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"Virtua Fighter will never be online."
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EviLore said:
Oh so the netcode will miraculously predict what both players will do, how they will react to any given situation and in which timeframe they will react etcetera?
Why not just let the entire game predict for them then, that way they can do away with the boring part of actually playing and just watch some games all the time.
DenogginizerOS said:
I am also a card carrying member.
I do not understand how any company can spend millions of dollars on a multiplayer focused sku these days and not include online. It boggles the fucking mind. I am married with 2 kids. I don't have friends come over to "play nintendo" anymore K? Defend it all you want and give me ten reasons why it won't work, but I still won't buy it.
Which is a damn shame because the series is excellent.
SuperPac
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DenogginizerOS said:
I haven't bought any of the recent fighters outside of DOA:U and DOA4 for this same reason. Just like I wouldn't be apt to buy a next-gen FPS or racer or puzzle game that didn't have some type of online play. Kataoka saying it'll "never" be online just ensured that I'll "never" be buying a future VF. So thank you for saving me money, Sega.
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EviLore said:
I know bt what am I supposed to say.
The game was tested for distance lag, tested without any packet loss or whatever.
The only loss of speed they calculated was several distances and how any given distancewould influence the play and it simply did not work.
Netcode doesnt even come into play, it didnt work for online play as they wanted.
This was done for two reasons, inter arcade and console operability, it didnt even work for interarcade operations for arcades that are connected to vf.net trough fiberoptic systems, let alone home consoles.
If AM2 make an online fighter it will be one that is designed around online play so the experience to the consumers can be a guaranteed one.
VF Is Sega´s prime property(it launched a billion dollar bussuines for Sega after VF4 released) even more so then Sonic the Hedgehog, everyone here likes to bag on Sonic being crap these days(I agree) with the exception of Sonic Rush, yet it remains a million seller.
With VF Sega does everything it can to not screw up the game the fans love and now people bag on em for not diluting the franchise.
Sega cant win either way.
You guys also forget that IF they put in an online mode, they'd have to spend money to maintain servers, and other shit. Which is money they can use for other stuff..... like their money making Japanese arcades.
Most of you guys have no idea the online contents available in Japanese arcades nowadays, and not just with VF. It's obvious that from their point of view, the time and money is much better spent on other things. People play very little VF at home both in Japan and US, and even less of those will play it online. No point if you know what VF culture is really like in both regions, and Sega knows that.
Most of you guys have no idea the online contents available in Japanese arcades nowadays, and not just with VF. It's obvious that from their point of view, the time and money is much better spent on other things. People play very little VF at home both in Japan and US, and even less of those will play it online. No point if you know what VF culture is really like in both regions, and Sega knows that.
1) The fighting genre's prime is over
2) Arcades are nonexistant
3) Responsibilities prevent the older hardcore audience from seeking competition
4) Online play is expected by the youngins
5) Therefore, all competition is gone
6) Also, most of us don't work for videogame magazines where competition exists
For pete's sake, SC3 came out on PS2 instead of the arcade, what kind of evidence do you need that this genre needs to move forward and not stagnate?
So it plays different, SO WHAT? Put a warning before entering Xbox Live that states exactly that! Or put a director's commentary on the disc that states that even though the game plays completely differently online, he'd much rather have people actually play the game.
Christ, IF IT WAS ONLINE, perhaps more people would BUY VF, creating more LOCAL competition. Then these people would soon figure out THEMSELVES, that online play is broken. And I'd bet these new VF fans would still be willing to play locally! Anybody that backs Sega on this stupid decision is .... (takes a deep breath) not thinking straight enough.
2) Arcades are nonexistant
3) Responsibilities prevent the older hardcore audience from seeking competition
4) Online play is expected by the youngins
5) Therefore, all competition is gone
6) Also, most of us don't work for videogame magazines where competition exists
For pete's sake, SC3 came out on PS2 instead of the arcade, what kind of evidence do you need that this genre needs to move forward and not stagnate?
So it plays different, SO WHAT? Put a warning before entering Xbox Live that states exactly that! Or put a director's commentary on the disc that states that even though the game plays completely differently online, he'd much rather have people actually play the game.
