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[eLGee]

basically, but there is no reason for him to want to look ripped. it's pretty clear in the comic that he doesn't give a shit about what anyone thinks. He looked like a normal dude with low fat % in the comic imo.

There's no reason for him to want to look blue and bald either, but he still is.

 

[Mr. Durden]

There's something I don't understand though. If Dr. Manhattan was able to become like because of going into that test chamber. The other people working there must've found out, so why has no one else just done the same, gone into that test chamber etc.

 

[Brobzoid]

There's no reason for him to want to look blue and bald either, but he still is.

I think I can grasp at some far fetched reasons for him to be blue and bald.
But as that picture above shows, he was more built than I remember.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

There's something I don't understand though. If Dr. Manhattan was able to become like because of going into that test chamber. The other people working there must've found out, so why has no one else just done the same, gone into that test chamber etc.

It's never shown, but I imagine others in the Watchmen universe tried it, and failed.

Part of the point was that Jon was a very smart, methodical guy and a watchmaker, and that applowed him to put himself back together.

 

[Johann]

There's no reason for him to want to look blue and bald either, but he still is.

I think he was supposed to look like the Shiva, the Hindu God of Destruction. Shiva is blue and has a third eye on his forehead (similar to Dr. Manhattan's hydrogen symbol) which has the power to destroy the world.

It also ties into Oppenheimer, a director of the Manhattan project and the father of the atomic bomb, quoting the Bhagavad Gita ("now I am become Death [Shiva], the destroyer of worlds").

There's something I don't understand though. If Dr. Manhattan was able to become like because of going into that test chamber. The other people working there must've found out, so why has no one else just done the same, gone into that test chamber etc.

The graphic novel implies that the odds of the incident occurring were incalculable. There were probably a lot of factors that made the incident difficult to replicate, such as Janey's watch in the lab coat being in that exact place and more.

Jon's training as a watchmaker also allowed him to have a corporeal body rather than just be a floating consciousness that never takes shape.

 

[Mr. Durden]

I think he was supposed to look like the Shiva, the Hindu God of Destruction. Shiva is blue and has a third eye on his forehead (similar to Dr. Manhattan's hydrogen symbol) which has the power to destroy the world.

It also ties into Oppenheimer, a director of the Manhattan project and the father of the atomic bomb, quoting the Bhagavad Gita ("now I am become Death [Shiva], the destroyer of worlds").

Wow pretty awesome there's an actual reason for his look, nice.

 

[subrock]

just finished the book, uncredible. loved every page.
one question because I am having trouble getting over this when I read his name: is it roars-cock or roar-scotch or roars-ch-a-ch (with both ch sounds pronounced)?
I kept reading it as rose-ark until I looked more closely at it like halfway through.

 

[subrock]

loved that moment

 

[Freshmaker]

basically, but there is no reason for him to want to look ripped. it's pretty clear in the comic that he doesn't give a shit about what anyone thinks. He looked like a normal dude with low fat % in the comic imo.

By that thinking, the Silk Specter's not nearly meaty enough. She's much thicker in the comics. Her hair's also fused into a bumpy orange mullet.

 

[teiresias]

just finished the book, uncredible. loved every page.
one question because I am having trouble getting over this when I read his name: is it roars-cock or roar-scotch or roars-ch-a-ch (with both ch sounds pronounced)?
I kept reading it as rose-ark until I looked more closely at it like halfway through.

I've always assumed it's pronounced just like when one pronounces Rorschach Ink Blot Test - in which case it's basically Roar-Shock

 

[subrock]

thanks, sucked to have to be mentally mumbling it throughout the comic but now I can re read with confidence :lol

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

just finished the book, uncredible. loved every page.
one question because I am having trouble getting over this when I read his name: is it roars-cock or roar-scotch or roars-ch-a-ch (with both ch sounds pronounced)?
I kept reading it as rose-ark until I looked more closely at it like halfway through.

I think that it's something like Roar-Shack or Roar-Shock.

 

[Catalix]

Supposed to be Ror-shock, but they pronounce it Ror-shack in the movie.

 

[I_D]

I've always assumed it's pronounced just like when one pronounces Rorschach Ink Blot Test - in which case it's basically Roar-Shock

You are correct.

It's made pretty clear where his name originates, IMO.

 

[miyamotofreak]

I say Roar-shack. Shock just sounds weird. And the Nite Owl screaming is a pretty obvious change to the ending (which ticks me off as much as the nuke/monster thing). And did I see a poster above say they flipped thru it? Sir you do not FLIP thru the Watchmen. You read it. Then you may flip thru.

 

[Kagari]

Okay so, I just saw the new trailer while watching Bond...
I've got to say as someone who has never read the graphics novels that I am EXTREMELY impressed and excited for the movie. I have no idea what it's about but maybe that's a good thing.

 

[Jack Scofield]

Okay so, I just saw the new trailer while watching Bond...
I've got to say as someone who has never read the graphics novels that I am EXTREMELY impressed and excited for the movie. I have no idea what it's about but maybe that's a good thing.

Did you get any impression of what kind of movie it might be, based on the trailer alone?

