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[Can Crusher]

What do you mean by average PC? Why average? (which would by numbers be some sort of centrino machine in a public library) and not mid tier 2013 built pc?

Well when I say average, I mean average gaming PC that the devs target for.

The value proposition is completely subjective. As the topic of the thread points out, visual compromises are being made even on next gen consoles, and the people who find those compromises to be undesirable will either have to deal with it or shell out for better hardware. Some people feel that the benefits of the more powerful hardware justify the cost. Others don't. To each his own.

Well yeah everything is always subjective. That's a non argument, since I can say that about literally everything.

Obviously we can only start talking about what kind of visual compromises are being made when we have those games available to compare. Until then it's really naive to believe that downgrades in tech demos are exclusive to consoles, because we really don't know how the games will look like on PC.... until they launch. (U4 downgrade isn't exclusive to consoles for example)

And obviously, throwing a party about better but small details over a 399$ system when you are rocking a 1000$ system always looks stupid. It's only worth throwing a party if you start getting multiple games throughout the years that really explore the capabilities of your 1000$ system.

Otherwise it's just common sense, that a much more expensive and powerful system will be able to deliver better visuals. Making some mental gymnastics trying to convince the world why that's impressive, and why consoles suck because of it, is just hilarious. Specially when games are the main factor, and again the big budget 1st party games won't be available on PC... which is going to turn into multiplatform land next gen. And in the end, at 1080p image quality will be really damn good on consoles.

 

[Kun Aguero]

The Planetside 2 developer already said the PS4 version will look like the PC version maxed out.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586486

Zombie devs said the same about Blacklight Retribution during the live stream, in fact they went further and said the PS4 looks better than the pc version.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Zombie devs said the same about Blacklight Retribution during the live stream, in fact they went further and said the PS4 looks better than the pc version.

I distinctly remember them saying that it looks like PC on high.

 

[TheCloser]

the hell are you talking about? AMD are about to release the 9xxx series which is rumoured to have a single-chip flagship faster than titan.

You should go read the rumors about what amd are going to do with their cpus and then you might understand what I'm talking about when I say there is a shift in focus to apus. We all know their going to release their 9xxx cards but if you think the pc market will stay like that forever, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Dictator93]

Well when I say average, I mean average gaming PC that the devs target for.
.

The thing about this that does not make sense to me is that Devs developing multiplatform on PC next gen will be targetting hardware that is equal to or better than consoles for their "target build." So I am not sure what you mean.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

What is this thing meant to do, it swallows you and you go right out the other side?. Da fuck?

One of my most anticipated iOS games.

 

[TheCloser]

The thing about this that does not make sense to me is that Devs developing multiplatform on PC next gen will be targetting hardware that is equal to or better than consoles for their "target build." So I am not sure what you mean.

Like I said earlier, Cancrusher is correct. The average gaming pc is not more powerful than the ps4.

 

[Can Crusher]

The thing about this that does not make sense to me is that Devs developing multiplatform on PC next gen will be targetting hardware that is equal to or better than consoles for their "target build." So I am not sure what you mean.

That you believe devs are going to shut off over two thirds of the Pc market is incredibly naive.

For the next 2 to 3 years, consoles will deliver better visuals than your average gaming pc.

 

[Dictator93]

Like I said earlier, Cancrusher is correct. The average gaming pc is not more powerful than the ps4.

Which average PC?

I do not understand what you mean... do you mean multiplatform devs will target PC specs and settings for their optimal build that are worse then next gen consoles?

That has never been the case.

Anecdotally.. just because your friend has a 260 and you think it is average... does not mean that is the case. Nor does that mean necessarily that all of a sudden game devs only target one performance spec on PC.. in fact... they target many. Hence the differences in settings for individual cvars (low, med, high, ultra).

That you believe devs are going to shut off over two thirds of the Pc market is incredibly naive.

For the next 2 to 3 years, consoles will deliver better visuals than your average gaming pc.

PC targets multiple tiers of performance. low, med, high, and ultra/enthusiast.

AND YES, PC games have ben made before which alienate huge portions of the market... because those portions of the market usually would not buy it anyway. (think crysis 3 , battlefield 3, just cause 2... etc... and their tech bottom lines).