Christ, IF IT WAS ONLINE, perhaps more people would BUY VF, creating more LOCAL competition. Then these people would soon figure out THEMSELVES, that online play is broken. And I'd bet these new VF fans would still be willing to play locally! Anybody that backs Sega on this stupid decision is .... (takes a deep breath) not thinking straight enough.
VF is a competitive game by nature...by removing online play it almost defeats the purpose.
I'm sure that regardless it will be an excellent game, and I'm still going to buy it when it gets cheaper. But the lack of online play really hurts any fighting game. Evo introduced lots of great concepts to promote replayability, but online play is the ultimate replayability feature.
AM2 probably has some legit reasons...but on the other hand there are other games that show it is technically achievable. If online isn't as good as offline...then simply make those matches unranked.
I'm sure that regardless it will be an excellent game, and I'm still going to buy it when it gets cheaper. But the lack of online play really hurts any fighting game. Evo introduced lots of great concepts to promote replayability, but online play is the ultimate replayability feature.
AM2 probably has some legit reasons...but on the other hand there are other games that show it is technically achievable. If online isn't as good as offline...then simply make those matches unranked.
jaundicejuice
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Srider said:
Microsoft and XBL say hello.
Also isn't Sony rumored to be creating a service akin to XBL?
Hajiki said:
Man your tag should read "official sega apologist"
They could add an online mode and even if it changed the fundamental experience there would always be the offline mode for people who want only the purest possible VF experience.
Why would anyone want them not to do this? It is a VALUE ADD FEATURE, it wouldn't take anything away from the offline game.
Hajiki said:
That's a lot more reasonable than your last post at least.
Anyway, they should recognize that there's no way to guarantee 100% of the experience of an offline game in an online game, when you're dealing with twitch genres. Seems they don't want to accept a "good enough," which is really a shame for all the people (myself included) that aren't able to get people to play VF with them in person.
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snatches said:
Nah Its a VF thing, I love good games and VF is one of the best I have ever played.
People think im a Sega fanboy but thats not entirely true either since I have no problem admiting the Sonic franchise went down the craper and that games like 18 wheeler etcetera are total shit.
If I feel passionate about a game I will defend it from here till kingdom come, especially when its a smaller title regardles of who the developer is(even if it would be EA, good thing they havent made a game I can feel passionate about in like forever, sadly Spore might change that).
So, if one were to have a discussion with you about reaction times and twitch gaming, you would naturally argue that Virtua Fighter requires faster reaction time, twitchier gaming, than first person shooters, right? The time or frames in which you have available to you to counter a move in first person shooters are inferior to Virtua Fighter? I'm not arguing either way here. Just clarifying that one genre which has been online for ages and which requires very fast reaction times and that you think it works for FPS's but not fighters. Unless you don't think it works for FPS's. That's a different storyHajiki said:
Okay, number one, there's like THREE fucking moves in the game that require 1/60th of a second timing windows. And even bearing that in mind, no one said online would be the place of hardcore tourney fighitng.
What I don't understand is WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY ABOUT SOMEONE WANTING AN OPTION?
If you don't like online, don't play it, but fuck, you guys sound like retards decrying the possibility of an online mode where you can't hit 3 moves consistently. Because we all know everyone who plays VF is absolutely perfect and never makes any errors, so the online mode would break everything for everyone. Even offline mode would have lag because of the online mode being an option AMIRITE?
God, I want to see the VF elitists, and the people who think Smash Bros is the deepest fighting game ever in a fight to the death.
What I don't understand is WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY ABOUT SOMEONE WANTING AN OPTION?
If you don't like online, don't play it, but fuck, you guys sound like retards decrying the possibility of an online mode where you can't hit 3 moves consistently. Because we all know everyone who plays VF is absolutely perfect and never makes any errors, so the online mode would break everything for everyone. Even offline mode would have lag because of the online mode being an option AMIRITE?
God, I want to see the VF elitists, and the people who think Smash Bros is the deepest fighting game ever in a fight to the death.
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EviLore said:
I know, it would be nice to have a good enough system but unles its nigh on perfect they wont do it.
