Support NeoGAF

[Carcetti]

We're all anti-fascists, but we should not be antifa at all. Antifa is the left fascist movement and given enough power, they will terrorize everyone like any violent group will.

That being said: Self-defense is our right. But Antifa is in attack mode and aiming at basically anyone who opposes their views. And that sounds strangely familiar to some groups we detest.

Despite your fantasies, antifa has existed for decades and has not actually attacked everyone on sight. But I guess if you wanna defend nazis, you have to build a few strawmen to scare the people.

 

[cromofo]

I guess i am guilty of thinking that fully automated luxury gay space communism is better than the fully manual poverty-stricken heterosexual terrestrial capitalism that we have now, yes.

Ok.

 

[Wrestlemania]

I'd gladly punch a Nazi, but I'm not Antifa. Antifa punching Nazis could be seen as a "positive" thing, but Antifa is not all about punching Nazis and fascists. You'd have to be naive to believe that.

You on the other hand, have a hammer and sickle avatar, representing a murderous and opressive regime. Even a little heart is made from the sickle, how cute.

Says a lot.

Bit rich to claim others are naive while parroting the right wing narrative about the insidiousness of Antifa.

 

[cromofo]

Bit rich to claim others are naive while parroting the right wing narrative about the insidiousness of Antifa.

Strong stretch there from the same post that said "I'd gladly punch Nazis"

I guess criticising Antifa is a right wing narrative now and I must refrain from doing so. Gimme a fucking break.

 

[jackissocool]

We should all be antifa.

damn straight

 

[cucuchu]

I guess i am guilty of thinking that fully automated luxury gay space communism is better than the fully manual poverty-stricken heterosexual terrestrial capitalism that we have now, yes.

Mother Russia is not exactly gay-friendly.

Per the subject matter, Antifa, like any movement it will be utilized for noble intentions by some but you are going to have a subset that will just want to maximize destruction with fuck all care for the better intentions. Expect the latter to be more highly reported on since that is what draws headlines. Nothing new here.

 

[MistakenMobius]

Bit rich to claim others are naive while parroting the right wing narrative about the insidiousness of Antifa.

Well because for antifa, hillary is a fascist:
https://socialistaction.org/2016/08/08/is-hillary-clinton-a-fascist/
For antifa, Sanders is a facist
https://notesonliberty.com/2015/08/05/the-blatant-fascism-of-bernie-sanders/

 

[Intheflorsh]

Mother Russia is not exactly gay-friendly.

Or communist.

 

[Lindi]

Vice Documentary about swedish antifa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MYMVfyHi0

 

[O.v.e.rlord]

Again, those people were already Nazis. They were just Nazis that hadn't taken to the streets yet.

No peace loving human being sees a Nazi get punched and says "Oh my God, they punched that Nazi. I'm against violence, and that guy used violence against a Nazi, so the most logical thing to do is stand by the Nazis getting punched, despite the fact that what Nazis want is the genocide of an entire race of people, which is violence that's a billion times more extreme than what I was mad about when I joined them."

Look here's the point I'm making

Observered political violence both left and right creates a rally point for others to point to and say "see that? That's you if you don't help us"

So every person punched, kick, put in a coma or worse killed create a embolden backlash for both sides. I view the current tensions as a result of years of political violence on both sides. And the tipping point of dumb is coming.

(I would love to respond to you all but can't cause I'm currently getting ready for work and just got out of the shower)

^and I'm running late because you!!!!!!! Person I'm responding to lol.

 

[Staf]

Vice Documentary about swedish antifa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MYMVfyHi0

As a Swede i've seen the handiwork of those thugs first hand. But the last couple of years the Nazis, i.e Nordiska motståndsrörelsen (NMR), have been more prominent and destructive.

 

[HarryHengst]

Mother Russia is not exactly gay-friendly.

Per the subject matter, Antifa, like any movement it will be utilized for noble intentions by some but you are going to have a subset that will just want to maximize destruction with fuck all care for the better intentions. Expect the latter to be more highly reported on since that is what draws headlines. Nothing new here.

