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Warhammer 40K Universe v.s. Marvel Universe: Who Wins?
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Ive only read the first dune book but it seems like star wars would take them. Am I wrong?
And do what?
This is my point. Power at a point has no impact on a planetary scale.
Two terminators teleport in, and kill the government. Then what happens?
Does the USA fold if someone kidnapped Airforce One with the president on it?
Obviously not.
Ultimately, to conquer a planet realistically you either need *astonomical* levels of troops, or the threat of a planet killer (even just sitting in outer orbit tossing rocks is good enough). Taking out the established heads of government doesn't help you conquer a world, in fact it makes it harder because you just removed the chain of command that you want to surrender.
Ultimately, having super troopers wouldn't be a huge boost in warfare now in modern armies. When it comes to fighting on a planetary, or interplanatary, scale it's your ships and your big weapons that have an impact not some space marines. Unless the entire nature of warfare changes in the future, the idea that your elite legions are guys really good at close range shooting and hitting people in the face with swords is just not viable.
No, not at all. Going off the original dune books, dune was a very 'low tech' interstellar empire. Nukes were still their ultimate, end game weapon and their economy and social structure was very much (by design) a feudal system that restricted scientific development. Dune's brilliance as a novel and a setting wasn't about the amazing technology and power they had, was more about the ideas and stories within that.
And then there's the Kevin Anderson / Brian Herbert stuff, which I'm fairly sure is one of the heralds of the coming of the dark lord it's that terrible.
Coriolanus
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I'm aware. The problem aint the warp, tho. The problem is the facets of chaos, and those were not there from the start, as evidenced by the birth of Slaneesh. We don't quite know how much of emotion X is needed before a facet is born.
Plus, as already mentioned, there are people in marvel that can rewrite the universe without the warp. Push comes to shove, franklin can create a new universe without it, move everybody to the other side, give 40k the finger and call it a day.
Victor can do whatever Steve can do in regards to resisting outside influences, btw.
Can't quite see the difference the Nids have from, say, the Brood, aside from raw mass.
Can quite clearly see Hulk challenging whoever's leading the MegaWaaaagh, eating them, assuming leadership because Hulk is the Greenest and Meanest There Is, and then throwing the orks at the nids.
...gods i want a hulk x orks crossover so bad now. HULK NEEDS MORE DAKKA!
Put it all in Susan Richard's womb.
... and in some dark place somewhere, Nathaniel Essex's pants exploded.
An assault on earth by the space marine would eventually lead to their defeat.
Space Marines would face their ultimate enemy on Earth. A foe found in every house on the planet, and there are several of them inside each house. So easy a use, a babby or a cat can use them.
A human sized doorway.
Space marines are too big to navigate inside our buildings and houses without hitting and scrapping against everything.
WE SHALL FIGHT THEM IN OUR HALLWAYS
Space Marines would face their ultimate enemy on Earth. A foe found in every house on the planet, and there are several of them inside each house. So easy a use, a babby or a cat can use them.
A human sized doorway.
Space marines are too big to navigate inside our buildings and houses without hitting and scrapping against everything.
WE SHALL FIGHT THEM IN OUR HALLWAYS
The big E would curbstomp the shit out of everyone.
The wh40k universe is so OP and insane. I think that they would win.
The Big E, while the single most powerful being in 40k, err, 30k, has nothing on the insanity that marvel brings. Even the Storm of Emperors Wrath, which was only attributed to him (due to him being... indisposed at the moment), wiped out a fleet. What he was seen to do was plop a power plant to Warp momentarily
You need to re-read your 40k fluff. Tzeentch doesn't intend to win, since then he couldn't plot anymore.
Trojita
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Chaos will exist as long as sentient life exists.
There's a chance chaos would corrupt Franklin with his use of psionics. His powers also greatly vary depending on the writer and universe.
Tyranids have very specialized versions of warriors that are continually evolving. If you use a weapon on them, the next time you use the same weapon, they will be resistant to it. Their sheer number in the Milky Way Galaxy and their attack forces appear to be a lot larger than Broods based on appearances of both in media. A Tyranid Swarm is fucking ridiculous. When taking over a planet they devour ALL organic material and use it to make more Tyranids. I don't think there is really any comparison.
Indrid Cold1
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Are we allowing for the possibility of marvel's psykers to be corrupted by the warp? Chaos professor X? Chaos Phoenix? Chaos Franklin Richards maybe?! They would wreck some shit up.