And really, I am in the same boat you guys are for this, once its out I wont get to play VF5 unless I travel to Paris to the big Sega arcade there or during one of my trips to Japan.
Sega doesnt own any arcades around here in Belgium so we wont get the full setup for the game since not a single arcade will be able to afford it.
This hurts me as much as it hurts others here, maybe more since VF is a big part of my life(even to the point where I bought VF3 arcade pre release machine back in 96 just so I could play it) and one of the reasons we asked Kataoka about online play and kept asking until we got definitive answers and an explanation why was exactly becouse we knew how much people in the west want online play.
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drumlord said:So, if one were to have a discussion with you about reaction times and twitch gaming, you would naturally argue that Virtua Fighter requires faster reaction time, twitchier gaming, than first person shooters, right? The time or frames in which you have available to you to counter a move in first person shooters are inferior to Virtua Fighter? I'm not arguing either way here. Just clarifying that one genre which has been online for ages and which requires very fast reaction times and that you think it works for FPS's but not fighters. Unless you don't think it works for FPS's. That's a different story
It works better for FPS becouse its a different type of game, and even for LAN games I have seen and experienced problems with FPS games despite the fact that they are more forgiving then a one on one fighter.
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Nikashi said:
I am not angry, just passionate about VF and defending AM2s decision becouse of my passion for the game.
I am in no way or shape angry to those who are questioning AM2s decision, what slightly ticks me of are those who outright say they wont play the game becouse it lacks a feature it never had in the first place.
neondriver
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I didn't read through the whole thread (can't stand Fishie trying so hard), but that really sucks.
I planned buying this one for PS3 oder 360, but without an online mode I will pass...
DoA4 is so much fun online, no matter there's little lag sometimes.
Why not include it? It wouldn't change the offline mode at all! I just can't understand this decision... =(
Stupid, lazy Sega...
I planned buying this one for PS3 oder 360, but without an online mode I will pass...
DoA4 is so much fun online, no matter there's little lag sometimes.
Why not include it? It wouldn't change the offline mode at all! I just can't understand this decision... =(
Stupid, lazy Sega...
Why are people so angry at games that won't include a wanted feature?
Why do you guys buy games with shitty US dubs and no Japanese option?
Why did you guys buy any fighting games without online, or any sports game, fps, etc.
Arcade ports without arcade exclusive features?
Just cause VF is not including a feature that is impossible to get right, why won't people get it? Oh I know, cause you guys don't want it because it's VF, you guys want it cause it's a game that is considered by the media to be the best fighting game and you want to look like you are hardcore about games.
If people actually played VF because they like VF, they would have played it in the arcades like Tekken, and played it with their friends who also play it, and not just because they can play it "online."
Why do you guys buy games with shitty US dubs and no Japanese option?
Why did you guys buy any fighting games without online, or any sports game, fps, etc.
Arcade ports without arcade exclusive features?
Just cause VF is not including a feature that is impossible to get right, why won't people get it? Oh I know, cause you guys don't want it because it's VF, you guys want it cause it's a game that is considered by the media to be the best fighting game and you want to look like you are hardcore about games.
If people actually played VF because they like VF, they would have played it in the arcades like Tekken, and played it with their friends who also play it, and not just because they can play it "online."
DenogginizerOS
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Hajiki said:
Virtua Fighter 5. What will be the single feature they add to this version? Maybe another fighter or two. If you love the series so much, just play the previous games and wait until they do something really revolutionary besides make it prettier and add a new "duck" feature. Hell, I am falling asleep typing thinking about how the evolution of these games moves at a glacial pace.
DenogginizerOS
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pictures a teenage girl screaming at her parents after they told her she can't go to the beachSrider said:
What the fuck? Can you read? At all?
You expect me to drive well over an hour to play VF4 in arcades? The closest location to me probably doesn't have any competition in the first place. I'm not the only person here in this situation.
And again, what do you want me to do? Force my friends to play VF4? Jam it down their throats? Act like an asshole when they want to play other fighting games? I've enjoyed matches of VF3tb and 4, but only one of my friends actually enjoys the game. Matches are few and far between, but I enjoy them. So, wanting an online mode means that I only want to look hardcore? Fuck off.
shoplifter
Member
Every fucking week, I swear.
