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I don't think the library is lackluster, but the big exclusive lineup is.
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What is making the PS4 a massive success?
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Bright-Light
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Knack
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Nintendo and Microsoft dropped the ball, so Sony takes the cake.
The Ps4 is a very solid console, nothing spectacular yet. But what makes it so successful is that the competitors are worse and most consumers see it that way.
Also demand is high because last gen lasted very long and people wanted new tech.
The Ps4 is a very solid console, nothing spectacular yet. But what makes it so successful is that the competitors are worse and most consumers see it that way.
Also demand is high because last gen lasted very long and people wanted new tech.
Psycho_Mantis
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Well then you clearly don't understand how the gaming industry works. In your delusional world exclusives will make up the top selling games on a platform when in reality its mostly multi-platform games.
People claiming better first party games is laughable, but alright. All the companies have some strengths there. Sony has also hyped games that just haven't been good.
In all honesty, it was all a PR thing. After using both, I prefer the Xbox One is almost every regard. The only thing better about the PS4 is the indie support. Aside from that, if you were to compare them today as opposed to launch? Xbox One is far and away the better system as is, less power or not.
In all honesty, it was all a PR thing. After using both, I prefer the Xbox One is almost every regard. The only thing better about the PS4 is the indie support. Aside from that, if you were to compare them today as opposed to launch? Xbox One is far and away the better system as is, less power or not.
Majmun
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Really?
What do you think of the game install difference? Definitely more gamer-friendley...
That's what counts and why Ps4 is winning.
It's provided what the public understandably view as the best value proposition now that Wii U doesn't have popular third party support to appeal to the casuals and Xbox One kinda... well... apparently only seems to have meaningful appeal for brand loyalists (according to surveys).
It's pressing all the right buttons at the moment basically. Whether it'll last... well... hard to tell right now really.
Only seems to be widening as far as I can tell. Only going to widen further looking at the release schedules for both consoles imo.
Except it clearly isn't by any factual measure.
It's pressing all the right buttons at the moment basically. Whether it'll last... well... hard to tell right now really.
Only seems to be widening as far as I can tell. Only going to widen further looking at the release schedules for both consoles imo.
Except it clearly isn't by any factual measure.
The four P's of marketing:
Product - most powerful console but still has an attractive form factor.
Price - no explanation needed.
Promotion - #4thegamers etc were the right messages at the right time.
Place - they reached more countries in a shorter time compared to the competition.
Andrew House is a marketing man and it shows.
Product - most powerful console but still has an attractive form factor.
Price - no explanation needed.
Promotion - #4thegamers etc were the right messages at the right time.
Place - they reached more countries in a shorter time compared to the competition.
Andrew House is a marketing man and it shows.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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I'm aware of that. My point is that if it shares he same games with the competition and has worse big exclusives then clearly it's not the games that are the driving force behind its success compared to the competition.
HUELEN10
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I think the fact that you can actually add storage to the console so you don't have to deal with installs more than once is more consumer friendly, but that is just my opinion. It just seems more flexible overall and more direct. Even though it is more media-center like, it still feels like a console to me, which is a great plus in my eyes.
Psycho_Mantis
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Thats where stuff like price and brand image come into play. However that doesn't invalidate the importance of its gaming library. Just look at the WiiU and its poor sales.
The masses are not agreeing with you.
1st Course
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The competition being a joke surely helped too.
The quality of the exclusives is an entirely subjective matter though, the PS4 having a bigger library of games and the better versions of practically every non-exclusive is not though, so I don't think you can so easily dismiss the library as a driving force tbh.
davepoobond
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Consolidation of the market
Doctor_Thomas
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In what way?
YianGaruga
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The storage is not a factor at all for most people. That's a very niche problem. Why deleting and redownloading/re-installing games is such a huge deal to so many people on GAF is very strange to me.
I don't really know what you mean with "more flexible and direct".
Stereogatari
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In an under the bridge, Moe Szyslak kind of way.
It really depends on the exclusive games you're talking about. The thing is there are less exclusives in general now so it looks like less of a factor. If something like GTA5 had been exclusive it would have been the deciding factor for a lot of people.
I highly doubt it.
Shuggananas
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more remasters
Agreed, but just like PS3, Xbone can and will continue to recover.
The majority of the people doesn´t even really know what kind of RAM the PS4 has or if it´s able to run 1080P or not.
Only the hard core cares about this stuff , the "regular" gamer hear "It´s better" and believes it , even if it wouldn´t be the case.
