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[T0minator]

A PlayStation Experience event at the end of the year needs to comes back. I've always wanted to go to one of those events and meet other fans and the PlayStation developers.

I could see next year being the perfect time to have an event like that. Showing off most of these games that we know are in development

The Last of Us Online Naughty Dog. 2024
Marathon - Bungie. 2024/2025
Wolverine - Insomniac 2024
Concord FPS- Firewalk 2024
New Espionage IP/MP - Bend Studios. 2024
Ghost of Tsushima 2 - Sucker Punch 2025
New IP Neil Druckmann - Naughty Dog 2025
New Cory Barlog Sci-fi IP - Santa Monica 2025
3D Action Platformer- Asobi 2025
God of War Egypt - Santa Monica 2027
TLOU Part 3 - Naughty Dog 2026
Horizon 3 Nemesis - Guerilla 2027
New IP - Bluepoint 2024
New IP - Housemarque 2025
New IP - Media Molecule 2026
New Fantasy MP - London Studios 2025
New Multiplayer IP - Insomniac 2025
Twisted Metal/Horror Adventure- Firesprite
Fairgame$ MP - Haven 2025
Horizon Co-op MP game - Guerrilla 2025
Helldivers 2 - Arrowhead 2024
Stellar Blade - Shift Up. 2024
Rise of the Ronin - Team Ninja. 2024
Death Stranding 2 - KojiPro 2024
New Uncharted game - ND/Visual Arts 2025

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

You think like Phil.

No not really. Gta/RDR 3rd party sells Wells on ps5

Fifa sells well on ps5

Hogwarts sells well on ps5

Resident evil sells well on ps5

There all pretty much 3rd party games and only a few from first party studios and if there gonna be gobbled up by Microsoft or tercent and sony does sod all and doesn't buy then they would pretty much be F**ked

 

[bender]

It's probably more to do with my lack of interest in a lot of their IP, but it really feels like their output has slowed down a ton.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Lies of J....

At least he's lying less than Spinochio.

 

[Klayzer]

This gen Sony lost me with their first party games, 99% games I'm excited about for PS5 are most 3rd party games.

Same

 

[IDKFA]

I guess they see that pandora's box is open and most 3rd party will get gobbled up, this industry is going to look so different next-gen

There won't be any independent publishers or developers next gen.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Says the guy that has posted more than 20 thousands messages in less than 4 years.

Well your wrong about that.

Means that I win.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

...wouldn't that make them a first party studio?

Yes and they would make more money off them instead of 3rd party royalties

 

[systemr123]

You think like Phil.

Yep he does, and Jim is right. Look how Nintendo does it, just copy from a winning formula like that.

 

[sinnergy]

They must become Nintendo killer of games .

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Looks like we are in the era of vengeful Sony.

Sony is about to make some huge acquisitions of their own

 

[solidus12]

Sounds like the typical Sony behavior.

Beginning of gen : "Third parties are the best, we love third parties, let's pay them to block games on PS and fill our lineup".

And then a few years later, when enough first party games are finally nearing completion : "Our first party line-up is awesome, first party power, here our next show won't even have third parties because we want to sell first party games".

Can't wait for their next show that will feature only 4 first party games and a guy playing the flute.

Yeah yeah Xbox is winning, blah blah blah

 

[Masterri]

In short, even more GaaS.
Truly a visionary.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

This is great news If you enjoy their 3rd-person cinematic story games. If you prefer the 3rd-party games and content () then this is not good news. 3rd-party has been the backbone of PlayStation since day one.

Third party is available on the competition

First party is the swing vote that gets PlayStation their market share

Even if only 1/10 of their install base buys a first party game and 10/10 buy cod, another first party game will get another 1/10 and so on and so forth. In the end those 10 could have gotten an Xbox but they all went PS because of a first party title

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Looks like we are in the era of vengeful Sony.