More_Badass
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Agreed. It's a get-out-of-jail free card that makes any kind of reasonable discussion on these topics useless
"But so and so can this, and this faction is able to do this, and..."
"Reality warping"
"But..."
"Nope, reality warping"
MistakenMobius
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Somme generic consideration regarding 40k:
The emperor is "alive" in the Golden Throne, his mortal body might be dead but the millennia of being adored as a god allows him to this neat trick:
* powering the astronomicon : allowing ships to navigate the warp on long distance.
* keeping at bay the four gods of chaos
* miracle left and right
* IIRC, all astropath and psyker have actually received some power from the emperor.
* Chaos is actually currently afraid of having him to die: his death would allow him to become a God (in the 40k sense] for real.
It probaby doesn't hold a candle to cosmic Marvel, but i,'m pretty sure that outside of writer wills, most characters of the marvel will get corrupted quickly.
The emperor is "alive" in the Golden Throne, his mortal body might be dead but the millennia of being adored as a god allows him to this neat trick:
* powering the astronomicon : allowing ships to navigate the warp on long distance.
* keeping at bay the four gods of chaos
* miracle left and right
* IIRC, all astropath and psyker have actually received some power from the emperor.
* Chaos is actually currently afraid of having him to die: his death would allow him to become a God (in the 40k sense] for real.
It probaby doesn't hold a candle to cosmic Marvel, but i,'m pretty sure that outside of writer wills, most characters of the marvel will get corrupted quickly.
TetraxShards
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And what of what you've written isn't "writer wills"? This is GW we're talking about, they practically invented the Author Saving Throw.
MistakenMobius
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The Imperium is on the losing side in 40k.
Usually except for CIAPHAS CAIN HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, the reason for loss or victory is usually coherent in universe.
If Marvel had any internal coherency, earth would be a footnote.
I mean why captain America is always tagging along in most cosmic event yet he is supposed to be only peak human.
What about all the continuity where supers where killed by simple sentinels?
Usually except for CIAPHAS CAIN HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, the reason for loss or victory is usually coherent in universe.
If Marvel had any internal coherency, earth would be a footnote.
I mean why captain America is always tagging along in most cosmic event yet he is supposed to be only peak human.
What about all the continuity where supers where killed by simple sentinels?
It's a fact of life in the Marvel universe, you can't ignore it. It's why doing a *blank* vs. Marvel is a waste of time.
MistakenMobius
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What about Xelee, The Shrike or Time LordsDalek
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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This thread reminds me of how funny it is that marvel still tries to market itself as taking place in a world like our own
TetraxShards
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What about Xelee, The Shrike or Time LordsDalek
The Shrike is a big metal tree, the equivalent of fighting evil Christmas decorations.
The Xelee could be wiped out by the Infinity Gems or "No more Xelee." Being omnipotent doesn't give you a saving throw against being attacked with your own omnipotence.
There is a Marvel reality where the Time Lords and Daleks exist (Marvel publshed Doctor Who comics in the 70s and 80s). The Time Lords would end up losing because the Doctor would help the Earth, and his Phlebotinum is bigger than yours.
The Daleks are a joke, and that's coming from someone with a Cyberman avatar. As Moffat said, they are the most defeatable force in the universe. Pretty much the only thing that keeps them going is they are unkillable as a species, one will always pop up somewhere. The Doctor has way more deaths from suicide than have been caused by the Daleks. They're simply a bit rubbish, but still we love them.
I would like to see the Imperium of Man vs. the Daleks vs. the Borg, that caused plenty of fights in my gaming group in college.
Honestly when it comes to Sci-Fi my favorite match is Halo vs Mass Effect. Granted depending on how the fight is set up (ie if Forerunners are involved), Halo could curb stomp ME.
Hell one Forerunner Keyship could probably wipe the Reapers out and be home in time for dinner.
Forgive my extremely limited knowledge of 40k (I browse a wiki now and then while waiting for the bus) but I thought one of the last saving graces of humanity was Leman Russ finding some tree and restore the emperor to.. full health?! Is having him just die a better option theoretically?
How fast is the story of 40k progressing, like could the emperors fate be revealed in my lifetime or are they milking it slowly?
Trojita
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There are two thoughts in Warhammer 40K Lore.
If the Emperor dies:
1: He just dies.
2: He dies but comes back as a literal god, one that is thought to be more powerful than the chaos gods would hope to be.
