AquaWateria
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How can someone shit out a article as poor as this one.
Was it for clicks? Seriously it must be embarrassing.
Was it for clicks? Seriously it must be embarrassing.
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Ventura Beat: Nintendo Switch graphics are based on Nvidia's Maxwell Architecture
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Oh, I would take one. But I haven't brushed my teeth yet so don't inhale while my mouth is close to your nose.
ShadowFox08
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That's fp16 though, which won't happen all the time. Likely not even for most situations. at fp32 its 512. It should average out in between. Correct me if I'm wrong someone.
VentureBeat has posted dumb or wrong shit before, so I'm not going to immediately believe this article outright. The sources might just be talking about the dev kits of which we've known they are probably Maxwell based. The devkits were also apparently quite a bit more bulky than the svelte final design.
That said it should bear repeating that the very first leak we had concerning Nintendo partnering with Nvidia mentioned that Nvidia were sitting on a shitton of unused Tegra chips (because they were moving to Pascal quicker than expected?), and Nintendo swooped in to get these for next to nothing. All the recent speculation on Switch using Pascal would explicitly fly in the face of this rumor.
That said it should bear repeating that the very first leak we had concerning Nintendo partnering with Nvidia mentioned that Nvidia were sitting on a shitton of unused Tegra chips (because they were moving to Pascal quicker than expected?), and Nintendo swooped in to get these for next to nothing. All the recent speculation on Switch using Pascal would explicitly fly in the face of this rumor.
Because the first few pages of the thread is a shit show.
It doesn't say anywhere in the article that is FP16 and it compares it directly to Scorpios's 6 Tflops and PS4's 1.8 TFlops. I'm talking purely about the article here. That why the "Taking the article at face value".
Claude Augario
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You can't wag your finger in Nintendo threads if you acknowledge those people don't actually exist.
What if the Switch streams #thegrafix via #dacloud tho. 🤔
I was going to point out something similar because the floating point precision wasn't specified but then the article went on to say it could be similar in performance to Xbox One but they're not sure so I just ignored it.
Kenzodielocke
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Page 11. Where we at now? The first pages are filled with unbearable posts.
Edit: I thought the Switch would be a little less powerful than the XB1 and I am fine with that.
Edit: I thought the Switch would be a little less powerful than the XB1 and I am fine with that.
Gamer @ Heart
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What I remember reading was that the nvidia team was told, get a console win at all costs and thus Nintendo walked away with an amazing deal, i.e. licensing of all the middle ware Nvidia built and provided plus the design and fab process of the custom chip. Nintendo scooping up a bunch of old tegras was never a part of that. Where did you read it?
Thank you for the post. It's well detailed and explained. People like me have no idea about the Nvidia hardware, and this clarifies many issues.
Some people are (or were at least) throwing shit to NateDrake, just like with Emily Rogers last time. One important thing: he was right about Nvidia. It seems that, after so many toxic posts, people learned nothing.
As long as it plays many great games, and has third party support, why should we care if Maxwell or Pascal?
It bears repeating though that it doesn't make sense for the Switch to be using a stock TX1 from the deal you mention that apparently Nvidia were sitting on a stockpile of unsold stock TX1 chips because we've been told even in this article apart from earlier leaks that the Switch GPU is a custom design.
The article is obviously full of crap and they don't know what they are talking about, i mean you talk about Maxwell but then you say 1TFLOP/s when that's obviously a FP16 figure that Maxwell doesn't support then you say they didn't chose Pascal because the chip are big and hot when Pascal is for the most part a die shrink...
In any case i don't doubt for not even one second that Nintendo is using a full 28/20nm Maxwell SoC because we are talking about Nintendo and they always have to be one step behind.
In any case i don't doubt for not even one second that Nintendo is using a full 28/20nm Maxwell SoC because we are talking about Nintendo and they always have to be one step behind.
Such a strange article. The auto talkshow about the Switch also having much more limited memory bandwidth. It may be me, but I don't think we know anything about that. The whole article reads like someone who does not quite understand the specifics of what he is talking about wrote it, and that might be where this story comes from: my guess is that the author got in touch with sources likely in possessiom of the dev kit, and heard that it had a maxwell chip. Not understanding that this does not mean the Switch itself won't necessary have a Maxwell chip as well, he went on to report his news.
Or maybe he is right and Nintendo went cheap on the chip, who knows really.
Or maybe he is right and Nintendo went cheap on the chip, who knows really.
Never mind you guys are right. That wasn't part of the SemiAccurate leak, but it was an interpretation by Thraktor on the leak that I conflated with the actual leak.
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Edit: The following is regarding dev-kits and I don't know if it will apply to the retail Switch unit.
Hahaha that title, and the writing... Yikes looks like author was so invested into getting clicks and channelling flames they ended up going in circles and falling flat on their face with things that don't make sense.
The edited one is like going from someone who doesn't follow tech to someone who is more grounded in reality with reasonable knowledge about the scene.
Wish wayback machine had the page cached already if the OP isn't the whole piece before it was edited.
What a mess.
The edited one is like going from someone who doesn't follow tech to someone who is more grounded in reality with reasonable knowledge about the scene.
Wish wayback machine had the page cached already if the OP isn't the whole piece before it was edited.
What a mess.