I really do not care for Russia. Just like i do not expect every capitalist to take 19th century Britain as their example of a society, even if it was the time where capitalism was at its purest form and the market at its most free.

 

[Machine Messiah]

Is it possible to dislike both fascism and organized vandals?

Do we trust anonymous mobs on the street to decide who is a Nazi and who isn't? Who deserves to be "punched" and who doesn't?

 

[cromofo]

Is it possible to dislike both fascism and organized vandals?

Do we trust anonymous mobs on the street to decide who is a Nazi and who isn't? Who deserves to be "punched" and who doesn't?

Stop parroting right wing narrative!

Spoiler

/s

It is possible and it's a viable stance to take.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Is it possible to dislike both fascism and organized vandals?

What is leading you to believe that Antifa are just "organised vandals"? News stories you read that blamed every G20 protest on Antifa and ignored all the other protesting groups that were there?

 

[Wrestlemania]

Well because for antifa, hillary is a fascist:
https://socialistaction.org/2016/08/08/is-hillary-clinton-a-fascist/
For antifa, Sanders is a facist
https://notesonliberty.com/2015/08/05/the-blatant-fascism-of-bernie-sanders/

To conclude, neither Clinton nor Trump are fascists. Neither is driven by the immediate need to crush a mass working-class and revolutionary-led resistance, which has yet to emerge. Both, however, in the name of “national security” see the need to put in place the future instruments of mass repression for when they are needed. This includes the massive government surveillance operations that reach into every household in the country and beyond. Both capitalist parties foster the militarization of the police, the National Guard, and other repressive institutions, to ready them for action should the ruling class feel threatened by an insurgent working-class opposition.

Hardly the most controversial of takes, just a provocative headline.

Not familiar with the either author or those sites though. Are they actually
representatives of Antifa, or did you just Google name + fascist without checking what the articles said or who wrote them?

 

[mlclmtckr]

Taking a quote out of context. Classy.

Uh, no I didn't? You think they're both equally intolerant. That does make you a genocide apologist.

 

[mlclmtckr]

We're all anti-fascists, but we should not be antifa at all. Antifa is the left fascist movement and given enough power, they will terrorize everyone like any violent group will.

This is an intensely stupid and ahistorical post and everyone who quoted it to say "good post" or whatever should be fucking embarrassed

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

The Antifa of Europe are the conceptual descendants of the X-Shirt partisan militias of the early 20th century in Germany and elsewhere from when democracy was particularly fragile. They may not be fascists (obviously), but they cover everything else from communists to anarchists and everything in between. I again have no idea why american anti-trump want to be associated with this.

Remember, we only beat the nazi's last time with the aid of millions of communists. Their blood is what won the war in europe more then any other force.

In the fight against fascists, history shows that you really don't need to be kicking anyone out of the tent. Doesn't mean you are pro-communism though.

 

[Siegcram]

Well because for antifa, hillary is a fascist:
https://socialistaction.org/2016/08/08/is-hillary-clinton-a-fascist/
For antifa, Sanders is a facist
https://notesonliberty.com/2015/08/05/the-blatant-fascism-of-bernie-sanders/

tfw you don't read past the headline of your own sources

 

[Servbot24]

Despite your fantasies, antifa has existed for decades and has not actually attacked everyone on sight. But I guess if you wanna defend nazis, you have to build a few strawmen to scare the people.

Oh fuck off with this. Everyone who doesn't exactly align with the specifics of your view of the methodology by which Nazis should be eradicated doesn't automatically make them a Nazi / Nazi defender themselves. Sorry to be rude but that just seems really messed up to call someone when you know full and well that's not what they are.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Uh, no I didn't? You think they're both equally intolerant. That does make you a genocide apologist.

Yes you did and no it doesn't.

 

[sasliquid]

Mother Russia is not exactly gay-friendly.

Nor was it fully automated, luxurious or properly in space so I don't see your point

 

[Nokterian]

So if you still can't tell the difference...look up in history, you should oppose Nazi's..period.