If he dies, no matter what, the 40k war is over. They'd have to reboot. The Imperium would either win or lose at that point.
TheLostBigBoss
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What would happen if 40K just sent all the marvel super heroes into hyper drive without a Gellar Field?
TetraxShards
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The odds are good that the Illuminati would figure out the Imperium's tech before this happened. Remember, their tech is run by priests who think the whole thing works because the Emperor wills it so and they have rituals to build stuff because they don't know how to do it themselves. They're in a Dark Age technologically. I don't think there's a techpriest who'd compare to Stark or Doom for instance in terms of ingenuity.
You're also assuming the races would all work together, which is....unlikely at best. My feeling is the Orks would get greedy and try to take out some Space Mahreenz, and it all goes horribly wrong from there.
lifa-cobex
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I always thought the Emperor would just die. I mean he practically is dead.
On the warping arguments for the 40k universe....
Warping is severally dangerous for space marines. They barley understand how it works.
Trojita
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Warping in 40K works like this
Sacrifice 10,000 Psykers a day to keep the Emperor "alive" powering the map.
Have the forcefield up to withstand the affects of the warp.
Hope the forcefield stays up.
Hope you don't get corrupted.
Hope you don't get killed.
SillyEskimo
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After putting waaaay too much thought into this, I have come to the conclusion that 40k would win.
My reasoning is that a head to head would be highly unlikely. The chaos gods alone could work their evil magic behind the scenes and subvert all the power that the super heroes have, including the reality warping super entities. I think those would be the first to fall actually, by being driven mad or recruited to the side of chaos. So those guys are a moot point at best and at worst they are the puppets of chaos. Nurgle alone could crank out a galaxy wide super illness that would kill every living thing in the Marvel universe. All of the super hero powers in existence mean nothing when all the beings you live to protect die all around you.
Beings like Adam Warlock, Dr. Strange, and all the other magic users and supernatural beings would die at the hands of the Grey Knights and their specialist equipment.
The scale of a single hive fleet invasion alone is counted in the billions and trillions. And that's only the tip of the iceberg of the greater threat. The rumor is that the Tyranids are actually fleeing from something that terrifies them!
Super heroes have day jobs, have fun, and take a break once in awhile. In the meantime, the world of 40k is a nonstop meat grinder of carnage where billions and billions of people die every fucking day and no one really gives a shit. The 2 are hardly comparable, but it's a fun thought experiment.
My reasoning is that a head to head would be highly unlikely. The chaos gods alone could work their evil magic behind the scenes and subvert all the power that the super heroes have, including the reality warping super entities. I think those would be the first to fall actually, by being driven mad or recruited to the side of chaos. So those guys are a moot point at best and at worst they are the puppets of chaos. Nurgle alone could crank out a galaxy wide super illness that would kill every living thing in the Marvel universe. All of the super hero powers in existence mean nothing when all the beings you live to protect die all around you.
Beings like Adam Warlock, Dr. Strange, and all the other magic users and supernatural beings would die at the hands of the Grey Knights and their specialist equipment.
The scale of a single hive fleet invasion alone is counted in the billions and trillions. And that's only the tip of the iceberg of the greater threat. The rumor is that the Tyranids are actually fleeing from something that terrifies them!
Super heroes have day jobs, have fun, and take a break once in awhile. In the meantime, the world of 40k is a nonstop meat grinder of carnage where billions and billions of people die every fucking day and no one really gives a shit. The 2 are hardly comparable, but it's a fun thought experiment.
FlyingSaucer
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W40K universe wins if only by sheer numbers.
Captain Tuttle
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And the harder humanity fights the stronger Chaos gets, humanity is doomed in 40k,unless the Emporer returns and it's no guarantee that would work.
Schweinehund
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At the first book probably, but toward the end they develop space ships that can travel without spice and have a more formidable army than storm troopers. They don't have jedi, but on the flip side their shields prevent laser guns (well, it kills everyone in a nuclear blast if they shoot it with a laser gun) so everyone is in melee, and I don't think that includes lightsabers either.
Manmademan
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you're overlooking something rather important. The abstract powers in the marvel universe are all sentient, and horrifically overpowered.
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This one is Death. not a god OF death, the actual concept, given a will of it's own. Can render everything in the MU completely immortal and unkillable at will. Nothing dies, ever.
Also interesting that Chaos and Order themselves are also sentient entities there. Same deal. Throwing Chaos at Chaos is probably not going to work very well.
