squarealex
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Same resolution both
Shadow is less quality on XSX
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[VGTECH] Crash 4 PS5 / XSX / XSS
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Shadow is less quality on XSX
Topher
Gold Member
Just like in... photo mode?
previous note: cutscenes no longer count
Note: cutscenes = photo mode
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
Trophies are linked to your PS profile, I still have trophies from the Vita/PS3 days, no PS+ account (well I got 1 month to transfer my saves from PS4 to PS5).
I lost save files a couple of times and my old trophies are still hanging around.
Mr_Potato
Banned
No they're not identical : "Stuttering unrelated to the frame rate can happen at some points on the Xbox consoles. This issue wasn't encountered on PS5. "
Plus, very slightly inferior framerate on XSX. And apparently slightly inferior shadows too like someone said ? Didn't check shadows.
There's something about stuttering on Series X, nearly every game has some form of stuttering, and PS5 has none. It was true in Valhalla cutscenes too, and other games... We need more tools and RDNA2 smart delivery of the teraflops.
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Mr_Potato
Banned
Yes, looks like a trend to me.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
deffo looks like we see pendulum swings from one console to another in these comparisons. Looking forward to seeing actual next gen games instead of all these last gen ports. What I find interesting is a saw some posts saying that the Xbox handles last gen engines better but it seems to be random on what games swing what way.
Wow Series S is more powerful than Series X!!!
Series S pushing the Series X. What a time to be alive...
Someone called it....just had the wrong console it was gonna be pushing.
Armorian
Banned
Resolution of series S version is good match the console power (and that is... rare), while this isn't the case on XSX.
Some ppl are still blind sided, suffering whiplash from the MS pr, PS5 FUD spreading the past 2 years. There needs to be a 12 step program like Narcotics Anonymous, Alcoholic Anonymous for this.
Anytime you see me saying the Series S is pushing anything.....please take it as me joking. Someone....I wont mention who....said this with serious intent about that console pushing the PS5.
Now that I think about it...I remember a certain former MS exec saying something similar as far as fps.... Certain ppl really, realy, really need to not get into the fanboy wars. It makes them look extremely silly.
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abel empire
Banned
Nobody cares about 55-60 frame drops this is just good for console warring,
Mr_Potato
Banned
it's not frame drops (well XSX also has frame drops, but they're minor), it's stuttering. Stuttering is always obvious and it's a problem, unlike minor frame drops.
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shenmue mugen
Member
Console wars is kind of fun in a sense that produces timeless gifs and memes and good laughs but that's about it. Some people in this forum seem to take things on personal level when defending their favourite consoles.
This generation has been VERY KIND AND GRACIOUS to those that can only afford ONLY one console and were worried that their system of choice would deliver a paired back experience in multiplat titles compared to the competition.
Putting all comparisons so far in a single basket the conclusion is that PS5 and Series X are on the same level and each one has it's own strenghts and weaknesses that will manifest themselves on specific ocasions in a way that is so minimal that nobody will be disappointed.
This generation has been VERY KIND AND GRACIOUS to those that can only afford ONLY one console and were worried that their system of choice would deliver a paired back experience in multiplat titles compared to the competition.
Putting all comparisons so far in a single basket the conclusion is that PS5 and Series X are on the same level and each one has it's own strenghts and weaknesses that will manifest themselves on specific ocasions in a way that is so minimal that nobody will be disappointed.
Mr_Potato
Banned
Sure, on that we can all agree. Both consoles are very close.
Note: cutscenes no longer count...got it.
previous note: cutscenes no longer count
Note: cutscenes = photo mode
I am dying. omg...lol.
abel empire
Banned
Theyd have to patch it if its major but it could be pointless since this are crossgen games like ive always said and even the remedy dev said recently suffer in nextgen consoles because of how they where made with old engines, apis, and so on,
Same problems happen on ps5 games having lower resolution than series x this isnt the consoles fault its those crossgen games and their code. Sometimes developers dont fix the issues because it takes more time and resources i personally just pray this crossgen era ends and we start comparing real nextgen games.