 

[ghst]

You should go read the rumors about what amd are going to do with their cpus and then you might understand what I'm talking about when I say there is a shift in focus to apus. We all know their going to release their 9xxx cards but if you think the pc market will stay like that forever, you are sadly mistaken.

you expressly stated it was about AMD vs. nvidia. there is zero sign that AMD have any desire to back out of the traditional GPU market.

Like I said earlier, Cancrusher is correct. The average gaming pc is not more powerful than the ps4.

the average gaming PC built today would have atleast a mid range i5 and a $200 videocard (so a 7950 3GB). this is substantially more powerful than a PS4.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

That you believe devs are going to shut off over two thirds of the Pc market is incredibly naive.

For the next 2 to 3 years, consoles will deliver better visuals than your average gaming pc.

Absolutely true since most of the world doesn't have anywhere near a rig to run modern PC games at their best. Unless some consider running their games in 1024x768 windowed mode enjoyable

the average gaming PC would have atleast a mid range i5 and a $200 videocard (so a 7950 3GB). this is substantially more powerful than a PS4.

No argument from me on this. I'm just speaking on the rest of the world who lives in huts or less than ideal situations or just don't have the money for a meager PC build which would be considered even low end by 2013 standards.

You're right on the point with your spec talk though. Many on GAF are enthusiast gamers so we probably share the same sort of gaming related PC specs since we obviously like to talk about PC games enough so we must be enjoying them and able to actually run them.

 

[EightBitNate]

One of my most anticipated iOS games.

Lol

 

[SapientWolf]

Well when I say average, I mean average gaming PC that the devs target for.



Well yeah everything is always subjective. That's a non argument, since I can say that about literally everything.

Obviously we can only start talking about what kind of visual compromises are being made when we have those games available to compare. Until then it's really naive to believe that downgrades in tech demos are exclusive to consoles, because we really don't know how the games will look like on PC.... until they launch.

And obviously, throwing a party about better but small details over a 399$ system when you are rocking a 1000$ system always looks stupid. It's only worth throwing a party if you start getting multiple games throughout the years that really explore the capabilities of your 1000$ system.

Otherwise it's just common sense, that a much more expensive and powerful system will be able to deliver better visuals. Making some mental gymnastics trying to convince the world why that's impressive, and why consoles suck because of it, is just hilarious.

If you understood the subjectivity of the matter then you would also understand why it's not stupid to have the power and flexibility you need to get the exact play experience you want. If you can afford it it's probably the smartest choice to make. Completely customizing your experience to suit your needs is the purest way to explore the capabilities of your $1000 system.

Flexibility on graphical options is where consoles suck the most right now. Graphical features for next gen launch games are being cut right before our eyes and none of us have any say in it.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I could build a $700 rig that spanks the pants off a PS4. But lets keep on insisting that all gaming pc's cost $1200 lol

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I'm expecting a link to Steam surveys any second now

 

[SneakyStephan]

Like I said earlier, Cancrusher is correct. The average gaming pc is not more powerful than the ps4.

Words only a console gamer would think to have any meaning to them (if it were correct, which it isn't)

pc games have never been designed for the average joe's pc, for the past 20+ years new pc games would push older and newer pcs alike.

the quakes, dooms, battlefields (the real one not the current console garbage) , unreal tournaments, painkiller, tribes, total war, soldier of fortune, Operation flashpoint , flight simulator etc all targetted high end cutting edge pcs.

Even today stuff like planetside 2 , ns2, starcraft 2 , total war games and arma were not made for people with a shitty duel core cpu or low end gpu.

The only games that don't are console ports (targetted at the lowest common denominator aka the piddly console hardware) and indie games and the odd casual game like the sims.

 

[Horp]

But, if there was for some reason a PC version of TLOU, it would be one of the best looking games ever. It's amazing what they were able to do on PS3.

Yes it definitely is. The point of my post was kind of a way of illustrating the way some people can like something so much that they become completley blind to its faults. The next time I'll illustrate the same issue using Dark Souls. It is probably my favourite game of all time, and I can't get enough of it but still: Summoning Failed, GFWL, Bad port before Lord Durantes fix. Loving something shouldn't have to mean you can't see that there are problems with it.

 

[TheCloser]

you expressly stated it was about AMD vs. nvidia. there is zero sign that AMD have any desire to back out of the traditional GPU market.



the average gaming PC would have atleast a mid range i5 and a $200 videocard (so a 7950 3GB). this is substantially more powerful than a PS4.