Imagine that spacetime itself was pissed at warhammer 40K and wanted it dead.
what are you going to do? kill spacetime? what happens then? At these kinds of levels of insanity, numbers are meaningless. With a single infinity gem, the combined armies of warhammer could be aged ten billion years in seconds and crumble to dust. or evolved backwards into zygotes and protozoa. There's no way to fight that shit.
Manmademan
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perhaps we're going too high end though, abstract powers are broken. We don't even need to go anywhere near that high.
I theorize there's nothing in warhammer capable of stopping the Phalanx.
The Phalanx are shapeshifters and can appear as anything. They can replicate abilities they come in contact with. They can hijack any tech used against them immediately as soon as it's in range- turning it on the user or rendering it worthless. Physical attacks against them are pointless, they'll just reform. They adapt immediately to everything else- energy attacks, sonic attacks, psychic attacks, gravity attacks. Immune to all illness and disease because they're not alive per se. They can sustain themselves by draining life force directly from opponents (or at least the technarchy does, the phalanx has always been kind of unclear here).
Are you biological in origin? congratulations, you're now phalanx, whether through physical contact or airborne means. the process takes anywhere from seconds to minutes before you're part of the hive mind.
The Phalanx overran the entire Kree empire in a matter of weeks, and blocked the entire galaxy off behind a force field no one could penetrate. Throwing "trillions" of meat shields at the phalanx is the quickest way to lose.
I theorize there's nothing in warhammer capable of stopping the Phalanx.
The Phalanx are shapeshifters and can appear as anything. They can replicate abilities they come in contact with. They can hijack any tech used against them immediately as soon as it's in range- turning it on the user or rendering it worthless. Physical attacks against them are pointless, they'll just reform. They adapt immediately to everything else- energy attacks, sonic attacks, psychic attacks, gravity attacks. Immune to all illness and disease because they're not alive per se. They can sustain themselves by draining life force directly from opponents (or at least the technarchy does, the phalanx has always been kind of unclear here).
Are you biological in origin? congratulations, you're now phalanx, whether through physical contact or airborne means. the process takes anywhere from seconds to minutes before you're part of the hive mind.
The Phalanx overran the entire Kree empire in a matter of weeks, and blocked the entire galaxy off behind a force field no one could penetrate. Throwing "trillions" of meat shields at the phalanx is the quickest way to lose.
By warp I don't mean faster than light travel. I mean the open question of how Marvel heroes would react to the insanity of the immaterium.
40k as a setting is permanently frozen at 'five minutes till midnight'. Things are so thoroughly screwed that the almost likely outcome is that the Imperium collapses and everything gets even worse for humanity. Either that or some miracle occurs with the Emperor. Either way if the plot advances 40k in its current form ceases to be. Hell GW is currently focusing on 30k stories to fill in the absurdly sprawling back-story.
40k as a setting is permanently frozen at 'five minutes till midnight'. Things are so thoroughly screwed that the almost likely outcome is that the Imperium collapses and everything gets even worse for humanity. Either that or some miracle occurs with the Emperor. Either way if the plot advances 40k in its current form ceases to be. Hell GW is currently focusing on 30k stories to fill in the absurdly sprawling back-story.
Manmademan
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I had to look up "the immaterium".
astral planes of psychic energy (plural) already exist within marvel. Even non psychics can be trained to navigate it, or engage in combat there and there are a LOT of psychics. On top of that interdimensional travel is EXTREMELY common. Theres a score of mid-tier entities on marvel earth alone that think nothing of teleporting themselves in and out various hells to conduct their business. Odin tossed all of Asgard into the negative zone once because he was bored.
Stuff like this that doesn't follow the laws of physics and is by definition indescribable can't be compared between fictional universes. The warp could be far more extreme and insane than what exists in Marvel or it might not. It's why I called it an X factor.
Manmademan
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lol! did you just reference "the laws of physics" when talking about fictional comic book universes?
laws of physics don't really apply when you're talking about taking day trips to hell, or throwing one pocket dimension inside of another pocket dimension.
"extreme or insane" or not (google the "Cancerverse", then come back), interdimensional travel and astral planes already exist there. Everyone goes all the time. The answer to "what happens if they get sent to the immaterium" is that they simply have someone create a portal, or tear apart dimensional barriers via magic, super science, or vague cosmic force and simply leave.