Sony is about to make some huge acquisitions of their own

Kojima to reveal "Punished Ryan" with an eye patch when they finally do a live event again and he will vengefully announce the buying of square, Capcom, Sega, and Konami

 

[Woopah]

Wait a minute there. The story for the last 30 years has been that PlayStation owes its success to having all the third parties, and that Nintendo fell off from grace because they had no third parties for many of their home systems before the Switch. I mean, copying Nintendo’s been Sony’s regular modus operandi for decades, but this one seems a bit contradictory.

In the PS1 days, the combined power of third party exclusives were more powerful than Nintendo's console output. The situation is different today because:

• The industry is moving more and more multiplatform
• Nintendo's third party support is much improved from the N64
• In some places (such as Asia) Nintendo's output is now more powerful than third parties' output combined

Sony is being very smart in differentiating itself through a stronger first party output.

What does he mean?

Some gets a 30% share from third party sale, but a much a higher share from a first party sale.

Therefore first party is more profitable

 

[cireza]

Yeah yeah Xbox is winning, blah blah blah

 

[X-Wing]

It's probably more to do with my lack of interest in a lot of their IP, but it really feels like their output has slowed down a ton.

2023 was the only bad year really...

Since PS5 launch:

2020:
- Spiderman Miles Morales
- Demon's Souls
- Sackboy

2021:
- Returnal
- Ratchet and Clank
- Destruction all stars
- Ghost of Tsushima DLC

2022:
- GT7
- Forbidden West
- God of War Ragnarok

 

[Woopah]

2023 was the only bad year really...

Since PS5 launch:

2020:
- Spiderman Miles Morales
- Demon's Souls
- Sackboy

2021:
- Returnal
- Ratchet and Clank
- Destruction all stars
- Ghost of Tsushima DLC

2022:
- GT7
- Forbidden West
- God of War Ragnarok

Exactly, all publishers have an off year from time to time. 2024 will be better from Sony.

 

[rofif]

Well hopefully so. I am waiting jim.
that 4080 is looking at me. You better release some exclusives jim

 

[T0minator]

In short, even more GaaS.
Truly a visionary.

Well, less than half of what they're working on is Grass. It's a nice mix in development that we know of.

Spider-Man 2 - Insomniac 2023
The Last of Us Online Naughty Dog. 2024
Marathon - Bungie. 2024
Wolverine - Insomniac 2024
Concord FPS- Firewalk 2024
New Espionage IP/MP - Bend Studios. 2024
Ghost of Tsushima 2 - Sucker Punch 2025
New IP Neil Druckmann - Naughty Dog 2025
New Cory Barlog Sci-fi IP - Santa Monica 2025
3D Action Platformer- Asobi 2025
God of War Egypt - Santa Monica 2027
TLOU Part 3 - Naughty Dog 2026
Horizon 3 Nemesis - Guerilla 2027
New IP - Bluepoint 2024
New IP - Housemarque 2025
New IP - Media Molecule 2026
New Fantasy MP - London Studios 2025
New Multiplayer IP - Insomniac 2025
Twisted Metal/Horror Adventure- Firesprite
Fairgame$ MP - Haven 2025
Horizon Co-op MP game - Guerrilla 2025
Helldivers 2 - Arrowhead 2024
Stellar Blade - Shift Up. 2024
Rise of the Ronin - Team Ninja. 2024
Death Stranding 2 - KojiPro 2024
New Uncharted game - ND/Visual Arts 2025

 

[Perrott]

A PlayStation Experience event at the end of the year needs to comes back. I've always wanted to go to one of those events and meet other fans and the PlayStation developers.

