So, MS has developed an AI compiler that requires no human intervention? Awesome, I'll tell my team of .NET devs they're all fired.
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VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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So, MS has developed an AI compiler that requires no human intervention? Awesome, I'll tell my team of .NET devs they're all fired.
If that ends up being true, we will have two more certifiable bombs on our hands.
shinobi602
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What do you mean?
polyh3dron
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Lord Error
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Is it not unusual that this ESRAM has (much?) lower bandwidth than typical GDDR5 used today? I thought the point of embedded memory like this was to be crazy fast, far faster than any other memory type can be.
shinra-bansho
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Is there anything worthwhile to read in the last 7 pages or is it all just dumb x = x analogies...?
There was a Peter North image somewhere in here that was pretty funny.
To everything. In GPUs and CPUs the cores contain the components that do the work. The memory remains the memory no matter where it's situated
Paddington Bear
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Any news when the Orbis leak is coming?
Yeah, it seems crazy slow compared to normal embedded RAM. From memory, the eDRAM in the 360 was ~250BG/s.
I don't mean to brag. Who am I kidding after failing to get friends I argue with to see the usefulness of this tech I kind of do 
Anyways i've been calling HDMI pass-through for a while as in my mind if you want to sell stuff to the average person through your box it can't be on some separate TV input that they will never (or rarely) go to. It will turn into the Wii. So you either turn the console into a DVR itself and never use your old cable box or overlay the Xbox on top of the cable box like this might be doing. Hopefully that is it what its for.
Anyways here is my insanity.
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Boom!
Anyways i've been calling HDMI pass-through for a while as in my mind if you want to sell stuff to the average person through your box it can't be on some separate TV input that they will never (or rarely) go to. It will turn into the Wii. So you either turn the console into a DVR itself and never use your old cable box or overlay the Xbox on top of the cable box like this might be doing. Hopefully that is it what its for.Anyways here is my insanity.
2/19/12
3/03/12
3/26/12
6/03/12
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Boom!
Codeblew
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And backwards compatability! Wooo.
It already happened.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-orbis-unmasked-what-to-expect-from-next-gen-console
But VGLeaks will post more about orbis these days.
polyh3dron
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I admit, I lol'd
tinfoilhatman
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Where did I say NO human intervention, it should be MUCH less than Xbox1 to 360 is all I"m saying...........was every single game that works in MAME or any software emulator re-written from the ground up, no of course not and thats using pure brute force CPU....Microsoft has the benefit of GPU<>GPU portability and DirectX commonalities\tools.
I'm talking about the portability of the existing code , of course if your going from non-managed non Microsoft native code to MS managed code it's not that simple but do you really think no one at Microsoft saw this issue coming down the road and planned for it?
Again I'm not an expert but if downloadable Live games are not compatible with 720 Microsoft looses ALL CREDIBILITY in this area and I just don't see that happening.
Paddington Bear
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Oh got it. I thought vgleaks was doing something seperately
AgentP
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Then there is no need for super high memory bandwidth for the main memory. Ps4's 192GBs will be mostly used for buffers and post while the 720's esram and DMEs will take care of that freeing up the ddr3 to be used for only gaming/graphics.
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oldergamer
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There's no way these are jaguar cores. AMD is not permitted to license x86 tech to be used in custom chips and we know MS is making custom chips from all the previous info leaks.
Paddington Bear
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Ok cool, not like it will be crazy different but anything new would be good haha
Can Crusher
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Or maybe it should go with 512 MB of ESRAM and nothing more. I mean, imagine the damn bandwidth on that thing!!!!!!
gaming_noob
Member
Saving the best for last. This underwhelming Durango reveal was just a small taste. PS4 might be shockingly powerful.
Care to explain the "4x DME" does it mean effective performance of 1.2TF x 4?
