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We arent fat because we eat too much and exercise too little

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One thing I've never liked about the low-carb crowd is how they never explain Asia. A country with low obesity rates, and yet rice/noodles are a staple of their diet.

Can I get a valid explanation for why they don't seem to have the problems America has despite having rice as a staple?

Anyway right now I am thankful for my metabolism. I eat tons of carbs, and my body refuses to gain weight. It is almost annoying since I want to gain a bit of weight. -_-

However once my metabolism starts to wear down I'll check low-carb/no-carb diets out.
 

Nemesis_

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TBH I think almost all successful diets are based on a diet....then adjusted to what works for you. I started with atkins as a starting point and have great success. Atkins was just way too restrictive and structured for my tastes (I am an incredibly picky eater)

I just don't think a "diet" is the way to go.

It needs to be more of a change, and be realistic and obviously attainable.
 
One thing I've never liked about the low-carb crowd is how they never explain Asia. A country with low obesity rates, and yet rice/noodles are a staple of their diet.

Can I get a valid explanation for why they don't seem to have the problems America has despite having rice as a staple?

Lot of countries live off high carb diets with lower cases of heart disease and obesity than America.

It's basically that they live on smaller portions, less processed fast foods/junk, and lead more active lives (more walking and less coach potato lives)

Carbs are not really bad if you cut out the junk and live an active live.
 
If you eat a high fat diet without cutting calories your blood glucose will not drop, and you will gain weight. This is scientific fact.
 
I just don't think a "diet" is the way to go.

It needs to be more of a change, and be realistic and obviously attainable.

All I can speak for is myself.

I think it was very helpful for me to start with a very restrictive "diet" to start because it gave me a starting point to work from. I added and adjusted for months until I found something that works for me. I think that if you set the bar too low people will only make minor changes that won't have any significant long term impact.

If you eat a high fat diet without cutting calories your blood glucose will not drop, and you will gain weight. This is scientific fact.
Except that is 100% not true.

If you eat 2k calories of a standard diet....and switch to a 2k calorie diet that is high in fat.....you would stay the same of lose a tiny bit of weight.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
One thing I've never liked about the low-carb crowd is how they never explain Asia. A country with low obesity rates, and yet rice/noodles are a staple of their diet.

Can I get a valid explanation for why they don't seem to have the problems America has despite having rice as a staple?

I agree. Food reward does explain this, and predict the rise of obesity in metropolitan areas in Asia that are starting to eat American fast food.

I mean hell, go to a chinese restaurant that serves both traditional and Americanized food. Order one of each, compare the food's effect on you. Observe what 1st generation Chinese Americans are eating, and what Americans are eating and compare their body composition.

And I'm not talking about heart disease. Our explanation of heart disease is incomplete, and probably doesn't have much to do with saturated fats.
 

EVOL 100%

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One thing I've never liked about the low-carb crowd is how they never explain Asia. A country with low obesity rates, and yet rice/noodles are a staple of their diet.

Can I get a valid explanation for why they don't seem to have the problems America has despite having rice as a staple?

Less sodium and fatty foods is my guess.

Btw rice is pretty bad for your weight too, my father's low-carb diet consisted of reducing his rice intake and eating more side dishes to compensate. He still lost 6 kilos in a month.
 

Dash27

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One thing I've never liked about the low-carb crowd is how they never explain Asia. A country with low obesity rates, and yet rice/noodles are a staple of their diet.

Can I get a valid explanation for why they don't seem to have the problems America has despite having rice as a staple?

28:15 into the video I posted he addresses this:

http://youtu.be/l59YyXpCT1M?t=28m15s

Basically he says the low sugar intake. He also mentions time to adapt to the rice in their diet.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
But I thought the premise here is that fatty foods and sodium aren't responsible for weight gain, or at least not primarily responsible.

It isn't in a vacuum, but rice that's high in oil and salt tends to also be something like orange chicken instead of a mixture of vegetables and meat with little kick to it.
 

pants

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- We dont get fat because we eat more. We eat more because we get fat.
What in the world is this.

The sugar/carbs thing works. I cut it out years ago and went from a pudgy 87 KG to a sleek 72~75KG in a few months. No yoyo either.
 
amount of food vs amount of exercise can still be a good indicator of someone's weight/health. but yes, i've been a fan of "low carb" for a long while now.
 

entremet

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One thing I've never liked about the low-carb crowd is how they never explain Asia. A country with low obesity rates, and yet rice/noodles are a staple of their diet.

Can I get a valid explanation for why they don't seem to have the problems America has despite having rice as a staple?

Anyway right now I am thankful for my metabolism. I eat tons of carbs, and my body refuses to gain weight. It is almost annoying since I want to gain a bit of weight. -_-

However once my metabolism starts to wear down I'll check low-carb/no-carb diets out.

Insulin resistance is the key here.

As I mentioned before, traditional Asian diets do not include much of the foods that promote insulin resistance, such as refined sugar.
 

Trurl

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I've been fat while eating carbs and I've been skinny while eating carbs.

I am currently skinny while eating carbs (6'5.5'', 178 lbs)
 
My body is usually always in ketosis; usually weekdays as I enjoy drinking with friends on weekends and if I don't keep hydrated it'll knock me out for a day or two.

It's important to me and how I feel, carbs make me feel absolutely disgusting. When I eat a sandwich, I'll crash for the rest of the day. Rice is not so bad, but I generally only eat sushi now and then, so the portions are rather small.

Fast food will make my body feel like it wants to turn itself inside out for at least a week. I only eat fresh food and cook all my meals myself.
 

entremet

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I've been fat while eating carbs and I've been skinny while eating carbs.