I could see next year being the perfect time to have an event like that. Showing off most of these games that we know are in development

The Last of Us Online Naughty Dog. 2024
Marathon - Bungie. 2024/2025
Wolverine - Insomniac 2024
Concord FPS- Firewalk 2024
New Espionage IP/MP - Bend Studios. 2024
Ghost of Tsushima 2 - Sucker Punch 2025
New IP Neil Druckmann - Naughty Dog 2025
New Cory Barlog Sci-fi IP - Santa Monica 2025
3D Action Platformer- Asobi 2025
God of War Egypt - Santa Monica 2027
TLOU Part 3 - Naughty Dog 2026
Horizon 3 Nemesis - Guerilla 2027
New IP - Bluepoint 2024
New IP - Housemarque 2025
New IP - Media Molecule 2026
New Fantasy MP - London Studios 2025
New Multiplayer IP - Insomniac 2025
Twisted Metal/Horror Adventure- Firesprite
Fairgame$ MP - Haven 2025
Horizon Co-op MP game - Guerrilla 2025
Helldivers 2 - Arrowhead 2024
Stellar Blade - Shift Up. 2024
Rise of the Ronin - Team Ninja. 2024
Death Stranding 2 - KojiPro 2024
New Uncharted game - ND/Visual Arts 2025

They weren't able to get their shit together just enough so they could have another AAA first-party game release this year alongside Spider-Man 2 and you think they'll be dropping nearly 10 first-party games next year, including new Naughty Dog, Bluepoint, Insomniac and Bend games? Yeah, no. That's not gonna happen, especially with the ongoing actors strike.

2023 was the only bad year really...

Since PS5 launch:

2020:
- Spiderman Miles Morales
- Demon's Souls
- Sackboy

2021:
- Returnal
- Ratchet and Clank
- Destruction all stars
- Ghost of Tsushima DLC

2022:
- GT7
- Forbidden West
- God of War Ragnarok

Yeah, and to your point, there are even a few more of titles that you forgot to include:

2020

• Astro's Playroom
• Demon's Souls
• Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
• Sackboy: A Big Adventure

2021

• Death Stranding Director's Cut
• Destruction AllStars
• Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut
• Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
• Returnal

2022

• God of War: Ragnarök
• Gran Turismo 7
• Horizon: Forbidden West
• The Last Of Us Part I

Pretty good cadence of releases, even with its delays (Helldivers 2 should have come out in 2022 originally) and likely even some cancellations (Toyama's game). Too bad that what followed was an extremely poor 2023 in terms of first-party, likely due to the reboot of Factions and Twisted Metal, as well as further delays of Helldivers 2.

 

[Nankatsu]

He is basically saying Xbox can buy as much studios as they want, if they don't know how to use them, Sony just needs to continue to do the same.

Easy as that.

 

[Rockman33]

What he means is they are spending over half their money on GAAS projects since that’s where most of their 3rd party revenue comes from.

 

[Elder Legend]

Yes Jim, you are so much less reliant on 3rd party that FF7 Remake and FF7 Rebirth are every other FF title continues to stay on PlayStation as an "exclusive" and Square Enix constantly bitches about the sales never meeting expectations.

I forgot how full the last PlayStation Showcase was of 1st party mega showings with gameplay demos from Sony Santa Monica and Naughty Dog. We even finally got a glimpse of Last of Us Factions. Oh wait... that was in my dreams.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

 

[Swagballs717]

Oh great, more Third Person Cinematic Experiences With Important Stories And Quick-Time Events.

The Last of Us being as successful as it was killed PlayStation's first party variety.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

It's easy to go up from just 2 games (only 1 AAA) in a year.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Looking forward to a big playstation showcase towards the end of the year that outlines first party plans for 2024.

Forget the third party money hat stuff, give us those amazing first party ips jimbo!

 

[Elder Legend]

Well hopefully so. I am waiting jim.
that 4080 is looking at me. You better release some exclusives jim

Wow pleb. Might as well just go for a 4090.

 

[Woopah]

Well, less than half of what they're working on is Grass. It's a nice mix in development that we know of.

