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What does NEOGAF think of the graphics on Wii U's second wave of games
- Thread starter CrisKre
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Until retro shows what they've been working on I won't know what to think about the wii u. Every game they've shown so far looks like it could be done on the PS3 or 360. That's far from bad though, the problem is they haven't had a graphical power house exclusive. Where is nintendo's Halo 4 or God of war 3? Something that just looks great.
Thanks.
superchunk
Member
I don't understand why people don't like the way pikmin3 looks. The texture and details loom fantastic to me.
Steve Youngblood
Member
This wording seems overly definitive given how little we've seen of the game. I'm not really sure if viewing it on a large TV versus a computer monitor is really what was holding us back from settling this once and for all.
Projectjustice
Banned
Well its more of a personal opinion then anything else. Ive played a lot of open scaled games on my 360 and none of them had the level of detail thats seen in the X trailer.
DreadPirateRoberts
Member
The textures are fine, the problem is they need better anisotropic filtering.
Although I agree with you on this stuff, it is a 'modern' console...
..and even think all this is cool, I am disappointed graphically. I liked the power+Nintendo of the SNES and N64 times, it suited the awe-inspiring nature of their titles like Mario and Zelda. They have shifted to positioning themselves as the Disney of games, letting the other two duke it out for those graphics. Part of Nintendo taking that approach is that their games are polished as all hell. When this is wedded to creativity, fun, color, scale, etc as in Galaxy or Xenogears, it can replicate that powerful Nintendo in my mind, and challenge the beauty of Uncharted or Halo. It's just that that is now one branch of company, and the larger NTDOY manufactures hardware to generate profit.
"Look at me, i am a so much better gamer than you because i like everything" please stop this crap you are not better than anyone, people are different if he likes power let him be... also power can be disappointing beyond personal level because it can influence the decisions if the games come on the console or not and can create new types of gameplay.
Also...
1) He didn't say that the hardware is 7 y/o but that is on par of one of a 7 y/o
2) the CPU is a mix between 1998 and 2012 hardware... not exactly the finest thing around not even by 2005-6 standards
3) the GPU at the very best is a mid-low range 2008 one that's 5 years ago again not the very best thing around
The Miracast is the only fairly new (and costly) thing of the console
thiswasavailable
Banned
After running through this whole thread, my answer to the topic is as follows:
1) Second wave of games (if that is what they are) are highly disappointing in the graphics department
2) I think we need to see higher end PC games like Far Cry 3 on the Wii U in order to truly compare to PS3 / 360. A game like Far Cry 3 is so taxing on current consoles that major concessions have to be made to image quality and etc. Seeing how many concessions are made on the Wii in comparison would be interesting
1) Second wave of games (if that is what they are) are highly disappointing in the graphics department
2) I think we need to see higher end PC games like Far Cry 3 on the Wii U in order to truly compare to PS3 / 360. A game like Far Cry 3 is so taxing on current consoles that major concessions have to be made to image quality and etc. Seeing how many concessions are made on the Wii in comparison would be interesting
Version 3.0
Member
Any port that's better/worse than PS3/360 would more likely spark a debate about the quality of the port, rather than the capabilities of the hardware. The real question is, "how do the most visually impressive games on each console compare?" Even though that's highly subjective, at least the question of whether the game could look significantly better shouldn't be an issue.
Personally, I'm impressed with that Xenoblade sequel. From the little we've seen, it does make me optimistic that it will compare favorably against the best the other consoles have to offer.
Well Trine 2 WiiU version is definitely better than PS360 and comes with features from the PC version that the other versions don't have.
No one counts Trine 2 though for whatever reason.
I'm guessing the graphics don't matter arguments will pop up again post GDC and especially after E3
OT: I really like the way monolith's game look. I'm no expert so I don't know how to break it down or anything. I did notice that wave looking like a triangle during the trailer tho. Other than that looks great.
Outside of that Yoshi island looks good I suppose. But that zelda HD video ..it hurts my eyes.
thehypocrite
Member
Not bad. Wii U owners are in for a ride.
Version 3.0
Member
Fun fact from 1993: the SNES has "Blaze" processing, which is faster than Blast Processing - proven in Claymates, whose main character, Clayton, can run faster than Sonic. Take that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymates
I once read an interview with one of the developers, who was quite derisive of "Blast Processing", and said any system could scroll faster than Sonic - which is why they put the joke in the game, of course. Silly stuff.
Version 3.0
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Are you sure that these are the same people? GAF is a big place. This generalization always bothers me, that it's the "same people" who, for example, supposedly don't think rumble matters when Sony didn't have it, then think it's great when they do. Or who think motion control is dumb, then jump on the Move or Kinect hype train. I doubt it's the same people, usually.
FairXchange
Member
My opinion of the 2nd wave games is that they look awesome, games like The Wonderful 101 look insanely detailed and that game from Monolith also looks ace. I'm a PS3 and 360 owner, and got the Wii U at launch. I don't know whether they're better than the current consoles, but the games look very good, and I'm pleased with that.
