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[DarkLordMalik]

You guys missed the point. It was not about which game got it first. Did i say it was exclusive to TLOU? The only reason i posted it was because how they nailed the lighting in the game. Does it matter if it looks pre-baked or not, especially if it looks so damn good?

The point of my post was not to start a discussion about consoles having something better in graphics because in graphics, PC will mostly triumph consoles. But it was about how smart uses of such graphical rendering techniques can also make a game look beautiful, even if the hardware is dated.

The subtitles are not by me, they were in the DF Tech Analysis video. I just made the GIFs but obviously i failed to get my point across. Carry on with your elitism PC-GAF.

 

[Dictator93]

You can make any game look good when you make 540px × 303 gifs of it.

Even the last of us.

Funny thing about htose Gifs is that you can still see the aliasing shimmering in them.

Wait... Is there anything I'm missing on this thread? The Last of Us looks bad, or mediocre now?

No one said bad. It is artistically quite wonderful. Just not the second coming as some would like everyone to think.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

It only does everything. At the same time, on old ass hardware, well.

Everything and well!? Crysis 1 does more than TLOU and TLOU runs poorly.

 

[Enco]

TLOU has some beautiful parts but generally the jaggies and blurriness are overpowering.

 

[KKRT00]

Wait... Is there anything I'm missing on this thread? The Last of Us looks bad, or mediocre now?

Its great looking console game, but its not 2010 anymore, tech advanced so much further and it just does not look good for 2013 next-gen standards, yet some people claim otherwise which is just incorrect.

 

[OverHeat]

Wait... Is there anything I'm missing on this thread? The Last of Us looks bad, or mediocre now?

Game look good for the hardware it's running on.

 

[mephixto]

Wait... Is there anything I'm missing on this thread? The Last of Us looks bad, or mediocre now?

Is the best game I played so far this year and one of the best this gen, also is the best looking game on the PS3, but when you compare it with PC games, technically looks bad.

 

[Coolbgdog12]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I have a 7870 in my computer and it can toot it's own horn if you get what i mean. Saying that, TLOU has graphics that kind of blew me away. The lighting and the pain staking detail in the world create one of the best looking games I've played. It may not be technically superior to say Tomb Raider maxed out or Crysis but I damn sure like looking at it.

 

[OverHeat]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I have a 7870 in my computer and it can toot it's own horn if you get what i mean. Saying that, TLOU has graphics that kind of blew me away. The lighting and the pain staking detail in the world create one of the best looking games I've played. It may not be technically superior to say Tomb Raider maxed out or Crysis but I damn sure like looking at it.

Some scene yeah but others hell no.

 

[Metalmurphy]

1st gif- non volumetric view dependent light shafts? Yeah... games ahve had that since like 2007.

Not sure if that's the case in that gif, but the game does have volumetric light shafts. Hell even U3 did.

 

[sp3000]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I have a 7870 in my computer and it can toot it's own horn if you get what i mean. Saying that, TLOU has graphics that kind of blew me away. The lighting and the pain staking detail in the world create one of the best looking games I've played. It may not be technically superior to say Tomb Raider maxed out or Crysis but I damn sure like looking at it.

I know. It looks better than most next gen games.

 

[creyas]

Everything and well!? Crysis 1 does more than TLOU and TLOU runs poorly.

Do you mean the original or the console release? Crysis 1 looks quite dated and wasn't exactly smooth at the time on a 8800 either.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Who said that it looks like next gen game? On PS3, it is a big NO! But if we can somehow get a remaster on PS4 with 1080/60p and AA to remove jaggies, it will definitely be a looker and could be mistaken for next gen easily.

 

[creyas]

Who said that it looks like next gen game? On PS3, it is a big NO! But if we can somehow get a remaster on PS4 with 1080/60p and AA to remove jaggies, it will definitely be a looker and could be mistaken for next gen easily.

1080p would probably be too revealing with all the cardboard houses around. 720p level definition without jaggies would likely be better to hold up the facade IMO.

 

[Rushersauce]

Do you mean the original or the console release? Crysis 1 looks quite dated and wasn't exactly smooth at the time on a 8800 either.

Quite dated? Really? lol

 

[hesido]

Deep down teaser is atrocious in quality. I remember noticing how bad it was even with the quick cuts.

 

[Dictator93]

Do you mean the original or the console release? Crysis 1 looks quite dated and wasn't exactly smooth at the time on a 8800 either.

I ran it quite well on my 8800 GT SLI at release.

Also... it defintely does not look "dated."
Ha!

 

[DarkLordMalik]

1080p would probably be too revealing with all the cardboard houses around. 720p level definition without jaggies would likely be better to hold up the facade IMO.

