"IT'S TOTALLY USELESS, AND STUUUPID EXPENSIVE. JUST LIKE ANY VALENTINE'S DAY GIFT, LOL.
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Valve introduces $100 virtual engagement ring in Team Fortress 2.
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"IT'S TOTALLY USELESS, AND STUUUPID EXPENSIVE. JUST LIKE ANY VALENTINE'S DAY GIFT, LOL.
human onion
Banned
Would you engage with a $2.50 ring or a $100 dollar ring? It kinda makes sense in that regard.
That said, it's still a pretty stupid idea to begin with.
EmCeeGramr
Member
The Heavy's spin-up and spin-down time on his minigun, as well as his movement speed while spun up. They buffed it by half a second, while also giving him the items the GRU, (Gloves of Running Urgently, which hurts you -3HP every second while buffing your movement speed to near base speed), and the Sandvich (which can be eaten during a taunt for full health, thrown on the ground and picked up like a health pack to heal yourself or your medic or other teammate for 150HP), and Tomislav (which has a silent spinup and even lesser spin-up time in return for a 20% lower rate of fire).
Together, these (the Tomislav eventually got nerfed, and is currently nerfed in the beta for -50HP) formed the core Heavy loadout, and became the bane of pub servers. A Heavy with a Medic could now sprint to the front line for no health cost, easily engage and disengage from enemies, and heal himself or his Medic on command, thus negating huge parts of the downside to playing Heavy (slow, takes time to spin up, draws fire so difficult to attack without a Medic).
They've done some nerfing though: today they made it so the Heavy can't be healed by throwing their own Sandvich and picking it up; that will just regenerate their Sandvich meter. (A lot of Heavies would throw a Sandvich before fighting, then simply back up onto it once they started getting hurt for an instant 150HP boost).
On a good/skilled server, Heavies of poor or middling can be easily negated. Once the Heavy knows what he's doing, however (or is playing on a casual server filled with unskilled players), it becomes an imbalanced proposition of effort vs. reward: the Heavy puts in little effort, is greatly rewarded, anyone who wants to take out the Heavy has to put in a disproportionate amount of effort to kill him compared to other classes.
It's not game-ruining, but it's an annoyance.
Wait. you are not serious, are you?
Azure Dream
Member
When new weapons first come out, generally Valve forgets to give them crafting recipes (with a few exceptions). So the only ways to get them are A. Random drops, approximately one per hour, no guarantee you'll get anything new or recent, B. Trade with somebody who got one randomly, who will probably want a small mint until the weapon is much more common, C. Craft it via metal and slot tokens and hope it isn't an item slot with 10 different possibilities, like Scout melee, or D. Buy it from the store at an overpriced cost, from which you'll receive it immediately and there are no restrictions on it besides trading. (Which I think they've since relaxed.)
It sounds like a lot of options, but B and D are the only really reliable ones, and with B you're fighting against demand and a limited pool available. A is pure lottery, and C is pretty much a fool's option in most circumstances. You could waste a ton of metal and just repeatedly craft an item from an update two years ago.
Weapons tend to start out OP more often than not too, before Valve starts balancing things, and of course people aren't used to it yet. I didn't get to mess with it, but apparently the Spycicle was amazing for a while.
PataHikari
Banned
Basically the Heavy used to A) Move slower when spun up, and B) Take longer to spin up and spin down.
By reducing these weakness in an attempt to make the Heavy a little more fun to play, Valve reduced a core weakness of the Heavy. Originally the Heavy was very weak to ambushes, if you snuck up on one you would likely win. Now it's much harder.
Another problem was the Sandvich. It's an item which replaces the shotgun. With it, the Heavy can spend 4 seconds eating it to regain his health. Now, the Heavy can also throw it with left click. In which case it functions as a health pack anybody can pick up. The intent was to give it a team helping element by letting the Heavy heal injured team mates. However, the Heavy could himself pick it up. So he could use it to near instantly regain 150 HP. This was pretty unbalanced.
Fortunately, Valve just with this update made it so that if the Heavy picks up his own Sandvich, it just refills the meter that recharges to let him use it again. Now if you want that heal you need to make yourself vulnerable for a few seconds.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Yeah a really helpful GAFfer (who I'm not going to make blush by naming) joined a server with me and gave me tips about always spinning up before rounding a corner so I didn't get caught and have to take a second or two of fire before I shoot. He also played Medic and camped me the whole time so I felt super powerful and survived a lot longer.
I haven't played that item set yet because I guess you need to get so many achievements to unlock them or something but I have seen the Sandvich thing.
Thanks for the info.
Togglesworlh
Banned
Haha, complaining about the heavy being unbalance in any shape or form.
You guys, such kidders!
You guys, such kidders!
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hahahah people still pull the "but Capcom/Activision did this with colors and you got angry" shit.
Do note that those colors are just reskins, and do note that in TF2 you can all get a lot of the items via crafting.
Do note that those colors are just reskins, and do note that in TF2 you can all get a lot of the items via crafting.
ihearthawthats
Banned
if the rings are same in quality, then obviously i'd buy the $2.50 one. why is this even a question? it's pretty safe to assume that the dev costs that went into this ring are similar to the dev costs of $0.99 dlc that many other games have.