Firstly, I never said that and is backing out of the traditional gpu market but that they are trying to change the market. The idea is to continue to deliver high end gpus but integrate them into apus and they will have a competitive advantage.

Secondly, at the bolded part, Lol. If you think that is representative of an average gaming pc, wow. Lol.

 

[TheCloser]

Words only a console gamer would think to have any meaning to them (if it were correct, which it isn't)

pc games have never been designed for the average joe's pc, for the past 20+ years new pc games would push older and newer pcs alike.

the quakes, dooms, battlefields (the real one not the current console garbage) , unreal tournaments, painkiller, tribes, total war, soldier of fortune, Operation flashpoint , flight simulator etc all targetted high end cutting edge pcs.

The only games that don't are console ports (targetted at the lowest common denominator aka the piddly console hardware) and indie games and the odd casual game like the sims.

You are talking to someone who bought the gtx 680 for $600 at release. Okay.

 

[ghst]

Words only a console gamer would think to have any meaning to them (if it were correct, which it isn't)

pc games have never been designed for the average joe's pc, for the past 20+ years new pc games would push older and newer pcs alike.

the quakes, dooms, battlefields (the real one not the current console garbage) , unreal tournaments, painkiller, tribes, total war, soldier of fortune, Operation flashpoint , flight simulator etc all targetted high end cutting edge pcs.

The only games that don't are console ports (targetted at the lowest common denominator aka the piddly console hardware) and indie games and the odd casual game like the sims.

for example, here are the recommended specs from three ambitious forthcoming PC releases:

arma 3:

OS:Windows Vista SP2 or Windows 7 SP1
Processor:Intel Core i5-2300 or AMD Phenom II X4 940 or better
Memory:4 GB RAM
Graphics:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 or AMD Radeon HD 7750 with 1 GB VRAM or better
DirectX®:11
Hard Drive:20 GB HD space
SoundirectX®-compatible

x: rebirth:

OS: Windows 7 SP1 (64-bit)
Processor: Intel i5 (Quad) or i7 at 2.5GHz or AMD equivalent
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVidia GT500 series with 1GB RAM or better, ATI 5870HD with 1GB RAM or better
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Hard Drive: 10 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card
Additional Notes: These specs are still being determined.

rome 2: total war:

Recommended:
OS:Windows 7 / Windows 8
Processor:2nd Generation Intel Core i5 processor (or greater)
Memory:4GB RAM
Graphics:1024 MB DirectX 11 compatible graphics card.
DirectX®:11
Hard Drive:35 GB HD space
Additional:Screen Resolution - 1920x1080

bear in mind that recommended (especially in regards to GPU requirements) almost always means good performance at respectable settings rather than maxing anything out.

 

[2real4tv]

I could build a $700 rig that spanks the pants off a PS4. But lets keep on insisting that all gaming pc's cost $1200 lol

Do it and post it.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

for example, here are the recommended specs from three ambitious forthcoming PC releases:

arma 3:

OS:Windows Vista SP2 or Windows 7 SP1
Processor:Intel Core i5-2300 or AMD Phenom II X4 940 or better
Memory:4 GB RAM
Graphics:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 or AMD Radeon HD 7750 with 1 GB VRAM or better
DirectX®:11
Hard Drive:20 GB HD space
SoundirectX®-compatible

x: rebirth:

OS: Windows 7 SP1 (64-bit)
Processor: Intel i5 (Quad) or i7 at 2.5GHz or AMD equivalent
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVidia GT500 series with 1GB RAM or better, ATI 5870HD with 1GB RAM or better
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Hard Drive: 10 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card
Additional Notes: These specs are still being determined.

rome 2: total war:

Recommended:
OS:Windows 7 / Windows 8
Processor:2nd Generation Intel Core i5 processor (or greater)
Memory:4GB RAM
Graphics:1024 MB DirectX 11 compatible graphics card.
DirectX®:11
Hard Drive:35 GB HD space
Additional:Screen Resolution - 1920x1080

Hey, I can run those games with no issue on my 670SLI/3930K rig

 

[Kun Aguero]

I distinctly remember them saying that it looks like PC on high.

Just watched the relevant part again and it's the guy asking the question who said it looks better than the pc version. The dev responded saying it's fully maxed out.