True. I tried to grasp the concept as ES/ED ram providing room for these "effects" to be shown off akin to an overlay for the final render as it is presented on the screen (almost like two different streams of visual streams coalescing into one frame of visual information). I would assume that these effects are fast, flexible yet pretty taxing on the main memory. Am I incorrect in my assumption? Kindly make necessary rectification to my post so that I may learn more and correct my faulty assumptions.
SneakyStephan
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This is how the universe first started. We are almost full circle.
Shit. I'm sitting here only now realizing the effects of the split memory pool in Durango. Fuck, I'm stupid D:
The 170GB/s is just what the GPU is able to be fed at peak bandwidth. Not that actual data will be transferred at that speed, which is actually separate (one pool @100GB/s, and a separate pool @68GB/s).
At least the SRAM isn't limited like the DRAM was in the Xbox360.
The 170GB/s is just what the GPU is able to be fed at peak bandwidth. Not that actual data will be transferred at that speed, which is actually separate (one pool @100GB/s, and a separate pool @68GB/s).
At least the SRAM isn't limited like the DRAM was in the Xbox360.
Joking aside, but it would be technically possible for MS to redirect you to their own adverts during an ad break. That would lead to some fun litigation.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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iamvin22
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brilliant idea haha
Paddington Bear
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Orbis is supposed to have 2 hdmi outputs
oversitting
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This is also something Im wondering. One thing Sram is good for is low latency read/write and pure random access. I guess 102GB/s will be able to pass through the entire memory dozens of times per frame so its enough?
We don't know how custom the Durango GPU so don't go by raw numbers or you will be wrong. It's just like when the Xenos and the RSX came out and everyone was saying that the RSX was more powerful because it could do more GFlops; the Xenos turned out to be a much much better gpu but the cell helped it a lot.
So was the ps3....
Paddington Bear
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It was a joke...
I'm guessing the eSRAM sits in a bus linked to the DDR3, GPU and DMEs (that northbridge in the diagram) as opposed to the way it was setup on the 360. Perhaps the multi way access inhibits the bandwidth. Pure speculation though
Edit:
Yeah i completely forgot about it being the external bandwidth even though we've been over that several times before
You're correct as far as i can tell. The ROPs usually do the actual blending or coalescing as you put it and main memory is way to slow to allow these affects to be added to the entire framebuffer usually
Boss Man
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Only $5 more a month and you can get Xbox Live Platinum™ which removes the Xbox ads that pop up in the middle of the movie that you got at Redbox. A great value, it's all about giving the user choices.
JonathanPower
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You guys are seriously Jaded over some ads on the Dashboard that you don't even have to look at. Just fucking click play game.
SneakyStephan
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Don't overreact, platinum is pretty much always on sale and those 5 bucks a month wouldn't even buy you a coffee at starbucks.
I had this exact reaction from someone on gaf a year back or so
edit: wow, it only took one post for someone to try and rationalise it
oversitting
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Well as many others have said this have been pretty much what we all expected it to be from the earlier leaks and speculation.
However I'm still interested to see the difference in games a few years down the line compared to Durango and Orbis with the 8Gb DDR3 vs the 4Gb GDDR5. but so far it feels like the Durango is made to be an all out solution for your living room with tonnes of apps and services running on it while the Orbis will be more of a pure gaming machine with some nicely integrated media features but nothing over the top.
But the HDMI in port is quite interesting in Durangos case. I think you might be able to plug in an HDMI from your Windows 8 PC and run the Metro interface directly on the TV with the Durango controller and in that way access all your PC features from a nice couch tv perspective.
However I'm still interested to see the difference in games a few years down the line compared to Durango and Orbis with the 8Gb DDR3 vs the 4Gb GDDR5. but so far it feels like the Durango is made to be an all out solution for your living room with tonnes of apps and services running on it while the Orbis will be more of a pure gaming machine with some nicely integrated media features but nothing over the top.
But the HDMI in port is quite interesting in Durangos case. I think you might be able to plug in an HDMI from your Windows 8 PC and run the Metro interface directly on the TV with the Durango controller and in that way access all your PC features from a nice couch tv perspective.