Well, the Maxwell thing? You can probably take that to the bank but...the way that article is written? Oh man, the author has no idea how to present the information they were given. >_<
Inspectah_Deck
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Update your damn post OP!
The article had huge changes.
Also thraktors post should be quoted in OP too.
The article had huge changes.
Also thraktors post should be quoted in OP too.
guybrushfreeman
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Yeah I can't figure out why the article was so long. They are trying to stretch out a small tidbit of information into an essay and it really didn't work
I guess because going with older tech would confirm a lot of people's prejudices about Nintendo:
Indeed.
Citing the size of the GTX1060 as why they can't use Pascal? What? Nvidia are developing, or were developing the Tegra P1 which uses the architecture. It missing the Switch would be because it wasn't ready in time.
It'll still be 16nm, maybe use a custom Nvidia ARM core as well as A57, and likely use a customized Maxwell GPU. It may still use Tegra P1. After all Nvidia may have delayed it BECAUSE Nintendo approached them and moved the design work to this project. Until January nobody is going to tell us.
This article may be right, but not because of anything in it, utterly risible stuff.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Well, yeah. That still doesn't mean you're going to get PS4/Xbox One performance out of Switch if the rumoured specs ring true.
GarciaHotspur
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Nintendo fans are really really susceptible
I don't believe it. Currently the nvidia shield has sold out and I see no indication to see them coming back in stock.
I believe to save costs nvidia have stopped production of the old chip entirely and is producing the new one exclusively for the 2nd gen shield and switch, that makes the most fiscal sense to me. If nvidia are trying to prove their market worth in the console market, remaining on 2 year old tech for their latest console would prove a bad long term move to their perception.
I believe to save costs nvidia have stopped production of the old chip entirely and is producing the new one exclusively for the 2nd gen shield and switch, that makes the most fiscal sense to me. If nvidia are trying to prove their market worth in the console market, remaining on 2 year old tech for their latest console would prove a bad long term move to their perception.
That should be obvious for anybody who has followed the discussion about Switch's tech.
There are very few people who even said such a thing. And many more people who try to contradict something that it isn't actually said by most.
This post is precious.
Indeed. But, even if it's Maxwell, what most people speculated on were the gains in terms of power efficiency (battery life advantages, mostly) by going with Pascal, not mere power advantages. About the power itself, we still have Matt's posts who stated several times across several threads how specs won't be the limiting factor for Switch to get ports from PS4/One, and he never specified the architecture IIRC.
On the matter of battery life, I still hope the 5 hours figure for battery life is still a thing. IIRC, before that, we've had the 4 hours figure from Matt, as well.
Just imagine the implications if this were true heh.
Care to elaborate? I'm guessing not.
LordRaptor
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Ventura Beat, huh?
Explains a lot.
Explains a lot.
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Rodin
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I wouldn't call Switch outdated for stuff that uses mobile hardware unless i missed the magic iPhone that runs Breath of the Wild, Skyrim remastered and the new 3D Mario, but ok
I don't think the people you're referring to are Nintendo fans.
Nope. LKD said 249 base version and 299 a sku with more memory and Splatoon enhanced packed in.
Indeed.
There was actually a pretty insightful post that proved how it's the OPPOSITE, but i can't find it now.
Possumowner
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Oh boy I love Nintendo threads,at least it's not long until we get to the actual truth of the matter now
Cow Mengde
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This is Neogaf.
Eolz
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Rodin
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You haven't seen ANYTHING on that shitty projector, with those lights on. Look for the Mario Run comparison where you can't even see the pattern on the wall texture and everything looks horribly blurry and washed out compared to direct feed pics.
Do you know what Pascal is and why people wanted it? I'll wait.
It's a two way street, if you get more power efficiency it also means you get more computational power at the same battery life, Pascal would have helped to shrink the gap with PS4/X1 especially if when docked the console is allowed to run at higher frequencies.
PdotMichael
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There aren't many reason why Nintendo shouldn't.
Though if Nvidia can't provide Pascal chips for Nintendo then it means that Nintendo is stuck with Maxwell.
I knew it, Switch will cost 249/299$ and will release in March, Tegra Pascal architechture is too recent to be in there, they wouldn't have had the time to make a customized Pascal chip for Switch, we already know Nvidia has been working for almost 2 years on Switch so it couldn't be Pascal since it's too recent, and also as i said implementing a newer technology would mean higher costs and it doesn't look like Switch will be expensive.
That said i'm fine with it, i never thought Switch could reach XB1 performances even when running at full clock speed in the dock, and i'm fine with that, i want it for Nintendo games and its exclusives, i have my PC and Xbox for those multiplatforms whoch won't be able to run on Switch
That said i'm fine with it, i never thought Switch could reach XB1 performances even when running at full clock speed in the dock, and i'm fine with that, i want it for Nintendo games and its exclusives, i have my PC and Xbox for those multiplatforms whoch won't be able to run on Switch
KaiserBecks
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This is so confusing. People expected it to be as powerful as the PS4, yet Maxwell isn't good enough? Do people actually think the PS4 can hold a candle to Pascal? I haven't followed the Switch rumors, what's supposed to be the secret sauce here?
frankie_baby
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She said 199 and 249 british pounds which she speculated would be 249 and 299 us dollars, however with the exchange rates as they are if you take the tax off the british price thats roughly 200 and 250 dollars which is what I'd expect