I am currently skinny while eating carbs (6'5.5'', 178 lbs)

How much refined sugar were you eating now? That's the culprit.

I like Taubes, but it's more of a one size fits all approach. Tehpwn is a disciple of the food reward model, which I think makes the most sense.

But Paleo/LC are great ways to lose weight and eat healthy but I don't know if the whole planet can eat like this, with the reliance on animal protein, which is stil expensive in the developed world.
 

Dash27

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Interesting. I'll watch that part of the video.

Is his "evolutionary adapted to eat rice" thing just an assumption?

Yeah he says it in a "could be" sort of way. He makes the point he cant find a society with high carb (rice etc) and high sugar that is not obese. Whereas he finds poor, low calorie societies who are fat and some that are not fat, the difference is the fat ones eat a lot of sugar and they also have diabeties and similar physical problems.
 
All I can speak for is myself.

I think it was very helpful for me to start with a very restrictive "diet" to start because it gave me a starting point to work from. I added and adjusted for months until I found something that works for me. I think that if you set the bar too low people will only make minor changes that won't have any significant long term impact.


Except that is 100% not true.

If you eat 2k calories of a standard diet....and switch to a 2k calorie diet that is high in fat.....you would stay the same of lose a tiny bit of weight.

I'm speaking of people who decide to eat whatever they want. The ketogenic diet has no benefits if eaten ad libitum. Calorie intake is always important.
 

bdouble

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Jusy have to say yep. Taking out grains and gmo from your diet and replacing them with more fruits veggies is a great idea. Then eat some higher quality meat.

American standard diet is basically making people slowly die and get sick instead of making them thrive.
 

Iph

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This is basically the theory behind the paleo diet, is it not?

I had stomach problems and gained 40 pounds in the two years after I moved out on my own. I got sick and had a specialist suggest diet changes.

The paleo diet turned out to be the closest/best thing for my stomach problems and the weight I gained.

I rigidly stuck to paleo for 2 months (fish, greek salad, greens, some fruit, raw nuts, lean meat, water, herbal tea, DARK chocolate) and lost 10 pounds with only a few light walks a week. I've upped my exercise now but it's surprising how changing what source of fuel your body is running off of changes so much else.

My boyfriend and I both try to stick to paleo now. He's new to it and very large in stature. The weight was melting off him after the first month, even with some carb and dairy cheating sometimes.

Fuck, but I love rice, pasta, bread and chocolate D:.

Even working towards cutting them out and replacing them with healthier alternatives helps a lot. I simply have 70% (preferably higher) dark chocolate, use coconut or almond flour if I really feel the need to have something bread related, spaghetti squash is a GREAT alternative to pasta that I love the taste of and I even have brown rice in my diet occasionally.

:3
 

Dash27

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What in the world is this.

The sugar/carbs thing works. I cut it out years ago and went from a pudgy 87 KG to a sleek 72~75KG in a few months. No yoyo either.

As short as I can make it:

- Eat carbs/sugar
- Secrete a lot of insulin
- Insulin signals fat cells to store fat
- get fatter
- eat more as a result.

I think this video is kinda uh... campy, but it's pretty good at summarizing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE

In fact I'll put it in the OP.
 
Yeah he says it in a "could be" sort of way. He makes the point he cant find a society with high carb (rice etc) and high sugar that is not obese. Whereas he finds poor, low calorie societies who are fat and some that are not fat, the difference is the fat ones eat a lot of sugar and they also have diabeties and similar physical problems.

So then is the main problem carbs, or high amounts of processed sugar? If someone were to cut out processed sugar but still eat noodles/rice/breads should they expect to lose weight?

My boyfriend and I both try to stick to paleo now. He's new to it and very large in stature. The weight was melting off him after the first month, even with some carb and dairy cheating sometimes.

Out of curiosity, why is dairy considered cheating?
 

Rad-

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Low-carb is amazing. You don't get those tired feelings anymore and you can actually build muscle with the diet too because of the high protein and (good) fat intake.

However I have heard there are so called zero-carb diets. Those are horrible. You still need some energy (= carbs) and if you don't eat enough carbs you can notice it easily with increased headaches etc.
 

entremet

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So then is the main problem carbs, or high amounts of processed sugar? If someone were to cut out processed sugar but still eat noodles/rice/breads should they expect to lose weight?

If you're insulin resistant, it will probably be much easier to cut them out completely. I'm taking about day to day eating.

When you're insulin resistant the carb source doesn't matter much.
 
Jusy have to say yep. Taking out grains and gmo from your diet and replacing them with more fruits veggies is a great idea. Then eat some higher quality meat.

American standard diet is basically making people slowly die and get sick instead of making them thrive.
Yeah, it's based on carbs and especially sugar. And that is without mentioning all the fucked up additions they put in the food. Msg being one of the worst.
 

Dash27

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So then is the main problem carbs, or high amounts of processed sugar? If someone were to cut out processed sugar but still eat noodles/rice/breads should they expect to lose weight?

I would say yes absolutely cutting sugar would be a good thing, how much your body changes depends on your starting point.

For me, I think my big problem is sugar. I have had my best success at being lean when I eat little to no sugar and little to no bread/pasta type carbs. As much unprocessed veggies, fruit and protein as I want.
 

entremet

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I'm pretty sure I'm not insulin resistant. Not yet at least. Can you suddenly become insulin resistant?

Well fat around the belly is a good indicator for males. Also insulin resistance can be reversed, called increasing your insulin sensitivity with exercise and diet. Insulin resistance is also a scale and not binary.

Which is why we always here of people who eat like shit but look great cause they do tons of exercise activity.

However, when you stop the activity the pounds come back on.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/07/25/1110105108
 
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