I'm just wondering how someone who has never read the book would react to the trailer.

 

[subrock]

What scene from the comic was the part with Dan screaming from?

that confused me too. there is snow though, so that narrows it down.

 

[subrock]

Did you get any impression of what kind of movie it might be, based on the trailer alone?

I'm just wondering how someone who has never read the book would react to the trailer.

coming from tat angle prior to this weekend I thought it would be more about the struggle of superheroes within the mainstream perspective. I thought there might be a lot of time spent on origin stories as well as a lot of defamation of masked men. didnt really realize there was the larger thread despite some of the images in the trailer. the stuff with doctor manhattan and the comedian in vietnam in the trailer threw me off as I was expecting more of a feeling of exploitation of the heroes. I thought the heroes finding their place in society might have resulted in them being forced to fight and I thought that might be a longer thread in the story. I also thought the dr manhattan was going to be differently aligned than he actually is.
I am soaking in the trailers now with a new appreciation and I'm more psyched than ever.

PS does 03.06.09 mean june 3rd 2009, or march 6th 2009?

 

[miyamotofreak]

What Dan Screaming is From:

Spoiler

That's him witnessing Rorshach's death . It's a "addition" to the movie.

 

[Kagari]

Did you get any impression of what kind of movie it might be, based on the trailer alone?

I'm just wondering how someone who has never read the book would react to the trailer.

It looks to me like a dark and serious epic, which interests me greatly because it's very different than the normal PG-13 super hero affair of white and black good guys VS bad guys.

 

[I_D]

Okay so, I just saw the new trailer while watching Bond...
I've got to say as someone who has never read the graphics novels that I am EXTREMELY impressed and excited for the movie. I have no idea what it's about but maybe that's a good thing.

Unlike most of GAF... I'd recommend seeing the movie first.

Everybody knows novels are better than the movie 99.99% of the time. If you read it first, chances are the movie will have less of an effect.

I'd recommend seeing the movie first, and then blowing your mind even more with the novel.

 

[miyamotofreak]

Unlike most of GAF... I'd recommend seeing the movie first.

Everybody knows novels are better than the movie 99.99% of the time. If you read it first, chances are the movie will have less of an effect.

I'd recommend seeing the movie first, and then blowing your mind even more with the novel.

Here's why I disagree:
Often if you watch the movie of something, when you read it things just seem different because how you saw the movie. V for Vendetta was hard to read if you watched the movie first. Only later after forgetting most of the details of the movie could I read it properly. Read the book first. The entire cast (and director) are recommending everyone to do it so take heed.

 

[my name is ed]

What Dan Screaming is From:

Spoiler

That's him witnessing Rorshach's death . It's a "addition" to the movie.

I think thats fine if he happens to find himself out there when it happens. I think he would act that way.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Here's why I disagree:
Often if you watch the movie of something, when you read it things just seem different because how you saw the movie. V for Vendetta was hard to read if you watched the movie first. Only later after forgetting most of the details of the movie could I read it properly. Read the book first. The entire cast (and director) are recommending everyone to do it so take heed.

I agree, reading forces you to use your own imagination in terms of how scenes occur in motion and how their voices sound, but assuming you already heard the voices in the trailer scratch that.

ALso the movie seems to follow the comic box by box except for a few minor changes and deletion of a chunk of sidestories which though had significance can still be done without.

PS does 03.06.09 mean june 3rd 2009, or march 6th 2009?

According to Wiki it comes out June 3rd, 09

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

According to Wiki it comes out June 3rd, 09

Wiki is wrong. It's March 6th, 2009.
EDIT: Wiki says March 6th. What are you smoking?

 

[diunxx]

Fuck Zack Snyder and his slow motion fetish.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Wiki is wrong. It's March 6th, 2009.
EDIT: Wiki says March 6th. What are you smoking?

wtf I swore it said June 6th!

WTF SOMEBODY STALKING NEOGAF!

*edit* while on the subject of Wiki I was reading the article on the movie

Turns out John Cusack was interested in the role of Nite Owl but I am glad they didn't give it to him, I don't really like him or his acting style and I think the guy they have as Nite Owl now portrays the looks perfectly

 

[miyamotofreak]

I agree, reading forces you to use your own imagination in terms of how scenes occur in motion and how their voices sound, but assuming you already heard the voices in the trailer scratch that.

ALso the movie seems to follow the comic box by box except for a few minor changes and deletion of a chunk of sidestories which though had significance can still be done without.



According to Wiki it comes out June 3rd, 09

Completely disagree there. The metafiction to me (especially Under the Hood) WAS Watchmen for me. That's as important as Chapter IV.

 

[subrock]

wtf I swore it said June 6th!

WTF SOMEBODY STALKING NEOGAF!

*edit* while on the subject of Wiki I was reading the article on the movie

Turns out John Cusack was interested in the role of Nite Owl but I am glad they didn't give it to him, I don't really like him or his acting style and I think the guy they have as Nite Owl now portrays the looks perfectly

they all kinda look too young to me. and I kinda wish the comedians face was gnarlier.

 

[miyamotofreak]

Another thing I don't like is that the movie is looking to have more action and it's leading to compromises in the story. The Comedian should be fucking terrified when he sees his killer come in, not calm.