Naughty Dog always create their art/assets in very high resolution and then downscale to PS3 resolution. It means that there is a huge chance that we might get a PS4 remastered version of Uncharted Trilogy and TLOU at 1080p. I think that these games can hold very well at 1080p.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Do you mean the original or the console release? Crysis 1 looks quite dated and wasn't exactly smooth at the time on a 8800 either.

Crysis is the last game I'd call dated.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

Naughty Dog always create their art/assets in very high resolution and then downscale to PS3 resolution. It means that there is a huge chance that we might get a PS4 remastered version of Uncharted Trilogy and TLOU at 1080p. I think that these games can hold very well at 1080p.

All devs do this.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Now the lighting is somehow close to the best on pc? You have to be trolling

Clearly he never played trackmania 2 (or again, planetside 2)

 

[Dictator93]

Wanted to test something out...
Noticed how horrible FXAA is for still/moving imagery and what it does to art assets.

For example... Crysis 3 below looks good obviously... but a lot of the art looks muddy, uncrisp and still pretty aliased as a result of the FXAA I took the screen with. I would not be surprised if Killzone is also suffering from this image quality problem right now. I can only hope they get better AA solution by release... it is obvious that a lot of their assets are very high quality at their highest LODS and would benefit immensely from a more competent AA solution.

 

[TheD]

That KZ SF shot has far more problems than just a post AA blur.

Take a look at that horrible shadow stippling on the foliage!
It also seems to lack much in the way of AF, the trees have pretty low res textures noticeable from even that screen shot's distance and based off shots like this

I would not say the other assets look that great.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Just people saying it looks better then pc games then backlash as far as i can follow it.

It does look better than a lot of pc games. For example, it's more beautiful to look at than Arma 3.

 

[MoneyHats]

That's got to be the most idiotic comparison on neogaff EVER. Figured it would be come console gamer that finally did it.

You do know that Rome Total war is rendering THOUSANDS of those units, running AI, animations, pathfinding, etc, right? Vs like 5 or 10 character max on that terrible Ryse game for the Xbone.

Jeebus, do your research before you make yourself look like a tool.

I know, and why these technicalities aren't considered when looking at Dead Rising 3 is beyond me

 

[Dictator93]

That KZ SF shot has far more problems than just a post AA blur.

Take a look at that horrible shadow stippling on the foliage!
It also seems to lack much in the way of AF, the trees have pretty low res textures noticeable from even that screen shot's distance and based off shots like this

I would not say the other assets look that great.

Oh yeah, totally agree with you (that character model of the SMG helghan looks like crap tbh).
I was mainly referring to their asset showcases for weapons and character models in studio lighting conditions.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

I know, and why these technicalities aren't considered when looking at Dead Rising 3 is beyond me

Because DR3 is still ugly when you look at it.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

That KZ SF shot has far more problems than just a post AA blur.

Take a look at that horrible shadow stippling on the foliage!
It also seems to lack much in the way of AF, the trees have pretty low res textures noticeable from even that screen shot's distance and based off shots like this

I would not say the other assets look that great.

Some really low res textures on that Helghast model. Just look at the pouch.

 

[TheD]

Some really low res textures on that Helghast model. Just look at the pouch.

Yeah, I am really surprised the textures are that bad.
I wonder if KZ SF was a PS3 game at some point and stuff like that is left over from that time.

 

[Zeth]

Next gen games will endure some growing pains as they start improving assets optimized for 1280x720.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Next gen games will endure some growing pains as they start improving assets optimized for 1280x720.

I thought assets were created high res and scaled down, Which one is it?

 

[nib95]

Some really low res textures on that Helghast model. Just look at the pouch.

The character models are being improved before release, GG have already stated as much. I expect KZ SF to be improved on many fronts before release. The core campaign was actually finished a couple of months ago, so they've had and have time to continue to keep polishing.

Guerilla is not a dev you doubt on graphics and technical ability without expecting to eat copious amounts of crow.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

I thought assets were created high res and scaled down, Which one is it?

High res then scaled down.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Guys, remember, Killzone: SF is coming at launch. A launch title is no way to judge the graphical capabilities of a new console.

Did GEOW launch with Xbox 360? No. It launched about 1 year later. Similarly, PS3 games that showed its graphical capabilities properly didn't start appearing on the console until in 2009 or essentially 2 years after its release.

Despite being a launch title, it looks mighty impressive. Yes, it has its ups and downs as well as evident in screenshots but if the devs had a few extra month or year to further polish the title, we would've been seeing different result.

 

[Dictator93]

The character models are being improved before release, GG have already stated as much. I expect KZ SF to be improved on many fronts before release. The core campaign was actually finished a couple of months ago, so they've had and have time to continue to keep polishing.

