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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Angelus Errare
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$80 dollars says nothing gets announced in the next few weeks.
Can Crusher
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read this thread...
I see nothing that makes him look like a MS fanboy. Maybe you need to re think.
Maybe not officially, but you'll definitely get to know PS4's full specs by the end of February.
Sony first/second party exclusives have sold 75+ million on the PS3. They're far from not selling "particularly well". They're doing very well. They just have several bombas too, like All Stars, Resistance 3, MAG etc. I'd fault Sony on many things, but their first party exclusives are not one of them. They were smart to release many exclusives, even if some of them seemed like throwing crap at a wall to see if it'll stick.
Plus, for some games, like All Stars, an improved sequel could prove to be successful with the right additions.
systemfehler
Member
So after the GPU rendered the picture and "sends" it to the TV there is another process step to apply AA - that might work for movies or Quantic Dream games but in nothing else otherwise it is Welcome to Lag Town: Population every game! People already complain about input latency and gamers buy TVs according to their response time - you can't just add another effect like AA just like that.
Mind you, it's one thing to produce an off-die eDRAM chip, and it's quite another to fully integrate it.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
all stars isn't going anywhere until they actually give players what they want, which they might not be able to do because most of what people want is 3rd party characters, which are synonym with ps.
Why would they break when it's not a moving part, likely just a circular metallic ring you find on your average exercise machine. Buttons, triggers and sticks have a much greater chance of breaking
Can Crusher
Banned
ESRAM wasn't an afterthought most likely.
Agreed. Until Cloud, Sora, Crash, Wanderer, etc. show up. This game has no where to go. The fact that Sony ignores its JRPG roots is the saddest part.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
$160 dollars says that people will see this thing in late February
I hope you're not talking about Destination Playstation.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
$160 dollars says that people will see this thing in late February
Interesting. So DPS it is? I hope it is revealed before the bar opens.
It would not be revealed at Destination Playstation.
If it's at Destination Playstation it'll be because it was revealed at a Playstation Meeting or some such earlier in Feb.
systemfehler
Member
Would make sense to show retailers a few days afterwards what they can expect not vice versa.
phosphor112
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I still think Sony will go for a stacked DDR4 over GDDR5. Same bandwidth results, same high initial costs, but the costs for DDR4 would drive down more quickly than GDDR5 ever will at this point.
Whatever it takes for Sony to meet their target specs of 192 GB/S and 1.84 TF, they will do it.
Ooh. Interesting. How on earth did you dig that up?
phosphor112
Banned
I also believe the heat footprint would be less than 4gigs of GDDR5... which is a power hog and fire hazard (lol). This is wishful thinking, but going with stacked DDR4 would allow for additional resources going into more ram. I highly doubt it would happen though. I'm just hoping it would.
So close and yet so far away,we need major leaks.
What makes you think 192 GB/S is the target?
What about this? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rambus-Shows-World-s-Best-RAM-Technology-292885.shtml
It would align nicely with this: Terabyte Bandwidth Initiative
I think this as well. It makes a lot of sense in the long term and would keep heat, energy, and latency down.
phosphor112
Banned
Not sure how practical it is to get manufacturing plant to get that new system in, if Sony does get it, then that would be cream worthy. Seems way too soon for that tech though.
800 Gbps... Jayzus
Yeah, GDDR5 might be what they are using in the dev kits.
Oh I don't think it will happen. We were discussing Rambus stuff the other day. And didn't catch the XDR3. Not even Jeff mentioned it. There are still so very many things that we haven't covered. lol.
phosphor112
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From what I understand from the article, this replaces the "XDR3" proprietary thing. It still works for their TB initiative, but yeah, XDR2 is out of the question. Too expensive. Not too mention DDR4 stacking is likely at this point.
Stephen Colbert
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Damn that ram sounds amazing, and cheap too!
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rambus-Shows-World-s-Best-RAM-Technology-292885.shtml
I really hope Sony goes all out and stick 6gbs of it in the PS4, along with an AMD 8850 GPU along side a AMD Steamroller CPU.
This along side the revamped controller, kickass sony first parties, support for the Oculus Rift (while MS is busy wasting time with crap like Kinect) and free online, and the PS4 will hands down be the console to own nextgen.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rambus-Shows-World-s-Best-RAM-Technology-292885.shtml
I really hope Sony goes all out and stick 6gbs of it in the PS4, along with an AMD 8850 GPU along side a AMD Steamroller CPU.
This along side the revamped controller, kickass sony first parties, support for the Oculus Rift (while MS is busy wasting time with crap like Kinect) and free online, and the PS4 will hands down be the console to own nextgen.
Angelus Errare
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It's neat but a few things
1. Rambus memory is ridiculously expensive. The 256MB of XDR in PS3 cost more than twice as much as the 256GB of GDDR3 during the same timeframe. They (Rambus) charge a pretty penny even when the technology is cheap since the designs are completely their own.
2. XDR2 isn't even a real product yet let alone XDR3, adding more to the expense.
3. Rambus is fabless company and last I checked no memory manufacturers want anything to do with Rambus, meaning if Sony were to use XDR2 memory manufacturing companies like Samsung, Hynix would charge Sony a premium.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
you know this won't happen right?
pharmboy044
Member
Is there still a possibility of RAM set aside for the OS?
phosphor112
Banned
I would generally agree with you (3 mainly), but this "new" tech uses DDR3 technology. Not the proprietary stuff that XDR is.
