't that turn Steam into XBLIG? :/ I'm all for more opportunities for indies but I also don't want Steam to become flooded with 95% crap.

You'll never have to see the "crap" if you don't want to. Just stick to the curated store.

It's an elegant solution.

Looking at the shot posted, sorry, but you're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that the developers didn't construct and frame that image to be sexy

Of course it is. I don't see anything wrong with that though.

 

[ashecitism]

You'll never have to see the "crap" if you don't want to. Just stick to the curated store.

It's an elegant solution.

Yep. Also storefronts made by popular YTers will help a lot of games to get more exposure, boost sales.

 

[HansMaulwurf]

Valve doesn't want to sift through all the games that get sent to them, so they do Greenlight where the community "decides" what goes on Steam or not. Now they don't want to Quality Control anything and again open it up to the community to check for bugs etc...

Valve pockets 30% on everything on Steam. At some point we have to acknowledge that they just supply the servers and WE do 80% of their job for them.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Steam.... but I so wish that CDProjectRed would offer a Client for GOG. And Humble Bundle would eventually do the same.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Could also be possible that the company doing the English localization made the characters older than they were originally supposed to be, but really, Makoto looks nowhere near 12.

No, I recall hearing that the game was developed specifically for the West, so they wouldn't have changed the ages or anything.

 

[wildfire]

As much as Valve has annoyed me about removing legal options with their EULA I do appreciate this.