I agree with Hajiki
Kabuki Waq
Member
all i know is that online fight is fun even with some lag. FUN remember FUN?
fuck sega and their stupidity. Why not have the option at least?
fuck sega and their stupidity. Why not have the option at least?
Tain said:
Wait, where were you the last time the US vf players flew to Japan to play VF? oh I guess you aren't hardcord enough...
Now you see why vf player look like elitists, they are not, they are just obsessed enough about the game to drive, to fly, to spend thousands just to play this game even though they are completely abandoned by Sega of Japan. So yeah, I do think you just want to look hardcore, because everything that you wouldn't do, the hardcore VF players do every day.
Matlock said:
:lol @ you using DOA4 online to prove that VFNext is viable.
Two entirely different games, only one of which is actually any good, and which requires absolutely no lag to remain faithful to the series gameplay.
THAT SAID, VF should still have an online mode. As people have noted, they don't have hardcore friends. I don't either, truthfully. I have to seek them out if I want to play at my level. I wouldn't play VF online - it would rape the gameplay and defeat the reason I play VF in the first place - but it should definitely be an option for those who are willing to deal with this fact.
Blackie{BA}
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VF5 -1 Sales
No Online = I don't buy another VF game
No Online = I don't buy another VF game
Fishie flop oog
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Tain said:
Its what I do
Lol if you people actually think Namco and SEGA would put games like Tekken, Soul Calibur and VF. For sega and namco to do something like that means direct competition with respective arcade business.
Fact people --- SEGA and Namco want the communties that these games generate in arcades, not online /console.
VF = segas biggest arcade moneymaker
Tekken/Soul Calibur = Namco biggest arcade moneymaker
Fact people --- SEGA and Namco want the communties that these games generate in arcades, not online /console.
VF = segas biggest arcade moneymaker
Tekken/Soul Calibur = Namco biggest arcade moneymaker
shoplifter
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Seriously, they tried it, it didn't work to THEIR SATISFACTION (remember, its their name on the game, not yours,) and they decided that they weren't putting it in.
You people complaining that it's not there would be the first ones bitching if it were and it didn't live up to your expectations.
You people complaining that it's not there would be the first ones bitching if it were and it didn't live up to your expectations.
Fishie flop oog
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Srider said:
We are definitly NOT abandoned.
Sega does whatever they can within certain boundaries to acomodate for western fans(the fact that VF4 Evo got released at all in the US is testament to that).
Reality remains though that VF doesnt even need the west, its an insanely profiteable franchise in Japanese arcades alone, let alone home versions.
Srider said:
Maybe these people actually like VF and are disappointed it's going this direction?
I don't know, I'm certainly not whining. I know that provided it stays the course, Virtua Fighter V will be the greatest fighting game ever once again. But I still think they should include the online mode. I don't have to play it so it doesn't bother me if they do, ya know?
shoplifter said:
That's not a good argument, imo. It's the consumers money. If they like a product, but want something included... and it never happens, they have the right to complain AND take their money elsewhere.
The Faceless Master
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having online play, at least in the USA and Europe, would not only push more people to play the game, but actually push more people to play offline after playing online and learning more about the game than they ever would just playing their button mashing friends...
or at least that's my theory... sega seems to think differently...
or at least that's my theory... sega seems to think differently...
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Amir0x said:
QFT, I agree with this man(I assume he is a man, one never knows on the internet).
Actually, I thought new card based stuff and medal games (Dragon Chronicles, Key of Avalon, Mushi King, Dragon Treasure, Quest of D, Druaga Online, MJ-net, World Club Champion Football Series, etc) were the big new arcade moneymakers? I can't imagine Soul Calibur or Tekken are much of a draw though, they've always been bigger at home it seemed.Andrew2 said:
The Faceless Master said:
Yeah that's what I don't get. You'd think VF fans would love for new people to discover the series.
And let's quit the exagerations. Not being able to punish a move properly is not going to OMG COMPLETELY RUIN the game. You could still learn the basics of the gameplay. Lag is not going to turn VF into Rise of the Robots.
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