Guerilla is not a dev you doubt on graphics and technical ability without expecting to eat copious amounts of crow.

Where did they explicitly say they are improving character models?

 

[nib95]

Where did they explicitly say they are improving character models?

I don't have a link, but in one of the threads somewhere there was a titbit about how the devs mentioned at a presentation or talk that there were new improved models that would be in the game (as shown off in the slides and in the presentation) and that the one's in the reveal demo's were older models.

EDIT: Tbh, you can already see the improvements.

 

[RK9039]

Guys, remember, Killzone: SF is coming at launch. A launch title is no way to judge the graphical capabilities of a new console.

Did GEOW launch with Xbox 360? No. It launched about 1 year later. Similarly, PS3 games that showed its graphical capabilities properly didn't start appearing on the console until in 2009 or essentially 2 years after its release.

Despite being a launch title, it looks mighty impressive. Yes, it has its ups and downs as well as evident in screenshots but if the devs had a few extra month or year to further polish the title, we would've been seeing different result.

That's true, but I thought PS3 games eventually started looking better because developers became a lot more experienced with the PS3 hardware which wasn't common?

Now that the next gen consoles are more closer to PC (I think?), doesn't that mean there won't be as much improvements as the years go by because developers should be more familiar with the hardware straight away?

 

[Pops Maellard]

It does look better than a lot of pc games. For example, it's more beautiful to look at than Arma 3.

Hah, no. It's not. The Last of Us is a nice looking game for what it's running on, but it's a jaggy, blurry, low resolution mess in motion and the frame rate /chugs/ if there's any semblance of activity visible. I respect what Naughty Dog was able to accomplish with the game, but it's very difficult to play if you haven't been gaming exclusively on console for the last 8 years.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

That's true, but I thought PS3 games eventually started looking better because developers became a lot more experienced with the PS3 hardware which wasn't common?

Now that the next gen consoles are more closer to PC (I think?), doesn't that mean there won't be as much improvements as the years go by because developers should be more familiar with the hardware straight away?

More in common doesn't mean it is easy to max it out right from the start. Cerny calls "GPU Compute the new SPU of Cell" and it took developers quite some time to understand how to effectively utilize the SPUs in their games.

Also this experience with hardware thing is not limited to PS3 only. Look at the past hardware like PS1/PS2. Look at earlier PS2 titles and then look at GOW 2 that was released at the end of the console life cycle. The developers were able to maximize the potential of the hardware because of their experience working with them. The development tools are also improved with time.

 

[Rushersauce]

It does look better than a lot of pc games. For example, it's more beautiful to look at than Arma 3.

Buahahaha oh wow!

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

Take a look at that horrible shadow stippling on the foliage!

Reading stuff like this just reminds me how much I don't care about any of this technical nonsense. Seriously, what the fuck are you even saying.

 

[Scrabble]

That's true, but I thought PS3 games eventually started looking better because developers became a lot more experienced with the PS3 hardware which wasn't common?

Now that the next gen consoles are more closer to PC (I think?), doesn't that mean there won't be as much improvements as the years go by because developers should be more familiar with the hardware straight away?

360 was just pc hardware and that certainly saw a hell of a lot of improvement over its lifetime. Just compare Halo 4 and GOW Judgement to Condemned, Perfect Dark Zero, Quake 4, etc.

 

[Scrabble]

Buahahaha oh wow! Some people here are quite comedians.

Are comments like this really necessary?

 

[KageMaru]

Considering the hardware these demos and games were running on, the downgrade was expected.

 

[Stallion Free]

Considering the hardware these demos and games were running on, the downgrade was expected.

But if you give them enough time it will turn into an upgrade.

 

[Smash88]

But if you give them enough time it will turn into an upgrade.

Not if the hardware is holding it back. No amount of coding can bypass that key factor.

Also I've been calling it, these are tech demos, run on PCs what did people honestly expect those games to look like that on a console? LOL, come on.

Can't wait to play all these multiplats maxed out. Gonna be great.

 

[Stallion Free]

Not if the hardware is holding it back. No amount of coding can bypass that key factor.

The key factor is coding to the metal. With that anything is possible.

 

[TheD]

Reading stuff like this just reminds me how much I don't care about any of this technical nonsense. Seriously, what the fuck are you even saying.

Look at the bottom of this pic

near the VG24/7 logo, see that strange patten on the scrubs?

And if you do not care, do not post.

 

[NBtoaster]

Except for the fire, there's nothing about the Deep Down reveal that should be too hard for PS4 hardware. It wasn't CG or a target render.

 

[Rushersauce]

Are comments like this really necessary?

Yeah, my bad. Edited.