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Watchmen Trailer
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I prefer this trailer. It has a tentacle monster.
DKehoe said:
Well I think it's less about things the reader can see coming and more about changing the rules within the last 30-40 pages (or at least, suddenly informing the reader of rules we had no idea of prior to that).
Maybe I'm missing "the point", though. Why is it that the conclusion must come through some contrivance that was unestablished within the Watchmen universe?
The international goodwill towards the USA has completely dried up though. And international goodwill is kind of the point of Veidt's plan.Flynn said:
Anasui Kishibe
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border said:
you've got a lot of clues in the book, it's just that you can't possibly imagine what's going on.
Instead of acting like a retard, read the comic again
BenjaminBirdie
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border said:
Dude, seriously, that's one of the best parts of the book. Like, ever.
miyamotofreak
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The squid had a entire meaty subplot dedicated to it. It was certainly no deus ex machina.
BenjaminBirdie
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Blader5489 said:
But there's no precedent. There's no reason to think the alien just has a beef with New York. It's not a situational conflict the way an ex-US operative going sickhouse on the planet is.
I don't want it cut, but I suspect that if Manhattan is the patsy then the new ending will involve luring him out to Veidt's lair for some onscreen showdown rather than just a secret detonation. Then on the verge of defeat, Veidt says, "Hahaha....I just got your DNA-wavelength-signature, and I'm going to assign it to all these bombs I'm setting off at this moment!"BenjaminBirdie said:
Ignatz Mouse
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BenjaminBirdie said:
To me, that's when it fell down. Ending did not live up to the amazing build up. My reaction was: " Yes you are!"
Ignatz Mouse
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Flynn said:
Holy Black Mesa!
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Which is pretty much why it had to be cut.miyamotofreak said:
As long as the threat come from without rather from within, there is no associated ideology and thus the historical slate can be wiped clean.border said:
Whatever they plan to replace this with, it has to be so horrible and enormous that the lie masks the truth utterly. Otherwise...?miyamotofreak said:
miyamotofreak
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Yup. I dunno though. I really want Alan Moore to see it and give a judgement. And I'm VERY curious on how they're going to cover the Time chapter.Flynn said:
I'm talking not about the perceived source of the squid, but the fact that everything used to deliver that illusion was not really established as being a part of the Watchmen universe (psychics, teleportation, etc). You are lead to believe that everything is grounded beyond Manhattan, but then out of nowhere there's all this other supernatural stuff abounding.woxel1 said:
Ignatz Mouse
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border said:
There is the slightest of handwaving explanation of it (teleportation was possible since Manhattan did it... psychics a result of genetic engineering, which was established from the beginning of the story) yet it remains weak. Even moreso, though, the tone is weak. With such grounding in the real psychology and political motivations of the superpowers, the "common enemy out of nowhere" is incredibly pat and rings hollow with the 10 chapters that precede it.
Ignatz Mouse
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Flynn said:
I don't think he actually saw V, just heard about the changes.
Shinz Kicker
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BenjaminBirdie said:
a squid attack can go unnoticed by people half way around the world... but can several nukes? the plausibility of someone not knowing wtf is going is kinda out there.
border said:
That's not entirely true. Look for those power plugs all around the city. There's free energy thanks to Manhattan's solving of the cold fusion problem. That's pure sci-fi stuff, but it's melded really closely with reality, rather than changing it.
That's the point, really that Moore makes. Manhattan brings clean, endless energy to Earth and it doesn't change a thing. That's what inspires Ozy to do implement his final solution.
Besides, that flying Owl space-ship is hardly grounded to realitly.
miyamotofreak
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That's actually not true. Back in the 80's Moore was the Watchmen movie's biggest fanboy. But after countless crap adaptation LXG broke the camels back and he said fuck Hollywood (as did Sean Connery with LXG). He read the script for V. I think he'd enjoy if Snyder could somehow make the movie a deconstruction of film. The dude's not some asshole.Blader5489 said:
Cold fusion doesn't strike me as being in the same plausibility category as "psychic bombs", but that may just be a personal thing. And before someone jumps on me, I'll explain that I'm talking about "plausbility" within the world that's established by Moore (not as in comparison to our own world). Watchmen's world is scientifically advanced, but at the end it goes all X-Men and stuff.Flynn said:
It's not so different from a harrier jet, is it? Well aside from being semi-aquatic
fallengorn
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It's not too far-fetched considering both sides of the Cold War investigated the reality and usage of psychic phenomena.border said:
JzeroT1437
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You know what makes me happy? This comes out 4 months before I'll be moving to China, which means I'll get to see it with my best friends and will feel right at home. It'll be a good memory, regardless of how loyal the movie is to the book.
I'm looking forward to it.
I'm looking forward to it.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
They also mention that psychics are mysteriously vanishing. That Dr. Manhattan has significantly advanced science. (The whole teleportation principle is based on the Dr. it doesn't come out of nowhere.)8bit said:
miyamotofreak
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teleportation, dna tampering, all dealt with earlier in the book. The squid certainly doesn't come out of nowhere. There are several places in the story where its specifically mentioned that having Dr M around has advanced technology at too rapid a rate.
I've said it before but the ending of Watchmen is similar in essence to star trek first contact. When humans realise (or are fooled) they aren't alone, they unite for a common cause, and this is why watchmen the comic works, and watchmen the movie is not going to work as well. Ozy did something so far out of left field, but was hinted at throughout the novel, that no-one sees it coming, and its why it works. He had to get Dr M away because he didn't want him finding out about his plan, not because he wanted to frame him. So much of the setup of the book falls apart if you change the ending. I was so hyped for this movie because it looked so faithful, but the new ending is just so infuriating. I'll still see it as early as I can as I loved the comic, but its annoying that this ending is the one that most people will now associate with it.