SixMachine
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To be honest, whenever I see these kinds of thread with marvel in it, there is always a description of something that makes it sound way more threatening than reading the comics. It's some weird dissonance between reading the entry on a wiki and then reading the comic where a race likes the phalanx gets beat because they could be effected by viruses and reprogrammed. I wonder if Ultron can control them, then maybe if an AI beyond understanding like the Necrons would basically rewrite them too since they have machine gods (though they aren't really AI but souls of an ancient race within immortal bodies).
I do think Necrons would outclass the Phalanx though. In the Dawn of War games they are very damn tough and the main thing about them is they are practically unkillable because they can come back to life repair themselves. Basically they too have an adaptive body that can repair itself. And there are an untold number of them, and you can't just keep killing them, because the bodies phase out so they can come back to do more killing later if they were damaged. There is a bunch of soul mumbo jumbo going on with them and they even have pariahs who are able to counter any warp based beings.
On another note, I think most beings in the WH40K universe would be considered mutants or at least mutates. The space marines basically have an organ and genes from the primarchs, who were basically made after the Emperor, who wasn't normal by any means. The psykers are also considered mutants and there are subspecies of humanities. Though of course we know Marvel mutants are more than just mutated genes but a Celestial science experiment, so it's obviously not 1-1 on what a mutant is.
The warp doesn't function like an astral plane imo. It's pretty different and it pretty much always has bad consequences. If a warp existed in the Marvel universe I would think there would be a lot more crazies (the Chaos were corrupted by the warp) and a lot of psychics would be royally effed up except for the strong ones that can resist it's influence (being a psyker really sucks). If you are just some poor schmuck born with psychic powers, you can have a demon trying to eat it's way into your mind and there are lots of people with psychic powers and the Chaos takes a lot of them. It's like Dormammu or Mephisto whispering to everyone psychic in the universe to come over their side because they have cookies and torture. The eldar basically try to keep their soul stone safe just because they don't want none of that when they die in battle, but of course there are Dark Eldar who have fallen and they basically do nasty things 24/7 for shits and giggles.
I do think Necrons would outclass the Phalanx though. In the Dawn of War games they are very damn tough and the main thing about them is they are practically unkillable because they can come back to life repair themselves. Basically they too have an adaptive body that can repair itself. And there are an untold number of them, and you can't just keep killing them, because the bodies phase out so they can come back to do more killing later if they were damaged. There is a bunch of soul mumbo jumbo going on with them and they even have pariahs who are able to counter any warp based beings.
On another note, I think most beings in the WH40K universe would be considered mutants or at least mutates. The space marines basically have an organ and genes from the primarchs, who were basically made after the Emperor, who wasn't normal by any means. The psykers are also considered mutants and there are subspecies of humanities. Though of course we know Marvel mutants are more than just mutated genes but a Celestial science experiment, so it's obviously not 1-1 on what a mutant is.
The warp doesn't function like an astral plane imo. It's pretty different and it pretty much always has bad consequences. If a warp existed in the Marvel universe I would think there would be a lot more crazies (the Chaos were corrupted by the warp) and a lot of psychics would be royally effed up except for the strong ones that can resist it's influence (being a psyker really sucks). If you are just some poor schmuck born with psychic powers, you can have a demon trying to eat it's way into your mind and there are lots of people with psychic powers and the Chaos takes a lot of them. It's like Dormammu or Mephisto whispering to everyone psychic in the universe to come over their side because they have cookies and torture. The eldar basically try to keep their soul stone safe just because they don't want none of that when they die in battle, but of course there are Dark Eldar who have fallen and they basically do nasty things 24/7 for shits and giggles.
Manmademan
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The science the phalanx are running around with is a bit too high end to "hijack with a virus". The only one to ever pull this off in *multiple* galaxies is Ultron, and Ultron is one of the most intelligent beings to exist anywhere.
The Phalanx have overrun Earth 616, the Shi'ar Empire, AND the entire Kree Galaxy- the only things that permanently put them down are plot devices.
The phalanx can infect and hijack anything, organic or technological in a matter of minutes by physical contact. If the Necrons are either they won't be killed, just converted to more phalanx. Again, the Phalanx took over an entire galaxy and barricaded it in a matter of weeks, against tech that makes the imperium look like it's stuck in the stone age.
The mutant resistance versus conversion only worked on the earth based version of the phalanx, who were basically the chinese knockoff of the real thing. The "pure" phalanx strain that busted up the Shi'ar had no such problems.
