Dee Dah Dave
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Centre left overall with one or two right leaning stances. I have zero in common with the far left and regressives though, who are nothing but clueless morons and give the ordinary left a bad name.
Scandinavia and other parts of Europe prob
But not sure what you mean by "worked"
Centre left overall with one or two right leaning stances. I have zero in common with the far left and regressives though, who are nothing but clueless morons and give the ordinary left a bad name.
Oh yeah the ones in which the right is highly on the raise and Sweden has a lot of no go zones because of their politics? Or Denmark who is rightwing and become very anti-immigrant? as well? Sweeden right now is an absolute disaster and next elections most likely a right wing country. The problem is exact the same we had back in Weimar before Hitler. Weimar gave someone like Hitler even the chance to raise to power.
I rather universal basic income cover this.
I don't want to sound heartless and not want people who for a fact cannot work be left behind, but I really don't want a system in a place that rewards people for staying at home and do nothing.
If society empowers the individual to work for themselves, they become less dependent on others to subsidize their life for them. It also means we could have more millionaires who create services or develop strategies that benefits everyone, disabled people included.
Some people say the Axis was bad. Other people say the Allies were bad.
The answer, as always, is in the middle.
Some people say the Axis was bad. Other people say the Allies were bad.
The answer, as always, is in the middle.
the us has swung pretty hard right in the last few years, guess center/right doesn't work either
Who the fuck says the allies were bad?
The problem is that the left or democratic parties have become so blind and deaf towards the people and just follow some ideolgy or idenity politics that its pretty easy for the right to gain votes. And this is happening all over the world
'And the only way to actually prevent this is that democratic parties needs to start to listen to actual people not the tumblr or social media crowd-
The problem is that the left or democratic parties have become so blind and deaf towards the people and just follow some ideolgy or idenity politics that its pretty easy for the right to gain votes. And this is happening all over the world
'And the only way to actually prevent this is that democratic parties needs to start to listen to actual people not the tumblr or social media crowd-
Pat Buchanan. Andrew Anglin. Richard Spencer. Don't you want to meet in the middle with me? It's a great place to be!
so left politics could work with better leaders?
And that's another problem I want to address.That is very idealistic. The issue is the western world is capitalist before democratic. Our leaders will always do what is profitable for the individual before doing what is right for the incapable.
I don't think they would starve. The free market exists to prevent that. Historically, it was the socialist governments who failed to keep a population well nourished.Lord Thrappleper said:Her father worked what he could to try and provide an income, but she's so unwell now she required 24 hour supervision. They would have both starved to death a long time ago if it werent for his benefits. You cant exactly ask a father to stop loving his daughter so he can go out, get a job, and fit in/prove his worth to society can you?
And that's another problem I want to address.
I hate corruption. Politicians need to work just as hard instead of also receiving a blank cheque just because they sat in parliament all day and clapped whenever the Prime Minister opened his mouth.
In my mind, they're just as bad if not worse than welfare, because they're flagrant about sucking up tax dollars. So I'm not ok with them either.
I don't think they would starve. The free market exists to prevent that. Historically, it was the socialist governments who failed to keep a population well nourished.
Again, I'm not saying I want to be heartless and not understand how difficult that situation is, but if the government subsidizes your life, there's no incentive to work harder. It's not fair for people like me who also came from bad homes or had an unfair life but I made an effort to not whine about it all day and got a job.
So i went and researched these people. They are literally evil incarnate. How can they look their parents/grandparents in the eyes and tell them they were wrong for fighting?
I don't think they would starve. The free market exists to prevent that. Historically, it was the socialist governments who failed to keep a population well nourished.
What are you talking about? The free market absolutely does not solve the problem of sustaining someone who cannot offer their labor on the market. Plenty of people were and are mal and under nourished in capitalist societies.
The reasons some socialist societies had issues with hunger was because they made really bad decisions that caused problems with food production and distribution.
Lol, if you think centrism wouldn't oppose Hitler.Dude Abides said:I don't know personally, but if you think centrism for centrism's sake is a good, as many here seem to, you have to say the parents/grandparents were somewhat in the wrong.
So why is it all the free countries are not starving to death? Under a free market, there is competition to deliver cheaper foods and goods.
Socialism has shown many times it cannot predict the needs of a population. With no incentive to work harder, shortages run rampant and everyone dies.
Lol, if you think centrism wouldn't oppose Hitler.
He already seized power illegally. Then violated treaties placed on Germany. And then declared war in the name of expanding Germany's borders.
So why is it all the free countries are not starving to death? Under a free market, there is competition to deliver cheaper foods and goods. Or someone with their own private wealth can start up soup kitchens or charities to feed those people.
Socialism has shown many times it cannot predict the needs of a population. With no incentive to work harder, shortages run rampant and everyone dies.
Lol, if you think centrism wouldn't oppose Hitler.
He already seized power illegally. Then violated treaties placed on Germany. And then declared war in the name of expanding Germany's borders.
We aren't talking about the "free countries" starving to death. We're talking about what happens to individuals in a free-market society who have no ability to earn an income. It doesn't matter if food is cheap if you have zero income. Absent charity or some form of wealth redistribution, individuals who cannot sell their labor on the market will be unable to buy food and will starve.
That socialism has failed (though it's obviously ridiculous and false to say "everyone dies" of starvation) does not mean that the free market is perfect.
Also he didn't seize power illegally. The NSDAP won the majority of seats in the Reichstag and Hindenburg lawfully appointed Hitler chancellor. Another lol for you I guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
Hitler had became a dictator and could suppress other parties. Not very democratic.