But about the stutters on series consoles i have a hunch its the io as you can see on this video at 5:20 it starts dropping soon as crash tales an elevator, on control its the same thing whenever level/asset streaming occurs every console including pc drops fps but not the ps5 so this might be an inherent io problem that people will have to live by.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
You mad about that lack of 1st party titles for a second gen in a row, "MadViking"?
waquzy
Member
Stutters? Ever heard of Riky and his VRR? There is no such thing.
If you didn't notice, both consoles drop frames in cutscenes. PS5 sometimes even more than Xbox.
And no, I'm enjoying my Playstation and Xbox consoles just fine, thanks for your concern.
dcmk7
Banned
Says the person who posted four times on the first pageAnother 0.1% win for the PS5? Time for a 10+ page thread
Mr_Potato
Banned
The problem is the stuttering more than the frame drops, and there's none on PS5 :
"Stuttering unrelated to the frame rate can happen at some points on the Xbox consoles. This issue wasn't encountered on PS5. "
Stuttering is a lot more perceptible than rare frame drops at 60 fps.
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sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Actually i didnt notice....im too busy having fun actually playing games instead of looking for little meaningless shit to nitpick about like you
MasterCornholio
Member
Just going by specs the Series X should be ahead in framerate during those drops. A little strange that it isn't. The game is almost identical on both platforms except for the difference in shadow quality.
It would be nice to have an explanation.
It would be nice to have an explanation.
Bittermich
Banned
this has nothing to do with hardware. It’s a developer problem.
Md Ray
Member
Going by TFLOPs and mem bandwidth, yes.
PS5's GPU has faster ROPs, rasterization.
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Bernd Lauert
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We're not reaching 10 pages out of nothingSays the person who posted four times on the first page
Jaysen
Banned
Cutscenes don't mean much, but on XSX, most levels in the second grouping of levels has really bad slowdown during gameplay at times that doesn't exist on the PS5. That's on the developer not the console. And this isn't the only game where the perceived CPU difference didn't show up. I played Immortals on PS5 and XSX and it's much much better on PS5. The XSX versions tears practically the entire time and has more frame rate issues than PS5. Oddly enough, the Xbox version loads much faster than the PS5 version. I'll chalk both issues up to cross-gen development issues.
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Can we apply this to poorer performing PS5 games?
Md Ray
Member
RX 6800 here has 50% more CUs and more TFLOPs than 6700 XT yet the smaller GPU is right on the bigger GPU's heels due to 6700 XT's higher clock speed.
Again, different games will favor different parts of the GPU. Same res on both PS5 and XSX, it's PS5 that comes out on top with a higher frame-rate due to its GPU being faster than XSX in rasterization and whatnot.
Look at RX 6800 vs 6700 XT. The 6800 has 50% more CUs, but the clock speed on 6700 XT is so high that it basically brings its performance on par with the bigger, more expensive 6800 GPU in this particular game. Of course, not every game runs like this but you get the idea.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Lazy ports don't make use of the new tools Microsoft implemented for the new generation.
But then the same dev also stated the series s was going to gimp next gen development. Even if third parties start dumping it Microsoft won’t for at least a few years.
So here’s my basic takeaway from reading what Xbox fanboys say.
At some unknown point in the near future, MS will have their “tool situation” all figured out. From that point, the full power of the series x will be on display. So third parties in some cases will marginally run better on the xbox. Meanwhile Sony’s devs tools for the ps5 will apparently have been frozen in time and will not improve in anyway. So at some point in the future where Sony has stopped trying to make the tools for their console better, dynamic resolutions will slightly favor Xbox. I don’t think a single non bc game has been favored on Xbox Series x in terms of frame rate so far so let’s assume that stays the same or at worst they are identical.