 

[TheCloser]

for example, here are the recommended specs from three ambitious forthcoming PC releases:

arma 3:

OS:Windows Vista SP2 or Windows 7 SP1
Processor:Intel Core i5-2300 or AMD Phenom II X4 940 or better
Memory:4 GB RAM
Graphics:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 or AMD Radeon HD 7750 with 1 GB VRAM or better
DirectX®:11
Hard Drive:20 GB HD space
SoundirectX®-compatible

x: rebirth:

OS: Windows 7 SP1 (64-bit)
Processor: Intel i5 (Quad) or i7 at 2.5GHz or AMD equivalent
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVidia GT500 series with 1GB RAM or better, ATI 5870HD with 1GB RAM or better
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Hard Drive: 10 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card
Additional Notes: These specs are still being determined.

rome 2: total war:

Recommended:
OS:Windows 7 / Windows 8
Processor:2nd Generation Intel Core i5 processor (or greater)
Memory:4GB RAM
Graphics:1024 MB DirectX 11 compatible graphics card.
DirectX®:11
Hard Drive:35 GB HD space
Additional:Screen Resolution - 1920x1080

lol, non of these games are what we would refer to as popular. The average gaming pc is one built between 2009 to 2011. If you think everyone upgrades as frequently as pc gaf, you are truly mistaken. You should really consider going to other parts of the world where pc gaming is popular like in Africa, Russia and other parts of Asia

 

[velociraptor]

why? as evidenced by their supersampled bullshots, sony have been more than content with pushing undeliverable visions of their games. this is a climate where they are fighting tooth and nail for any grain of positive publicity, a climate in which there are huge gains to be made by curbing a few truths and very few repercussions.

given the stakes, it's not hard to start factoring in logic like "this GTX 680 is just here to emulate the optimisations which will be made before the game ships".

We have direct feed gameplay for KZSF and Second Son. You be the judge.

 

[ghst]

lol, non of these games are what we would refer to as popular. The average gaming pc is one built between 2009 to 2011. If you think everyone upgrades as frequently as pc gaf, you are truly mistaken. You should really consider going to other parts of the world where pc gaming is popular like in Africa, Russia and other parts of Asia

http://www.techspot.com/news/53536-pc-gamers-fuel-hardware-sales-in-otherwise-stagnant-market.html

JPR notes that gaming is becoming an even more important purchasing influencer of PC sales, and with some titles pushing the envelope on both the CPU and GPU, hardware upgrades often involve more than just swapping out the graphics add-in board. Using Bohemia Interactive's ARMA 3 as an example, the company says it is estimating over $800 million of PC builds influenced primarily by this title.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/17/total-war-rome-2-fastest-pre-ordered-total-war-game-to-date-series-had-2-million-sales-in-2012/

SEGA has announced that Total War: Rome 2 is the fastest pre-ordered Total War game to date, with over six times the number of pre-orders its first official week compared to Shogun 2. The Collector’s Edition has also pre-ordered well, with over half the available copies already sold out in the US. The firm also said Total War sales hit 2 million last year “without a major release,” to support the series. Those who pre-order the strategy title get the first DLC, The Greek States Culture Pack, free on the day of release. Rome 2 is out September 3.

ultra niche. i'm surprised they even got past greenlight.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

This is now my most successful thread surpassing even the Xbox DRM reversal thread. :lol

 

[Dictator93]

lol, non of these games are what we would refer to as popular. The average gaming pc is one built between 2009 to 2011. If you think everyone upgrades as frequently as pc gaf, you are truly mistaken. You should really consider going to other parts of the world where pc gaming is popular like in Africa, Russia and other parts of Asia

ehm. Yeah... seriously. wat?

 

[2real4tv]

Actually he got it right
Particles physics - non of 1st party does this [explosions: C3]

Maybe I am misunderstanding what this is but I thought Killzone 2 smoke reacted with wind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6kdLNGncNI

 

[TheCloser]

http://www.techspot.com/news/53536-pc-gamers-fuel-hardware-sales-in-otherwise-stagnant-market.html



http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/17/total-war-rome-2-fastest-pre-ordered-total-war-game-to-date-series-had-2-million-sales-in-2012/



ultra niche. i'm surprised they even got past greenlight.