This...isn't really all that impressive. Dormammu and Mephisto get beaten all the time. The Hulk and juggernaut have both taken out Nightmare and neither one has TP. Demons are run of the mill in the MU and everyone is used to them. Take a look at what happened during "Inferno" back in the 80s.
SixMachine
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I''m saying there isn't anything like the warp shown in the Marvel universe. The closest thing I can think of is like having Doctor Strange giving and selling his "soul" or whatever to gain more power, except everyone is susceptible to getting the raw deal. The warp basically effects everything in the WH40k universe, and astral plane isn't as persistent as that. If you have psychic powers you are basically always connected to it. Psychics in the Marvel Universe don't have that baggage, and if there was something like that, it would be messy. Even if you weren't a psychic you can get screwed over by it, because it's used as transportation, and even coming in contact with it means you can be exterminated for being unclean. A lot of Imperial Guardsmen get cleansed after a battle with the Chaos, probably by getting burned alive.
Manmademan
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There is something like that, it's called the astral plane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_King
If you're strong enough you can travel in and out of the psi-plane/astral plane at will, physically or just mentally.
It's also been established that in addition to this, the mind gem IS the collective consciousness of everything that exists within the MU (not just earth) and can be traveled to, or within- so there's at least two such places.
SixMachine
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I know what the astral plane is, I'm trying to say it's not naturally corrupting like the warp. Just by going to the astral plane will not make you batshit insane or a lot of other weird things that can occur. My example with strange is trying to get that point across of a corrupting influence. It's like if anyone wanted to use any psychic or magic power, they have a hotline to demon. Just going to the astral plane doesn't do that.
Manmademan
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it doesn't matter if it's corrupting or not, a dimension of pure psionic energy that telepaths are all intimately familiar with ALREADY EXISTS.
I posted the shadow king quote to show you that the plane is persistent, and everything sentient, not just psychics are connected to it, which you claimed wasn't possible as it would be "too messy."
The plane itself is fluid, how it appears depends on who is in it. If it's someone like Xavier it's relatively stable, if it's someone like Shadow King it's a nightmare realm. It's totally under the control of the telepath, provided they are powerful enough.
and speaking of which, there is a SEPARATE world of dreams/nightmare realm in addition to the astral plane, which is controlled by beings like Nightmare, D'spayre, and the Dweller in Darkness.
These dimensions are rather common, and you can find smaller ones run by entities like the Dreamqueen. It is trivial for mid tier entities and above to travel in and out of these realms at will.
Manmademan
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Yep. Just one mature member of the technarchy could smash the phalanx to dust- and they usually do whenever they happen to find them.
The technarchy has been the plot device that stopped the phalanx 2 out of 3 times they got out of hand, in fact. And how do you stop the technarchy? You Don't.
Harken Raiser
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While Marvel has an overpowered universe, as evidenced by these types of threads, Warhammer 40K actually has a relatively under powered universe as far as sci-fi and fantasy goes. Every time I see 40K vs (blank) Universe threads on various forums, people are always quick to point out that 40K only feels overpowered because of how well they are able to depict their epic battles and evoke a sense of awe and dread when talking about the Chaos Gods or other such threats. They've had a long time to practice painting people a picture of a universe on the edge of oblivion. Ten foot tall super soldiers with three hearts and four lungs that wear one thousand pounds of armor and shoot machine gun grenade launchers sounds like the strongest thing in the world, but a little kid that can warp reality is actually way stronger. There are plenty of universes weaker than Marvel that could take the 40K universe - the Gurren Lagann gang could probably solo Warhammer 40K, for example.
You also have to remember that everything in Warhammer is still based around a mulitplayer tabletop game. Everything in the universe needs to be properly balanced to sell merchandise for all the factions. Marvel is telling stories, so it doesn't doesn't need to worry if one character is stronger than 90% of the other characters combined, as long as the story is well told.
Fret not, for there exists one that is more powerful/poorly written than all of the Marvel universe. But to find such power, you will need to delve into the deepest depths of Japanese erotic visual novels...
You also have to remember that everything in Warhammer is still based around a mulitplayer tabletop game. Everything in the universe needs to be properly balanced to sell merchandise for all the factions. Marvel is telling stories, so it doesn't doesn't need to worry if one character is stronger than 90% of the other characters combined, as long as the story is well told.
Fret not, for there exists one that is more powerful/poorly written than all of the Marvel universe. But to find such power, you will need to delve into the deepest depths of Japanese erotic visual novels...
Magus threw a sun at Warlock, a sun! And why? Because he ran away from home.
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