Spider-Man 2 - Insomniac 2023
The Last of Us Online Naughty Dog. 2024
Marathon - Bungie. 2024
Wolverine - Insomniac 2024
Concord FPS- Firewalk 2024
New Espionage IP/MP - Bend Studios. 2024
Ghost of Tsushima 2 - Sucker Punch 2025
New IP Neil Druckmann - Naughty Dog 2025
New Cory Barlog Sci-fi IP - Santa Monica 2025
3D Action Platformer- Asobi 2025
God of War Egypt - Santa Monica 2027
TLOU Part 3 - Naughty Dog 2026
Horizon 3 Nemesis - Guerilla 2027
New IP - Bluepoint 2024
New IP - Housemarque 2025
New IP - Media Molecule 2026
New Fantasy MP - London Studios 2025
New Multiplayer IP - Insomniac 2025
Twisted Metal/Horror Adventure- Firesprite
Fairgame$ MP - Haven 2025
Horizon Co-op MP game - Guerrilla 2025
Helldivers 2 - Arrowhead 2024
Stellar Blade - Shift Up. 2024
Rise of the Ronin - Team Ninja. 2024
Death Stranding 2 - KojiPro 2024
New Uncharted game - ND/Visual Arts 2025

Where are you getting most of those release dates from?

 

[Elder Legend]

Where are you getting most of those release dates from?

Pretty those are just his personal assumptions and speculation. Last of Us 3 will not be out that soon though that's for sure. Most likely will be released in 2028 before PS6 launch in the holiday just how TLOU came out in 2013 same year as PS4 launch and TLOU 2 in 2020 same year as PS5 launch.

 

[Elder Legend]

Looking forward to a big playstation showcase towards the end of the year that outlines first party plans for 2024.

Forget the third party money hat stuff, give us those amazing first party ips jimbo!

I wish this was true. I highly doubt we are getting another PS Showcase this year.

 

[Camreezie]

More transparency with what the top talented studios are working on would be nice.

Naughty Dog - Factions
Sucker Punch - ???
Sony Santa Monica - ???
Insomniac - Spiderman 2 / Wolverine
Guerilla - ???
Housemarque - ???
Bend - ???
Bluepoint - ???
Arrowhead - Helldivers 2

Not exactly awe inspiring

 

[RCU005]

Is it me or does this generation Sony has been low on 1st party games? Also, there hasn’t really been but a few built-from-the-ground-up PS5 games.

Another thing that worries me about this gen, and they had it on their corporate slides, is that they wanted to invest ~60% on live service games and only ~40% on single player/regular games; when they used to invest like ~80% on the PS4.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

When's Guerilla going to announce their new project Cry of War? They only have Call of Duty for 10 more years and the clock is ticking

 

[Elder Legend]

More transparency with what the top talented studios are working on would be nice.

Naughty Dog - Factions
Sucker Punch - ???
Sony Santa Monica - ???
Insomniac - Spiderman 2 / Wolverine
Guerilla - ???
Housemarque - ???
Bend - ???
Bluepoint - ???


Not exactly awe inspiring

Yep, this is the issue that I have with Sony this gen. They are keeping mum for so long and we are about to hit the halfway point. It's really just annoying and exhausting now.

I believe Sucker Punch is doing Ghost of Tshusima 2 though it was leaked via LinkedIn job description or something.

Naughty Dog is doing like e different things. Factions, New IP, TLOU 3.

 

[Camreezie]

Yep, this is the issue that I have with Sony this gen. They are keeping mum for so long and we are about to hit the halfway point. It's really just annoying and exhausting now.

I believe Sucker Punch is doing Ghost of Tshusima 2 though it was leaked via LinkedIn job description or something.

To be clear I only listed what has been confirmed

 

[Clintizzle]

Meanwhile Microsoft is like - "3rd party??? Ohhh you mean future MS 1st party "

 

[Danjin44]

More transparency with what the top talented studios are working on would be nice.

Naughty Dog - Factions
Sucker Punch - ???
Sony Santa Monica - ???
Insomniac - Spiderman 2 / Wolverine
Guerilla - ???
Housemarque - ???
Bend - ???
Bluepoint - ???
Arrowhead - Helldivers 2

Not exactly awe inspiring

All them from their western devs……this is sad as fuck. My day getting excited for Sony first party games is officially over.