The article refers to the amount spent on pc in dollars. All that tells us is that those who have the expendable incomes are upgrading at a quicker pace than those who do not. It does not dictate what the average gaming pc is. 2 million of sales on pc is nothing. Those numbers are not close to WoW, LoL, world of tanks and other f2p games that dominate the pc gaming landscape. Go and look at the system requirements for those games. Lol, 2 million players. World of tanks, 45 million players. Okay.

 

[ghst]

The article refers to the amount spent on pc in dollars. All that tells us is that those who have the expendable incomes are upgrading at a quicker pace than those who do not. It does not dictate what the average gaming pc is. 2 million of sales on pc is nothing. Those numbers are not close to WoW, LoL, world of tanks and other f2p games that dominate the pc gaming landscape. Go and look at the system requirements for those games. Lol, 2 million players. World of tanks, 45 million players. Okay.

don't forget minesweeper and hearts.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

This is now my most successful thread surpassing even the Xbox DRM reversal thread. :lol

It's like a mall, it got a bit of everything.

 

[alexandros]

Do it and post it.

I posted a $600 PC a few pages back. With $100 extra dollars for a better GPU I'd say he's right, it's quite doable.

 

[mephixto]

We have direct feed gameplay for KZSF and Second Son. You be the judge.

lol, we posted screens from those direct feed many times in this thread, that clearly show downgrade but any people said the screens were from alpha builds, youtube quality, jpeg compression and many other excuses that I don't remember.

lol, non of these games are what we would refer to as popular. The average gaming pc is one built between 2009 to 2011. If you think everyone upgrades as frequently as pc gaf, you are truly mistaken. You should really consider going to other parts of the world where pc gaming is popular like in Africa, Russia and other parts of Asia

Really? is like saying that the Last of Us is not popular on PC.

 

[Zeth]

I posted a $600 PC a few pages back. With $100 extra dollars for a better GPU I'd say he's right, it's quite doable.

Then you need to add in the cost of a nice TV, keyboard, mouse, and Windows Pro license. Round and 'round we go!

 

[velociraptor]

lol, we posted screens from those direct feed many times in this thread, that clearly show downgrade but any people said the screens were from alpha builds, youtube quality, jpeg compression and many other excuses that I don't remember.

Eh?

Current footage looks more than adequate. It appears people are posting specific screens in an attempt to tell everyone 'SEE! I TOLD YOU THIS GAME LOOKS SHIT!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjQ4DJXLzw&feature=share&list=UUy7Pjs6-k_NdHWTcRZLzWAg

If this looks bad to you then I don't know what to say.

Although I'm curious - what PS4 game has received a graphical downgrade from Sony's first party?

 

[@____@]

Then you need to add in the cost of a nice TV, keyboard, mouse, and Windows Pro license. Round and 'round we go!

Agreed. The PS4 doesnt cost $400. You need atleast another $400-500 for a capable 1080p TV. You need a couch or chair to sit on. You need your electric bill paid for. A house/ apartment to play it in. Damn. You're looking at atleast $1500-2000 just for the first month!

 

[Dictator93]

Eh?

Current footage looks more than adequate. It appears people are posting specific screens in an attempt to tell everyone 'SEE! I TOLD YOU THIS GAME LOOKS SHIT!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjQ4DJXLzw&feature=share&list=UUy7Pjs6-k_NdHWTcRZLzWAg

If this looks bad to you then I don't know what to say.

Although I'm curious - what PS4 game has received a graphical downgrade from Sony's first party?

Watchdogs most definitely has since its reveal... and one could easily argue that there is a crapton of pop in in that most recent killzone forestry scene. That one you just posted was from reveal time in feb.

Then you need to add in the cost of a nice TV, keyboard, mouse, and Windows Pro license. Round and 'round we go!

Same thing for a console basically: replace some of those mentions with more console specific accessories...

 

[ghst]

Eh?

Current footage looks more than adequate. It appears people are posting specific screens in an attempt to tell everyone 'SEE! I TOLD YOU THIS GAME LOOKS SHIT!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjQ4DJXLzw&feature=share&list=UUy7Pjs6-k_NdHWTcRZLzWAg

If this looks bad to you then I don't know what to say.

Although I'm curious - what PS4 game has received a graphical downgrade from Sony's first party?

this whole two and a half thousand post thread is about games mysteriously receiving a downgrade since the reveal and you're here at page 27 posting reveal footage.

