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VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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I did not think it was possible to really fall in love with random people on the internet. I hope I'm not getting catfish'd
Karak
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People can take it as they will.
But one thing I won't do is randomly post something than post something different just a bit later.
People can take that as they wish.
How so?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Thuway has been spot on with a lot of things.
Except thuway and Proelite are probably the ones with the most accurate info here.
So let me get this straight;
First you say ROPs are not in the eSRAM,
Then you say the data movers are focused on improving graphical performance
The only logical explanation that i can infer then is that those data movers are specialized "ROP like" units?
Then why do they ask for things thes should know? It sems really fishy to me.
fake ninja edit: And how do you know they are accurate? Because a leak has pulled their infos, maybe?
I am not disrespecting anyone here, and I don't demand exact info from insiders at all, but I am not confident anyone really knows something.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Proelite
Member
Glorified G
Member
Just looking at the raw specs it seems like the typical generational jump. The ram increase especially is huge.(even if you reserve 3gb to the os.)
Why? Because things have changed constantly. That's just how it is especially with insider information.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
No one knows 100%. Everyone knows piece by piece. It's a puzzle, especially with the secrecy involved around the two powerhouse. Also, not everyone knows all the technicality.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Things are changing all the time and they aren't engineers so interpreting the info they are handed isn't like comparing video card against video card.
Proelite
Member
I think both Orbis and Durango's GPU are customized version of GCN/GCN2.
Unless they miraculously did the same things to them, they should be pretty different.
I love how people think I am full of shit. There is a reason we are all dodgy about information. However, I have echoed these exact SAME specs you are all arguing about for WEEKS now. There is a reason for my confidence.
However, I am not here to bust any one's balls. I am just telling you all, Karak is full of shit. He knows nothing.
BTW- I am not a programmer, game designer, or software engineer. I am a medical student with a tie to the games industry. Some of the GAF mods and I know each other on a personal basis. People here can vouch that I am a SANE logical person who isn't trying to make people believe in some fan fiction.
No one, not ProElite, Aurthur, or I, know the ENTIRE story.
However, I am not here to bust any one's balls. I am just telling you all, Karak is full of shit. He knows nothing.
BTW- I am not a programmer, game designer, or software engineer. I am a medical student with a tie to the games industry. Some of the GAF mods and I know each other on a personal basis. People here can vouch that I am a SANE logical person who isn't trying to make people believe in some fan fiction.
No one, not ProElite, Aurthur, or I, know the ENTIRE story.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Its the same experience that sold me the 360. Give me the same MS and my money is yours.
Baconsammy
Banned
I'll take accuracy over timely any day. You're doing it right.
That's true, but I am just cruios of where vgleaks/df get their data from, maybe from gaf or b3d, where those guys post?
Or you could interpret my post as rude as well, that's oaky too.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Very cool. Man this is going to be the craziest E3 ever.
This would be fantastic.
This leak is stated to be based on 9 month old data.
I am 100% confident they, certain individuals, know what has been in these dev kits and what the final targets are and have been. No need to be suspicious
The ones who would really know and understand everything are also generally the ones who don't leak, at least not directly.
A really great explanation of how these systems work would identify the person as part of a decidedly small group of people.
Throwing a few tidbits through someone you know wouldn't.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I suspect the perform will be about the same.
The vibe I'm getting in this thread is the 720 will be cheaper to manufacture.
thiswasavailable
Banned
The 360 had 3 arrays of 16 unified shaders = 48 shaders.
It actually had 64 but 1 block was disabled. (at least early on to my knowledge)
Because Xenos is so custom, I think it hard to convert one of those ALU's over to something modern on the PC side. They don't match up exactly especially once you factor in things like the EDRAM and the functions it performed. It gets muddy in my opinion.
Karak
Member
No. Its going to be very interesting to see 1st party games from both these companies for sure.
But unless they somehow did more "customization" than what happens in 2 entire GPU generations (or one of them actually customized it to be less efficient), a 50% efficiency gap just seems incredibly unlikely.
Just looking at the data in the OP, without additional information, does in fact show the opposite.
Well.. kind of... but close though.
We don't know what the dsps in PS4 do. Heck, we're not really sure what the DMEs in x3 do.
Hey Karak ,aegies and others!
I have been wondering about something that I can not get an answer to. (That is where you guys come in)
Is it possible that Microsoft could release different SKU. By different I mean hardware wise.
Think of it like a mid and high end PC. Both can run and play Crysis 3 but it different settings.
One with ultra and one with high graphic performance.
The question is: Could MS do that? is it doable? Is it possible ?
I would appreciate your answer.
Pardon my English
I have been wondering about something that I can not get an answer to. (That is where you guys come in)
Is it possible that Microsoft could release different SKU. By different I mean hardware wise.
Think of it like a mid and high end PC. Both can run and play Crysis 3 but it different settings.
One with ultra and one with high graphic performance.
The question is: Could MS do that? is it doable? Is it possible ?
I would appreciate your answer.
Pardon my English
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
On paper Eurogamer is saying Orbis has a big advantage with the GPU but were dealing with so many unknowns that they will likely end up being very close to each other in output.
People need to stop preparing their purchasing decision around the perceived power of the system since they are likely going to be to close to call. Get excited for the games
They will be very close.
Proelite
Member
Nope. This shows that we'll know the answer 2-3 years into the next generation.
Kill Your Masters
Member
Şo it's PS360 round 2. 1st parties and the ecosystem of choice will be the deciding factor I guess.
I would be less gutsy about Durango after this info, if anything. The number of cases where it ought to have an advantage narrowed vs what I figured previously.
Of course we don't know everything...
Xenos was 240 GFLOPS.
RSX is harder to directly compare, since it's pre-unified shaders.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Looks to me like both will be very close just like this current gen.
Can Crusher
Banned
ProElite has to be legit, Thuway too. I don't give two shits about what some think of them, it just adds up and that's how it works.
I'm glad that there's still that hope that these system will be very much neck and neck and oriented to the core. Don't care about the naysayers!
I'm glad that there's still that hope that these system will be very much neck and neck and oriented to the core. Don't care about the naysayers!
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
It will be more clearer when full specs in terms of size, architecture, and total bandwidths are revealed.
Based on reveals so far, PS4 seems more capable. But nothing is certain at this point.
Horse Armour
Member
I can believe that the Durango GPU is more advanced and efficient (GCN2 versus GCN in PS4) based on MS working with AMD on it for a lot longer but I really don't see how the Sony GPU having 50% more flops will be overcome.
I hope it will be like the 1995 E3. I want to be able to buy a 720 the day after E3, I can't wait 10 months.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Someone posted this earlier but it really isn't saying much here. No flops don't mean everything but there are alot of other areas where PS4 seems to have an advantage. Bandwidth, latency, ROPS, etc.
No not at all.