 

[rofif]

Wow pleb. Might as well just go for a 4090.

but if I accepted 4090 into my home, that would mean I need to accept new psu, motherboard and real cpu (like intel and not this 3700x piece of shit)

 

[Elder Legend]

but if I accepted 4090 into my home, that would mean I need to accept new psu, motherboard and real cpu (like intel and not this 3700x piece of shit)

So you have decided to choose the beta life I see not the sigma.

 

[T0minator]

When's Guerilla going to announce their new project Cry of War? They only have Call of Duty for 10 more years and the clock is ticking

After this year they won't focus on CoD anymore they'll heavily market their own Marathon and Concord FPS games as well as continuing Destiny for awhile longer.

Concord and Marathon will be their big FPS focus next year and beyond. From what it seems

 

[Elder Legend]

After this year they won't focus on CoD anymore they'll heavily market their own Marathon and Concord FPS games as well as continuing Destiny for awhile longer.

Concord and Marathon will be their big FPS focus next year and beyond. From what it seems

What is the difference between Concord and Marathon? I know Marathon is a Bungie game. Is Concord Bungie too? I don't remember.

 

[T0minator]

Pretty those are just his personal assumptions and speculation. Last of Us 3 will not be out that soon though that's for sure. Most likely will be released in 2028 before PS6 launch in the holiday just how TLOU came out in 2013 same year as PS4 launch and TLOU 2 in 2020 same year as PS5 launch.

Those dates are the dates I'm assuming they'll be showing off those games, not necessarily the release dates. A few of those like The Last of Us Online I can see them revealing and releasing within a short time span

 

[rofif]

So you have decided to choose the beta life I see not the sigma.

for real, been eyeing deals on 4080 and 5800x3d. That's the cheapest I can upgrade my pc right now. But to be honest, only very few couple games destroy my 3080 but it is suffering lol.
Also, how is ram doing nowadays? I have 16gb 3200mhz memory. Would I benefit from 32gb in the case of going 5800x3d/4080 ?
I don't think so ?

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Jimbo about to purchase Square Enix so they dont need to pay for 3rd party exclusives.
I hate the way the industry is going, but after MS two giant aquisitions that stole alot of multiplatform IPs from Playstation players, i hope Sony follow up with some smart aquisitions that dosent involve paying premium for a single studio to keep them self published, like Bungie. Dumbest purchase in PS history.

Won't be as dumb once other Sony MP games don't turn out like shit because of the experience Bungie brings.


Plus I do imagine that there is a time limit on this "vassal state" thing and eventually they'll start making PlayStation exclusive games.

 

[Robbinhood]

Sadly they have no choice but to acquire acquire acquire thanks to MS. Square first and a big publisher next. I love what I’m hearing about expanding existing teams, Jimnbo gets it.

The amount of studios they use to have won’t cut it with longer dev times so expanding teams is very smart.

 

[Woopah]

More transparency with what the top talented studios are working on would be nice.

Naughty Dog - Factions
Sucker Punch - ???
Sony Santa Monica - ???
Insomniac - Spiderman 2 / Wolverine
Guerilla - ???
Housemarque - ???
Bend - ???
Bluepoint - ???
Arrowhead - Helldivers 2

Not exactly awe inspiring

Most of those studios released games I'm the last 2-3 years. I don't think it's that surprising that they are not ready to show what they're working on yet.

 

[Elder Legend]

for real, been eyeing deals on 4080 and 5800x3d. That's the cheapest I can upgrade my pc right now. But to be honest, only very few couple games destroy my 3080 but it is suffering lol.
Also, how is ram doing nowadays? I have 16gb 3200mhz memory. Would I benefit from 32gb in the case of going 5800x3d/4080 ?
I don't think so ?

I got a White DDR5 Kingston Fury 64GB Stick Set for $240 https://amzn.to/3PS82eF pretty good I'd say. But I do a lot of rendering for video and 3d software as well.