King Of Fuh
Member
Just wanted to mention I was playing TF2 for about 45 minutes tonight and would say I got a message about the ring every 1-2 minutes.
I wish I had something that could print money like this.
I wish I had something that could print money like this.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
A purchase a minute sounds about right. I'm tired of the notification of someone getting the ring.
Nabs
Member
But... but... that's what they've been doing for years.
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid=440
Authors of items added to the game get a cut of money made from the store.
edit: beaten
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Can't say I like the idea of this. Reminds me of the EVE Online $85 eye monocle issue.
At least in the sense that CCP were ripped apart by the community for the idea of putting such an expensive cosmetic item in the game IIRC. I don't think the plans for that actually went through though.
Valve seems to get a relatively free pass on this though, no doubt due to the good will they have built up with the PC community.
At least in the sense that CCP were ripped apart by the community for the idea of putting such an expensive cosmetic item in the game IIRC. I don't think the plans for that actually went through though.
Valve seems to get a relatively free pass on this though, no doubt due to the good will they have built up with the PC community.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Haha. Shows how long I have been away from Steam and TF2! .
Community items have been in the game for years before the shop, and since the shop opened up item creators have made over $1,000,000 collectively from item sales.
The ring is also a community item, it ain't just Valve making something off this:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=10043&searchtext=
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=10043&searchtext=
I think the majority of free to play MMORPGs have something like this (engagement/wedding items) in place for role-playing purposes. It's just not a very obvious thing to add to TF2 because of the lack of female characters, as well as the lack of role-playing opportunities.
(They should add female characters for purchase - that'll sell like hotcakes)
(They should add female characters for purchase - that'll sell like hotcakes)
natethegreat409
Member
Company makes money because people with extra money want to buy something that doesn't effect gameplay? Cool, good for Valve.
I'll bitch when they start making money off things that put me at an unfair advantage if I do not have them. I was fine with the Christmas stuff being exclusive. It wasn't a big deal waiting a week to be able to start finding the items.
I'll bitch when they start making money off things that put me at an unfair advantage if I do not have them. I was fine with the Christmas stuff being exclusive. It wasn't a big deal waiting a week to be able to start finding the items.
That guy is probably very rich now. Well, maybe not, but I'm sure he's getting a good chunk of money out of this.
SteveWinwood
Member
This has been totally worth it to see all the stupid messages people come up with. There have been a few really funny ones in a sea of crap ones.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Svdl is probably way richer. I can only imagine how much cash he's gotten. He just got another item of his approved and released today.
They seriously needed to be cheaper :/
DAAAAAAAAYMMM
SteveWinwood
Member
They picked his worst items too to be in the game (other than todays).
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I saw one saying "White bitch has accepted Tyrone's "Big Black Cock"! Congratulations!" :lol
This is Valve, so its okay!
SafeinSound
Member
It's hilarious in the fact that people are actually buying it.
Alex
Member
People always buy lots of stupid shit in F2P games. I don't get it either.
They still won't make a clip on what Blizzard will make by selling their WoW mounts though, and that's a game where you buy the box, pay a fee and they take six months to add baby patches with little to no art assets added during a live expansion.
They still won't make a clip on what Blizzard will make by selling their WoW mounts though, and that's a game where you buy the box, pay a fee and they take six months to add baby patches with little to no art assets added during a live expansion.
Been said a billion times in this thread, and you will get the same response from the majority of people.
"So what?"
If this is bothering you, I'd hate to know how mad you were when the Manconomy came out.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
This is weird materialist mentality without the actual material.
Three crockets-mad.
OH I'm not mad, why would I be mad?
Not as bad as the $1000 I'm a rich douche app on the App store but this is still pretty gross.
If you're happy to give Valve a pass on this because of all the good they do, that's fine. just have the balls to admit that's what you're doing and don't okay it off like EA or Activision could get away with it. Just be honest.
If you're happy to give Valve a pass on this because of all the good they do, that's fine. just have the balls to admit that's what you're doing and don't okay it off like EA or Activision could get away with it. Just be honest.
I'm happy to give Valve a "pass" on this because it's Downloadable Crap, not Downloadable Content. Charging for vanity items and continuing to provide actual content - maps, mini-campaigns, and whatever else other publishers would gladly charge for - for free doesn't rustle my feathers at all, and I imagine this is the case for others, too.
Plus, on a far less eloquent level, I simply don't care because I don't play TF2.
Plus, on a far less eloquent level, I simply don't care because I don't play TF2.
jim-jam bongs
Member
This thread delivered many chuckles.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think Valve underestimated how many jerks with lots of cash are going to use this for jokes like what we've seen
Bomber Bob
Banned
selling air for 100$ revenue
I love virtual goods
I love virtual goods
TheBioLover
Member
OMG LOL GUYZ VALVE IZ GOING DOWN JUZT LIKE BIOWARE GUYS OMG LOL FUCK VALVE AND BIOWARE LOL!.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Selling emotion