One thing people often miss about welfare is that it goes back into the economy. People use it to buy goods and services which supports people who do work. Abolish that and it's not just the recipients that will feel it. It would guarantee an increase in crime as well.
Oh yeah the ones in which the right is highly on the raise and Sweden has a lot of no go zones because of their politics? Or Denmark who is rightwing and become very anti-immigrant? as well? Sweeden right now is an absolute disaster and next elections most likely a right wing country. The problem is exact the same we had back in Weimar before Hitler. Weimar gave someone like Hitler even the chance to raise to power.
But that money for welfare has to come from somewhere. And when it comes from hardworking people's paychecks then that's not fair.
Give the government all the power or let the government run your life, and it turns into a race to the bottom, with only the politicians living the good life, and all hard workers are worked to death having to feed everyone else.
Um replace politicians with the elite wealthy and look we are here in America right now
I'm not condemning them. Money isn't a right. Let other people decide what they do with their paycheck but don't arbitrarily take it away from everyone if they don't agree to it.It's more unfair to condemn people who can't work through no fault of their own to personal ruin.
Imagine if all society chose not to work because they all want government handouts? The sympathy should be for the employed because they're the ones keeping society running. If the government runs out of money, whose fault will that be?Even with welfare they're still stuck in relative poverty and have to deal with people like you looking down on them and wanting to take away the only lifeline they have.
1. Right is not on the rise anywhere. Sweden Democrats will never be allowed to be part of a ruling coalition in Sweden. In Finland the anti-immigrant right lost half their support and imploded after showing how incompetent they are when given the chance to be part of a governing coalition.
2. Sweden has no no go zones, only people who believe far right propaganda or watch RT would believe that.
3. Denmark has always been right wing and anti-immigrant, it's not a recent thing
4. Sweden is in no way a disaster, only people who believe far right propaganda would believe that. They've had the fastest growing economy in Europe for many years in a row.
5. No, it's nothing like Weimar before Hitler.
And yet despite this, Sweden is experiencing the same rise in anti-establishment nationalism as the rest of Europe and the US. Latest polling suggests support for the Sweden Democrats has risen to 21.5 per cent, putting them just behind the ruling Social Democrats, with 25.7 per cent of support.
I'm not condemning them. Money isn't a right. Let other people decide what they do with their paycheck but don't arbitrarily take it away from everyone if they don't agree to it.
Where's the race for the bottom when Microsoft or Disney make lots of money? If anything, the richer companies have gotten, the more advanced technologies and entertainment trickles down to the middle and working class thanks to free market competition.
Nonsense. Taxes aren't arbitrary. It's how modern society works. Public funding has to come from somewhere. You also benefit from public spending yourself whether you realise it or not. Do you feel the same way about military spending and corporate welfare or is it just the poorest people in society that draw your ire?
Air Zombie Meat said:Do you feel the same way about military spending and corporate welfare or is it just the poorest people in society that draw your ire?
It sucks but if people don't like it, they turn to another service. That's how the free market works.Right now Amazon is going to secure billions in tax breaks and benefits for a new hq, billionaire sports owners are getting stadiums paid for by cities, and the "gig economy" is employing millions of people as "contractors" with zero benefits
But we have smartphones and good shows to watch on them
What sucks? What other service would they turn to?
You're right tho, the free market works by exploiting the desperate
You're right tho, the free market works by exploiting the desperate
Well, it's not free market advocates that cling on to political power by pretending to care about desperate people.
Start your own?
This is what I mean about personal responsibility. Don't let the government think for you or wait for them to take action.
If you disagree with something, you can easily vote with your wallet in which case, companies always listen.
thats exactly how trump got elected
start my own what?
And those hardworking people are understood to be at a baseline level of well-being that other people in society are not currently at and it'd be unfair to expect them to perform the exact same. Either way, no one earns money in a vacuum, the myth of the rugged individualist needs to die, we all benefit from each other's labor.Modern society is hard working people making contributions that the government collects from. No one is entitled to another person's money if they worked for it themselves. So all the power should rest with the job creators, not the government.
See above. What you work for is your property. No one else has the right to take that away from you. If someone wants to opt out of spending for the military, that's their right.
It sucks but if people don't like it, they turn to another service. That's how the free market works.
Are you happy with the outcome of your vote?
Trump seems like the type of guy whos paid for an abortion or two in his lifetime, doncha think?
Welcome. I am a Latin-mass Trad myself. I tried to get Catholic threads going a few times in the past, but are always dominated by anti-Catholic rhetoric or Cafeteria "Catholics" coming in and listing all the things they disagree with. Modern catechization is pure shit.
If you don't like Amazon, you can boycott them or create your own online shopping service.
Otherwise, what is the complaint?
Start your own?
This is what I mean about personal responsibility. Don't let the government think for you or wait for them to take action.
If you disagree with something, you can easily vote with your wallet in which case, companies always listen.
thats exactly how trump got elected
You got me there, but his campaign was more centered around nationalism and nationalism just sucks.
Your ideas are old and failed, more effective at thought experiments than actually providing a foundation for a healthy, just society. Evidence for that is all around you, just look at which countries are succeeding in education, happiness, equality, etc. None of those countries adhere remotely to libertarian ideology.
Well I already said I'm against handouts so I'm not sure what your point is. Amazon participating in it is not what I defended.I believe we were talking about the race to the bottom. My complaint is that large corporations and wealthy individuals feed on my tax dollars while "creating" shitty jobs in return
And those hardworking people are understood to be at a baseline level of well-being that other people in society are not currently at and it'd be unfair to expect them to perform the exact same. Either way, no one earns money in a vacuum, the myth of the rugged individualist needs to die, we all benefit from each other's labor.