 

[SniperHunter]

lol, we posted screens from those direct feed many times in this thread, that clearly show downgrade but any people said the screens were from alpha builds, youtube quality, jpeg compression and many other excuses that I don't remember.



Really? is like saying that the Last of Us is not popular on PC.

Are you serious? At least wait for the final version...itwas an unfinished build running on unfinished hatdware six months from release. You can't be serious with the downgrade bullshiy

 

[velociraptor]

Watchdogs most definitely has since its reveal... and one could easily argue that there is a crapton of pop in in that most recent killzone forestry scene. That one you just posted was from reveal time in feb.

Watch Dogs, when initially revealed, was not shown on next-generation hardware. It was running on a high-end PC. But yes, Watch Dogs has suffered a downgrade. There is no dispute over that. I've been critical of Ubisoft myself and I don't hold any trust that they will deliver the same standard of visuals as depicted by their recent E3 footage of The Division.

Regarding Killzone - nope. That's hardly an indication of a downgrade. As things stand, the visuals are equal to the February reveal. And I don't see what that has got to do with anything. It was direct feed footage recorded, live, from the PS4 (with the PS4's share functionality no less). Good enough for me.

 

[velociraptor]

this whole two and a half thousand post thread is about games mysteriously receiving a downgrade since the reveal and you're here at page 27 posting reveal footage.

You're the one who has incorrectly suggested all games have received a downgrade. This is not true at all.

 

[ghst]

And I don't see what that has got to do with anything. It was direct feed footage recorded, live, from the PS4 (with the PS4's share functionality no less). Good enough for me.

never buy a used car.

 

[Nocturno999]

you expressly stated it was about AMD vs. nvidia. there is zero sign that AMD have any desire to back out of the traditional GPU market.



the average gaming PC built today would have atleast a mid range i5 and a $200 videocard (so a 7950 3GB). this is substantially more powerful than a PS4.

That is sad. I already ordered a 770 GTX in Amazon and will wait for Gamescom's announcements before deciding if I cancel my PS4 preorder.

PS4 is a great option for console only players but for PC owners with a mid range build there's little incentive besides a few exclusives although
I can see the console maturing into something greater, but software wise only.

 

[alexandros]

Then you need to add in the cost of a nice TV, keyboard, mouse, and Windows Pro license. Round and 'round we go!

You could have made the effort to at least take a look at my build before commenting. I assembled a $605 PC with a 7870 GHz Edition graphics card, 8GB of RAM, a Blu-Ray player, keyboard and mouse AND a copy of Windows 8.

Edit: Unless it's sarcarm, I can't tell.

 

[velociraptor]

never buy a used car.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[mephixto]

lol, non of these games are what we would refer to as popular. The average gaming pc is one built between 2009 to 2011. If you think everyone upgrades as frequently as pc gaf, you are truly mistaken. You should really consider going to other parts of the world where pc gaming is popular like in Africa, Russia and other parts of Asia

Are you serious? At least wait for the final version...itwas an unfinished build running on unfinished hatdware six months from release. You can't be serious with the downgrade bullshiy

Explain this to me. Why the footage from the Killzone reveal(february) looks tons better that direct feed of the game at E3(June)?

 

[Can Crusher]

Maybe those who believe they can build a tower + controller device + headset for 700€, that is much more powerful than the PS4, they should do so and rock it for the next 4 years or 5 and prove it. Time to put up or shut up, because the price keeps going down.

 

[velociraptor]

Explain this to me. Why the footage from the Killzone reveal(february) looks tons better that direct feed of the game at E3(June)?

This was shown at E3. This is the same scene which was shown in February.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJGeVS-w8dg

oh noez, downgrade confirmed!

 

[StevieP]

I think that was more xbo than PS4 though. For PS4 we've had deep down, infamous, AC4, The Order, QD demo, etc confirmed to run on dev hardware. Basically all the impressive demos.


This seems to be the prevailing opinion in the dev community. Devs were at wits end over the past generations set of processors and it had nothing to do with raw power of them. If your CPU is shitty with logical operations there isn't many uses for it out side of minorly assisting graphics tasks. Or majorly in PS3s case.

There's almost nothing in engine design math intensive enough to justify the need for a beefy CPU these days. A flexible one seems a lot
more important these days.

No, not just on the Microsoft end...