It's even more annoying and confusing that people who have read the comic are actually welcoming the new ending. They must not have read it carefully or just completely missed large portions of the story.
I've said it before but the ending of Watchmen is similar in essence to star trek first contact. When humans realise (or are fooled) they aren't alone, they unite for a common cause, and this is why watchmen the comic works, and watchmen the movie is not going to work as well. Ozy did something so far out of left field, but was hinted at throughout the novel, that no-one sees it coming, and its why it works. He had to get Dr M away because he didn't want him finding out about his plan, not because he wanted to frame him. So much of the setup of the book falls apart if you change the ending. I was so hyped for this movie because it looked so faithful, but the new ending is just so infuriating. I'll still see it as early as I can as I loved the comic, but its annoying that this ending is the one that most people will now associate with it.
It's even more annoying and confusing that people who have read the comic are actually welcoming the new ending. They must not have read it carefully or just completely missed large portions of the story.
Prime crotch
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Well back in the 80's Terry Gilliam, Moore's buddy and all I think, was a proposed director. I'm noy saying Snyder is a bad director but he's no Terry Gilliam.miyamotofreak said:
But it is true that Moore's hostility towards commercialization comes from being screwed over and over and the movies being shit.
I don't see why anyone that has not read the graphic novel would want to see the movie after the above pictures. I understand that some of the elaborate costume choices were deliberate and that it's trying to highlight how some of the costumes in the graphic novel were golden age and out of place there while the costumes in the movie can be compared to Shumacher's Batman movies and have no place in the comic movies of nowadays, but I really doubt your average moviegoer would think about it like that.
Anasui Kishibe
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Silk Spectre has a nice ass, hope she does a porn someday. That's like the only good thing you'll ever hear me sayin about this movie
The Lamonster
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Her scene in Harold & Kumar is pretty close...Anasui Kishibe said:
The Lamonster
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Rubber nipples.Blader5489 said:
Basically, Snyder wanted the updated costumes to be a play on the 90's Batman costumes. Just really really cheesy shit basically. So it's intentional, just like in the comic how Nite Owl and others look like the typical silly spandex costumes with utility belts, etc.
The Lamonster
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Yes, Snyder said that. I'm at work, otherwise I'd link ya to the interview. I don't even remember when he said that, probably at this year's Comic-Con panel.Blader5489 said:
I will have to wait and see the movie in order to offer a proper judgement, but for now, I do not think that I am sold on the modified ending:
Pros:
Cons:
Pros:
+ Better for it to attack the whole world in order to present it as a global treat.
+ It is true that the giant squid kinda strikes against too many "stablished rules" of the Watchmen universe.
+ It is true that the giant squid kinda strikes against too many "stablished rules" of the Watchmen universe.
Cons:
- For the Russians, Dr. Manhattan is just another American weapon. THey would put all the blame on the US, as if it was just one of their weapons getting out of control, and then the WW3 would start.
- Aliens are probably the only external menace able to unify mankind.
- The alien appearing in the middle of the city is way more visual, visceral and automatically undersdtandable by the popullation than the post analysis of some explosions that could perfectly be identified as nuclear weapons
- The ravaged New York with the gargatuan squid over it always stroke me as an awesome creepy image worth of be filmed.
- And my biggest grip: to blame Manhattan makes everything too much less morally grey. Dr. Roscharch desire for "justice" instead of strike us as lunatic we interpretate it as being comradeship towards manhattan, and Veidt actions looks more evil as he blames one former friend for the whole mess
- Aliens are probably the only external menace able to unify mankind.
- The alien appearing in the middle of the city is way more visual, visceral and automatically undersdtandable by the popullation than the post analysis of some explosions that could perfectly be identified as nuclear weapons
- The ravaged New York with the gargatuan squid over it always stroke me as an awesome creepy image worth of be filmed.
- And my biggest grip: to blame Manhattan makes everything too much less morally grey. Dr. Roscharch desire for "justice" instead of strike us as lunatic we interpretate it as being comradeship towards manhattan, and Veidt actions looks more evil as he blames one former friend for the whole mess
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
(Shrug) You're the one who wanted to play numbers.Count Dookkake said:
Watchmen as an original material was in the 10%. "Improving" that does not involve ramming it into a hackish heroes journey formula. (Which is all the "B...b...but it's FILM!" crowd really ever wants.) That destroys the point of the book.
Count Dookkake
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Freshmaker said:
(Shrug) You might be being intentionally obtuse, but I'll try anyway.
You can't say this will be likelier to suck because it deviates from the original. The failure rates are almost the same for original, sequel, remake, adaptation, spin-off, etc.
Yes, the comic was in the good 10%. However, there is no guarantee an adaptation will also be in that 10%. Nothing can guarantee that. Not hewing slavishly close to the original nor diverging wildly from the original. There is a risk with either method.
Either side with Moore and say no to the movie, or accept that changes will happen.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Count Dookkake said:(Shrug) You might be being intentionally obtuse, but I'll try anyway.
You can't say this will be likelier to suck because it deviates from the original.
Remember that I was responding to a post that said copy and paste from the source material = movie failure.
(Then you came in with your 5 movies...)
Adaptions can be good. As long as it retains the core thrusts of the original. (The Shining) Sticking to the source material can also work if the source material is already good. Saying that only adaptations work paves the way for scrambling things just for the sake of scrambling them.
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