Even in this dream scenario we are talking about tiny differences in resolutions that are variable, where the ps5 may or may not dip down lower than the Xbox, however the ps5 will have as stable or a more stable frame rate, as well as dual sense support which is literally the most innovative thing I’ve seen so far this gen. the ps5 should also have better loading time and texture streaming across the board. For me even in the ideal scenario for Xbox, I’m still pretty sure I’d much prefer the ps5. Microsoft marketed the thing as so powerful and THE best place to play third parties, but that seems to be increasingly untrue. I’d have to see a game running at 4K at 60fps on Xbox and 30fps on ps5 before all that Xbox series x power gap shit actually matters I think.
And rounding back to my original point, in comparison to Sony’s first parties, Xbox first party titles will be at least somewhat limited in how ambitious they can be because no way in hell Microsoft lets even a single developer skip the series s. So first parties are just going to be across the board more impressive on ps5. And I’m basing that off the same source you are.
Man if you don’t absolutely love gamepass it must really suck being an Xbox guy this gen.
Jaysen
Banned
Mario Kart on Wii U dropped one frame every now and then and it bothered the shit outa me. Fortunately it got fixed on Switch. A drop from 60 of any kind is noticeable. People saying this is across all games on XSX are wrong. I had zero issues with Hivebusters or Horizon 4. This is most likely a case of MS needing to support third party devs better. Crash should not have been released like this on XSX.
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The Hamburglar
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100$ cheaper console with a smaller gpu is matching or besting series X.
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MasterCornholio
Member
How do you know that this game is a.lazy port?
Seems pretty solid on both systems.
Or are you just saying that because you expected a massive difference between the two?
Serious question.
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Another loss for the worlds most powerful console.Another 0.1% win for the PS5? Time for a 10+ page thread
Its only real wins are bc games that have bad ports to ps5 or devs has quickly upped the pro versions.
All launch games mostly better on ps5 given they were actually planned to realese from the start and have had suitable time and devs working on them properly.
The quick ports are where xbox has more options and is easier given the pc like path its gone on.
Also your not very good with percentages, at times its a pretty big difference in framerate. Like 10+ fps difference.
Whatever, enjoy your ps5, it's a great console too
fp
3/5 fps in cutscene? exactly they doesn't count and theyll never do at all if we are talking about the experience of the game
Note: cutscenes no longer count...got it.
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I'm bookmarking this benchmark comment
SkylineRKR
Member
Pretty good Series S version, then. Hits the original 1440p advertised resolution which is a considerable jump over the One X version that sometimes even dropped below 1080p. Framerate on S seems to be good.
this...next year those thread will be much more boring with consoles that mirror closer to their specs and roughly the same as we had in the last 3 years......then Ill ask to some where the famous "cerny magic" has ended ))
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Lysandros
Member
How about a better & faster GPU cache architecture and higher efficiency in compute in addition to that?
Point taken. And I can't wait to get ps5 for myself, but I'm not paying scalpers price. Recently the availability is getting better so hopefully I can get one soon.
Great Hair
Banned
the ps5 have a 0.5 vantage and half of that are in cutscenes
the bragging about this is basically an idiocy but let it do it
Topher
Gold Member
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
aren't all the wins for either consoles games that are cross gen?
oh sorry i re read your post. how do we know the xbox port of crash 4 isnt a bad port for the xbox?
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MasterCornholio
Member
I'm amazed at how calm he remains through that.
higher efficiency? pulled out of your ass i suppose?
no , and that's exactly the point. It would be better to have a DEV explain why things are differentJust like in... photo mode?
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Haven't watched the video yet. Previous comparison videos showed different shadow settings b/w the two consoles. Did VGTech present similar findings?
abel empire
Banned
your either playing games with binoculars, confusing stutters/ screen tear or with a frame counter on screen or maybe people are different cause i only notice 55-60 drops when digital foundry have a frame counter without the frame counters the game looks similar to me.