 

[Westbahnhof]

So if you still can't tell the difference...look up in history, you should oppose Nazi's..period.

Antifa doesn't mean anti-fascist though.
It's anti-fascist action. It's groups. It's organizations.
So, if the first screenshot it about antifa, then Brad has misunderstood something.

I'm anti-fascist. But I'm not antifa, and neither are you, I'm pretty sure.

 

[mlclmtckr]

Yes you did and no it doesn't.

Stop being such a pedantic baby. You think that people who want to put Jews in camps are equally intolerant to the people who want to beat people up for wanting to put Jews in camps. That's a deeply disturbing level of comfort with genocide.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Stop being such a pedantic baby. You think that people who want to put Jews in camps are equally intolerant to the people who want to beat people up for wanting to put Jews in camps. That's a deeply disturbing level of comfort with genocide.

Lol the irony in this statement. As interesting as this little exchange was, I won't entertain this anymore, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Xando]

Weird to see people speaking positive about Antifa now after seeing them destroy my neighborhood during G20 a month ago.


Maybe it's a US vs EU antifa thing but they're fucking assholes.

 

[cromofo]

How hard is to understand the difference between Antifa and being anti-fascist?

I think we can all agree we're anti-fascists but we're not all Antifa.


ffs

 

[Nerazar]

Weird to see people speaking positive about Antifa now after seeing them destroy my neighborhood during G20 a month ago.

Maybe it's a US vs EU antifa thing but they're fucking assholes.

In Europe, we have experience with that kind of groups and these are not pretty. There is this misconception going on that the Antifa was the "heroic line of defense against Nazis", but they're not.

Most often of times, they are the reason why protests turn violent and why big social movements lose traction (99% of protests at the G20 were non-violent, inclusive and very creative and you can guess that only the Antifa riots against those fascist small shops and cars got covered in the media and people are hating the left for it). They are the biggest reason for Nazis to actually show up or use violence. If they spot one Antifa-member in a crowd, they will assume that everyone is Antifa and then the stupid battling commences.

Also, Antifa is against more than "just" Nazis: to them, basically everybody and everything is a fascist or a fascist structure. The government has to be smashed, everybody representing or supporting that government as well, because we're all fascists to them as long as we don't become them.

Finally: Ironically, the Antifa and the far-right share so many opinions, it's scary. With the G20 riots, I am very sure that the Black Bloc consisted of Nazis and Antifa, because both are against "Globalism", against the current government and against the "suppresive" police. They are an unholy alliance and that is why one has to renounce them both at every turn. They both need another and they both fuel one another. And it will only stop if we stop both.

 

[Hockeymac18]

Glad to see Neogaf have a reasonable response to this. Other forums are far different (e.g. http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/2809538-antifa-who-they.html).

 

[Phrynobatrachus]

In Europe, we have experience with that kind of groups and these are not pretty. There is this misconception going on that the Antifa was the "heroic line of defense against Nazis", but they're not.

They saved more people from being hurt or killed by Nazis in Cville. There's no debate about that.

They are the biggest reason for Nazis to actually show up or use violence. If they spot one Antifa-member in a crowd, they will assume that everyone is Antifa and then the stupid battling commences.

lmao

Also, Antifa is against more than "just" Nazis: to them, basically everybody and everything is a fascist or a fascist structure. The government has to be smashed, everybody representing or supporting that government as well, because we're all fascists to them as long as we don't become them..

not quite, many antifa are anarchists and thus wish to see the world freed from coercive hierarchies of all kind. capitalism breeds fascism, you can't get rid of the latter without killing the former.

Finally: Ironically, the Antifa and the far-right share so many opinions, it's scary. With the G20 riots, I am very sure that the Black Bloc consisted of Nazis and Antifa, because both are against "Globalism", against the current government and against the "suppresive" police. They are an unholy alliance and that is why one has to renounce them both at every turn. They both need another and they both fuel one another. And it will only stop if we stop both.

totally wrong, far-left movements are against the free movement of capital, but not people. communism/socialism = internationalist, nazis = nationalist. nazis also have no problem with government or police.