Which is why we need to make lists... many many lists. we need some sort of organization to keep track of who says what so that we know if the people who say thing x are the people who say thing y, AND THEN HAVE THEM SUMMARILY EXECUTED.
Schweinehund
Member
They look like ps3/360 first party titles. Very well done but its not a generational leap.
X is comparable to FF13.
X is comparable to FF13.
lol, a year from now, all WiiU games are "supposed" to like like shit when the new consoles comes out, we still have to see and tell
What details do you are talking about exactly? We have seen some ingame features & even on those showed lack of a lot of details seen on the others current open games from what it has showed until now. Yes, the impact is notable but tech wise is nothing beyond ps360 open games, to be honest shows even more limits of wiiU in this camp... bitmap grass over all. I don't think will change in the final version, because wiiU has a lot of problem with transparancies even more of ps3. But I concur, at the first glance still remain good to see.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Nintendo don't really make those sorts of games though? If you want cinematic HD everything then stick with firstparty sony games?
Haha I never knew that, interesting stuff! The 90's were fun times!
Seeing a lot of JC2 comparisons in here.
For the people who have played BOTH JC2 and Xenoblade to completion, i need an honest assessment of their scale in comparison to each other.
I have played Xenoblade to completion, i have not played JC2 to completion (PC version and i frankly could not stand the controls after the first couple of missions). Considering the Xenoblade dev was quoted as saying the world of Xenoblade from one end to the other is as big as the Japanese Archipelago, how does JC2 stack up against that?
http://www.1up.com/news/xenoblade
For the people who have played BOTH JC2 and Xenoblade to completion, i need an honest assessment of their scale in comparison to each other.
I have played Xenoblade to completion, i have not played JC2 to completion (PC version and i frankly could not stand the controls after the first couple of missions). Considering the Xenoblade dev was quoted as saying the world of Xenoblade from one end to the other is as big as the Japanese Archipelago, how does JC2 stack up against that?
http://www.1up.com/news/xenoblade
Just Cause 2 is freakin huge. To get from one end of the map to another in a plane can take a while. I've never played Xenoblade, but I can tell you that Just Cause 2 has to be the biggest open world in a game I've seen.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
They look like 360 games. Yoshi and Wind Waker both look great. But the dream of Wii U secretly being some beast console after all is over.
28 Posts Later
Member
No idea how large Xenoblades map is, but Just Cause 2's map is apparently around 400 square miles.
Edit: Yeah...see above.
Japanese archipelago covers an area of 145,925 square miles.
Projectjustice
Banned
The imagine quality isnt degraded in the background. Its as detailed in the foreground as it is in the background. PS360 cant do this on this scale.
Phonomezer
Banned
The Nintendo games look very charming, as per the company.
Nothing mind blowing, though.
Nothing mind blowing, though.
Just Cause 2 is freakin huge. To get from one end of the map to another in a plane can take a while. I've never played Xenoblade, but I can tell you that Just Cause 2 has to be the biggest open world in a game I've seen.
Pretty much if you can see it in Xenoblade you can get to it (Eventually lol, thank goodness for fast travel).
Some samples of the world of Xenoblade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAYBui5ghJ0 (Field Map Exploration 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CUNNyNK-4w (Field Map Exploration 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djR6J4izkqw (Field Map Exploration 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeG7_38JW-Y (Scale for first 3 areas in the world, about 22 in total all interlinked)
It also has immense vertical scale as well
I wouldn't be surprised if Xenoblade was only about 5% of the size of Just Cause 2.
Phonomezer
Banned
Wouldn't it make more sense to compare Xenoblade to Dragon's Dogma?
28 Posts Later
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Which doesn't really tell us anything, there's no way the playable area of Xenoblade is that large.
Why the hell is everyone saying these aren't 2nd wave? These wont be out for some months and they're definitely missing the "launch window" period (3-4 months).
Ppl are really saying 0th wave for the launch titles just because the they were rushed and not developed on full hardware? That's always been the case for 1st wave titles. These are def 2nd wave....
Ppl are really saying 0th wave for the launch titles just because the they were rushed and not developed on full hardware? That's always been the case for 1st wave titles. These are def 2nd wave....
Version 3.0
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1st wave = the first game from each developer
2nd wave = the 2nd game from each dev team. Using what they learned from creating the first game, they're often able to make a more technically impressive game.
JC2 is just so friggin huge. Might even be too huge. Mountains, cities, forests, ocean ..heck even locations in the sky! lol It takes a good amount of time to travel even with a plane. I seriously doubt xenoblade comes anywhere close to that...or any other game for that matter
28 Posts Later
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Fuel is the largest console game ever at 5,560 square miles.
Xenoblade has mountains, cities, forests, oceans, and locations in the sky as well.
why are you assuming? there is a lot of people here who have played both.
Obviously the devs are biased. How dare they put some effort to do the port!
Confidence Man
Member
X looks like Dragon's Dogma to me. Nice looking, but nothing more than current gen levels of detail, effects, etc...