 

[Brakara]

The Comedian should be fucking terrified when he sees his killer come in, not calm.

If you had read the comic, you'd know that he would be neither terrified nor surprised.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Completely disagree there. The metafiction to me (especially Under the Hood) WAS Watchmen for me. That's as important as Chapter IV.

well I did not feel it was necessary. It felt to me like it was merely just there to make it obvious what the emotions were among the characters and to foreshadow the story.

It was well done in the comic but I still think it wasn't necessary.

 

[miyamotofreak]

If you had read the comic, you'd know that he would be neither terrified nor surprised.

Huh? He isn't surprised but the moment he makes the "discovery" he is scared shitless.

 

[∀ Narayan]

Huh? He isn't surprised but the moment he makes the "discovery" he is scared shitless.

We actually never discover his emotional state during the break-in. He is, however, scared shitless when he speaks to Muloch.

 

[Mammothtank]

What Dan Screaming is From:

Spoiler

That's him witnessing Rorshach's death . It's a "addition" to the movie.

Spoiler

Are you sure it's not him reacting to the death of the original Night Owl? I remember him getting really upset over that.

 

[Mammothtank]

Another thing I don't like is that the movie is looking to have more action and it's leading to compromises in the story. The Comedian should be fucking terrified when he sees his killer come in, not calm.

I had read it for the first time about a month ago so maybe my grasp is off but...

Spoiler

He knew why Ozy was there. I think he had been trying to come to terms with what he learned and finally accepted it, even though he didn't like it.

 

[Brakara]

Spoiler

He knew why Ozy was there. I think he had been trying to come to terms with what he learned and finally accepted it, even though he didn't like it.

Yeah, that's how I see it.

 

[Anton Sugar]

It's something that unfortunately survived from the (awful) David Hayter script. If people think this Watchmen movie will be bad, at least it could've been much, much worse.

I thought that was in the comic? When

Spoiler

Rorschach dies

?

 

[fallengorn]

I thought that was in the comic? When

Spoiler

Rorschach dies

?

He never actually witnesses it. It was just a scene between Rorschach and Manhattan.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I don't care for that change, but perhaps it's necessary somehow for the new ending.

 

[JzeroT1437]

Just watched the trailer.

They should've switched Rorschach and Manhattan's voices. Manhattan has the slightly whiny geeky quality that's suggested by Rorschach's non-masked appearance and wiry frame, while Rorschach sounds like Christian Bale's shitty Batman voice.

Also, I'm really, really hoping most of that shit is only slowed down for the trailer. Snyder slo-mo is so stupid looking.

 

[ckohler]

Spoiler

Are you sure it's not him reacting to the death of the original Night Owl? I remember him getting really upset over that.

He's surrounded by snowflakes and you can see the afterglow of Manhattan's blast.

 

[Mammothtank]

Just watched the trailer.

They should've switched Rorschach and Manhattan's voices. Manhattan has the slightly whiny geeky quality that's suggested by Rorschach's non-masked appearance and wiry frame, while Rorschach sounds like Christian Bale's shitty Batman voice.

I think Rorschach

Spoiler

uses a different voice when he puts his mask on. He considers himself "cooler" as Rorschach then without the mask. At least that was the impression I had when the font changed in the book.

 

[miyamotofreak]

We actually never discover his emotional state during the break-in. He is, however, scared shitless when he speaks to Muloch.

It's hard to tell from the art, but judging by facial expressions, I say he's still terrified during the "Break in".

 

[Blader]

Just watched the trailer.

They should've switched Rorschach and Manhattan's voices. Manhattan has the slightly whiny geeky quality that's suggested by Rorschach's non-masked appearance and wiry frame, while Rorschach sounds like Christian Bale's shitty Batman voice.

Also, I'm really, really hoping most of that shit is only slowed down for the trailer. Snyder slo-mo is so stupid looking.

If you think Rorscach is supposed to sound whiny and geeky, then you must have read a different Watchmen than I did.

 

[miyamotofreak]

If you think Rorscach is supposed to sound whiny and geeky, then you must have read a different Watchmen than I did.

Yeah, Rorshach is supposed to sound like a scary motherfucker. When unmasked I imagine he sounds somber but still not too geeky.

 

[SpacLock]

If you think Rorscach is supposed to sound whiny and geeky, then you must have read a different Watchmen than I did.

You can tell by the shape of his word bubble that his voice is raspy when the mask is on, but once it's off the bubble changes to a more normal one. It kind of shows that he changes to a more raspy voice on purpose when it's on.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Yeah, Rorshach is supposed to sound like a scary motherfucker. When unmasked I imagine he sounds somber but still not too geeky.

This. I imagined him sounding perfectly calm.

 

[Blader]

You can tell by the shape of his word bubble that his voice is raspy when the mask is on, but once it's off the bubble changes to a more normal one. It kind of shows that he changes to a more raspy voice on purpose when it's on.

Yeah, I agree with that, I thought he was suggesting that Rorshach isn't supposed to sound like Bale's Batman voice when he's masked.

Maybe I misread his post.