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Vita 3000 trademarked?
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John Bender
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Try it in a WiiU thread, have fun being quoted and shamed for 14 pages.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Read through every post in this thread and dare to tell me it's a persecution complex. It's not a complex. You simply cant read a Vita thread without countless hate posts or snide jokes.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Not through custom file transfer. It wasn't even a software hack, it's a hardware mod to the drive if I remember correctly.
Point is, you can lock down existing data storage like MicroSD and you can even rely on common storage formats like the PS3 does with USB and FAT without opening yourself to exploits. PS3 was hacked at some point, but only a very specific model and firmware. Having the ability to use USB keys and just willy nilly copy from and to them didn't affect that. Vita memcards are just there to rake in more money, which ironically failed since many people hate the Vita because of them.
Also, I can use a USB key on my Wii U which isn't hacked neither. It's a bullshit excuse by Sony.
Listen, all of security comes down to proper encryption and integrity checks. It has nothing to do with the memory cards they use. The PSP exploits were mostly due to stack smashing and general buffer overflows, which are not affected by the underlying storage medium but the data fed into poor programming.
^ probably not as secure. No doubt it should have been built in with a 4 or 8GB card though. A lot of vitas come with one now.
also searching 360 usb hack comes up with a lot.
It's okay in Vita threads, hence why you see it all the time.
also searching 360 usb hack comes up with a lot.
It's okay in Vita threads, hence why you see it all the time.
bobawesome
Member
B-but all the loli games and ports.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Both of those are great, though :3
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I'd be down for a new model, but I still think the price is too high. They need to get it down from $200 to $150-$160 for the base model. Maybe the new model will help with that.
This. Love you man.
Based on the image it looks like it's taking design cues from the 2000 where the screen has some weird border around it that makes it look like you can pop it out. I can't tell how much space the back touch pad takes up either. I'm not really a fan of those design choices in the 2000 but I was considering getting one as a backup, now I'll wait and see how this pans out. HDMI out would definitely be incentive to get it, being able to plug in the device to the TV (not that I ever really get TV time anymore) and then unplugging and taking that same device on the road sounds awesome. MicroSD card support would be an instant sale for me but I'm sure that's not going to happen.
bobawesome
Member
This is true.
The specification for SD is open, while Sony's are closed. It is by based on the SD specification, but with extra encryption. It's also noted that the card also prevents file system access at all, which a custom file system won't prevent since the SD is, yes open.
Also, the integrity checks are also performed by hardware inside those memory cards. Much harder to exploit than it being based on software since it needs decapping, analyzing etc.
Just some extra: Dumps of RAM, SD, NAND are almost always used to exploiting. Which is then used to gather information for exploiting later. Due to that, you can undub games on the ps3 on newest FW( right now actually), install PSP games etc. The 360 was a BIG blunder by leaving the JTAG intact in retail consoles.
Zing... But seriously I don't see why they would try again.
Outside of the front shot, which looks like the new PS Vita slim, these look exactly like the official product shots for the original Vita: http://imgur.com/a/aZ0kK
Is the original Vita at $99 yet?
Heh, Nintendo is still making WiiU games so that can't be used against it...
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
The specifications of SD card may be open, but that doesn't mean they couldn't employ a custom file system that is stored on SD cards. Just like I can format an SD card with any file system I want, Sony could create their own file system that only their proprietary software can interface with. In that software they could then enforce the integrity checks.
They didn't invent their own hard drives for the PS3, did they? SATA specification is also publicly known and you can get raw byte access to the PS3 storage drives (just like you could with an SD card in a Vita) but yet I don't see the PS3's security measures hacked to bits. What's with that?
KojiKnight
Member
……forgetit
Member
Think skin bro, I'm a big Nintendo fan but I can admit when they're fucking up.
Memorabilia
Member
Unless this has standard memory cards what's the point?
PhantomVash808
Member
If this has SD card support I'll take the plunge and finally buy a Vita. I know I already should have a great library thanks to my years of being a PS+ subscriber.
Cheaper components, cost reduction, price drop?
……forgetit
Member
The memory cards are a big seller for Sony, so I doubt they're going away, but my guess is cheaper components, lighter weight and a thinner device.
I don't think it counts as persecution complex if Vita is really being shit on at every turn.
Of course it's just a machine so there's really no need to be upset about it, but it's also completely fair to point out that the "no games" posts are stupid.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
On what planet have Nintendo fans had to deal with anywhere close to what Vita fans have put up with for 3 years straight? Hell Wii U seems to be the GAF darling these days.Nintengaf yourself some thicker skin then
And having thick skin was my original point. It's only because our skin is so thick that we even find tbe courage to stay here in spite of the constant negativity.
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lyrick
Member
As an owner of a PlayStation TV I can honestly say that it's the worst supported gaming platform ever released.
Not only do Myriads of digital PSP & PSOne games not work on the platform for reasons unknown, but a large chunk of the Vita Library does not either.
The file system access itself is no guarantee to a hack, it's used for gathering information. The only reason Sony chose their memory cards are due to them needing profits due to selling the console itself at a loss, also to restrict how many people how may get to access the file system, thus information on the system itself. Also, tell me how many of the exploits uses an the SD card(USB based) as the vector for attack where you copy something to the file system itself. The 3DS for example uses SD cards. ALL exploits there are using the SD card as the exploit vector since they can write stuff to the card itself, even though the files are encrypted.
AcademicSaucer
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Theonik
Member
Security through obscurity is hilariously bad practice if Sony hadn't implemented real security underneath it would have been busted yesterday.
Edit:
Has Sony actually officially attributed the decision to piracy anyway?
Sangetsu-II
Member
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
But just making access to the bytes harder is classic self-delusion. Security by obscurity is the first thing you learn to avoid when you learn about security and cryptography because it's always better to just employ an authentication scheme that withstands attacks despite being open. And the SD card access isn't the problem with 3DS hacks, the problem is poor programming which falls apart upon arbitrary data injection. I know these exploits that just pump a save game with faulty data into a game. The problem isn't the data access, but that the game doesn't check the integrity of the data it is fed.
JPeeples83
Member
I would buy a new Vita for video-out. I was amazed that the Vita-2000 didn't have it...and then Sony Japan announced Vita TV and I wasn't shocked anymore.
RevolverRoden
Member
Yup. I haven't bought a Vita game since 2013. And I bought the Vita launch day.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
if you can use normal microsd/sd cards ill buy a new one