I doubt it. I feel like it'll be one pool.
Someone claiming knowledge stated they would take a perma ban bet(don't remember who, or what thread) against Sony having separate RAM for OS.
Angelus Errare
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So far rumors point to an PS4 having an APU that consists of 4 core Steamroller + 7000/8000 series GPU.
Supporting Occulus...I don't see happening unless it's just a USB device gamers can buy but not directly supported by Sony. But rather having to be implemented on a game by game basis ala KB/M for PS3.
Angelus Errare
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Even then it'd still be expensive. Rambus isn't part of any consortium that makes up memory specs. Even if it's using DDR3 chips, there's nothing stopping Rambus from charging premium since the XDR3 chip design is completely their own. As an example using numbers pulled out my ass. Let's say the going rate for 256MB DDR3 chip is $5, there's nothing stopping Rambus from charging $10-$15 per chip.
... Just a hunchlets just see what the next playstation uses... Dev kits do change from actual released hardware fyi...
Acheteedo
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Somehow I can't see Sony supporting the Rift, that would be in direct competition with their HMZ sets. They're much more likely to develop their own device, which could take a long time. MS on the other hand will probably attempt to buy Oculus if it takes off. I suspect Oculus isn't for sale, however.
phosphor112
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Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. Still likely expensive, but I'm sure not as expensive as XDR was.
Kun Aguero
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So what would these biometric sensors in the new controllers be used for?
Well, actually there is. Rambus make money off of PS3. Heck it's their only money making machine. PS3 is at the end of its life cycle, if they don't have a design win in the PS4, then the outlook of the company doesn't look so good, especially with their reputation.
Whatever we say, Sony got the performance they were looking for in XDR, and of course they must have had talks already with Rambus for the PS4, because they must have negotiated lower prices every time Sony lowered the manufacturing price of the ps3.
I'm guessing things didn't turn out so well for Rambus this time if they were looking for the same kinda deal, as Sony probably can't bleed money like before.
lets just see what the next playstation uses... Dev kits do change from actual released hardware fyi...
Do they now?
iamvin22
Industry Verified
whats the bandwidth on ddr4?
Can Crusher
Banned
Those guys aren't going to be "working" for either MS or Sony. You'll have to get that for PC.
How about 'working' with?
Says server is down for maintenance bro.
Stephen Colbert
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Sony could easily partner with (or outright buy) the people making Oculus Rift to make out of the box PS4 support for it at launch a reality.
Alternatively, Sony already has it's own VR headset....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77oCTRIUCk8&feature=player_embedded#!
...though without some of the features Oculus Rift offers that makes the Rift better to use, but there's no reason Sony can't fix those problems and release an upgraded VR headset for the PS4 that is on par with the Rift but at a higher resolution to boot (720p per eye).
If you like this idea, upvote it on the Playstation Blog Share site that Sony developers frequent...
http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/ideas/2012/08/14/oculus-rift-head-mounted-display/
The Blog Share was how fans managed to get Kevin Butler at the E3 conference last year, so there's no reason they couldn't do something similar with the Oculus Rift this year.
Alternatively, Sony already has it's own VR headset....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77oCTRIUCk8&feature=player_embedded#!
...though without some of the features Oculus Rift offers that makes the Rift better to use, but there's no reason Sony can't fix those problems and release an upgraded VR headset for the PS4 that is on par with the Rift but at a higher resolution to boot (720p per eye).
If you like this idea, upvote it on the Playstation Blog Share site that Sony developers frequent...
http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/ideas/2012/08/14/oculus-rift-head-mounted-display/
The Blog Share was how fans managed to get Kevin Butler at the E3 conference last year, so there's no reason they couldn't do something similar with the Oculus Rift this year.
I don't how they could be using GDDR5 in the devkits. Unless that bandwidth figure comes from the GPU they were using. Aren't early devkits usually just glorified PCs?
Can Crusher
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In what sense?
Can you plug game peripherals from non licensed brands on your Ps3/Xbox 360? We are also talking about the machine having to reserve power to work with Oculus Rift, which would mean devs developing with it in mind. It's not like you can just plug it in and it will do the rest for you.
Unless something completely unexpected happens, VR on consoles will happen when manufacturers make it happen, with their own tech.
AgentP
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The same as DDR3 at the same clock rate. Fast DDR4 in triple channel configuration can get you 50+GB/s. I don't know how stacking changes the bandwidth, anyone have a quick a dirty explanation?
Kazuma Kiryu
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didn't we have people talking about both consoles having a jaguar cpu and ps4 having a 7xxx gpu (higher clocked)? and rumors still say 4gb of ram at best. about the oculus rift, sony already has their own thing so i doubt they would buy or work with occulus rift.
Reserve power? wait, what? Like Kinect?
Maybe I haven't been keeping up with news, but shouldn't all the processing stuff be onboard? How are they managing latency if it's not onboard? This thing is going to fail or succeed based on latency...
External processing seems like a dumb design for such a thing.
The only thing the ps4 would have to do is feed it's visual data, same as a monitor surely?
I mean you would need to change the software to match the wider pov, 3d etc... but that's engine stuff which has to happen anyway.. for anything...