The mass is all about the hype.
And Sony had a lot of that , plus good marketing and a perfect price point.
And people that are talking about exclusives please...
20 million consoles is a megaton and there are currently not a lot of good exclusives out there
Only the hard core cares about this stuff , the "regular" gamer hear "It´s better" and believes it , even if it wouldn´t be the case.
The mass is all about the hype.
And Sony had a lot of that , plus good marketing and a perfect price point.
And people that are talking about exclusives please...
20 million consoles is a megaton and there are currently not a lot of good exclusives out there
A number of things. MS shitting the bed early on and Sony saying all the right things helped. But i think that only really accounts for why PS4 is keeping pace in XB1's home region when last gen they were dominated in the same region with only half the sales consistently than 360.
No, the early word of mouth helped Sony, but i think it was more of a perfect storm. Price proposition, all about the games marketing, a focus on a diverse library,(versus the samey AAA shooter western blockbusters of XB1) of course more powerful components and i think there was also an element of people just wanting to try something different than what they had for 9 years
No, the early word of mouth helped Sony, but i think it was more of a perfect storm. Price proposition, all about the games marketing, a focus on a diverse library,(versus the samey AAA shooter western blockbusters of XB1) of course more powerful components and i think there was also an element of people just wanting to try something different than what they had for 9 years
Stilton Disco
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It's an incredibly well built gaming machine that marries innovative but not overbearing new ideas like share play, the touchpad, and remote play, with loads of games at a perfect value for money price and with excellent additional multi media applications.
It's not exactly hard to work out.
It's not exactly hard to work out.
Ghost Slayer
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So if microsoft and nintendo don't have any mistakes, Sony will be a loser???
Nemesis_
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If you think people walk into a store blind and ask WHAT ABOUT THE INSTALL TIMES then you're really wrong
Majmun
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Same goes for external storage option...
I was talking about the Ps4 being more gamer friendly. It doesn't need the multimedia options to succeed because people are clearly buying it for gaming only. And Sony has marketed it that way.
ScepticMatt
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Thats what I'm thinking. The other two really gave them the pole position on a silver platter.
Microsoft really phoned it in at the beginning, and Nintendo launched a underpowered hardware ignored by third parties.
Rhazer Fusion
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I actually think they are comparable to each other. Microsoft admittedly had an edge within the first months of release, but now I think the exclusives are much closer in quality.
Not who wrote that, but YEP. The mistakes of the others are why the PS4 is currently so successful. Microsoft basically set up their marketing for them.
Phoenician_Viking
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It has the games that people want at an affordable price.
Yeah, indie parity clause is all about flexibility and consumer friendliness.
Yeah, indie parity clause is all about flexibility and consumer friendliness.
How's the job at Sony? Good?
His Majesty
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Excellent marketing from Sony.
fredrancour
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MS hurt itself with the early marketing, price-point, and officially declaring many countries lower priorities.
Nintendo demolished itself by misunderstanding nearly every aspect of the market simultaneously. I say that as someone who owns like a dozen wiiu games.
The previous generation lasted for ages, so there might have been more people willing to buy new systems than there would have been with an earlier launch.
The biggest sales smashes for most of last gen were multi-platform titles, so odds are, whatever games people want can be found on either console, with some exceptions. Still, a person who buys GTA, CoD, and Madden/Fifa alongside some random other games is served by either pretty decently.
Nintendo demolished itself by misunderstanding nearly every aspect of the market simultaneously. I say that as someone who owns like a dozen wiiu games.
The previous generation lasted for ages, so there might have been more people willing to buy new systems than there would have been with an earlier launch.
The biggest sales smashes for most of last gen were multi-platform titles, so odds are, whatever games people want can be found on either console, with some exceptions. Still, a person who buys GTA, CoD, and Madden/Fifa alongside some random other games is served by either pretty decently.
ShadowkillXNA
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Better versions of virtually all multiplats and multiplats are the primary driver of system sales currently. The most stream lined and efficient ui of the current gen systems and playgo is a big part of that. So nice to pop in a disk for the first time and be playing within two minutes. Also the best controller ever made. Sony exclusives are nice as well.
Better multiplats, better controller and better ui were also the reasons I gamed exclusively on the 360 last gen.
Please show me the diverse library as opposed to the XB1? Don't worry, I'll wait.
Majukun
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it wouldn't be an as huge success...it's not like the ps4 is a must have at the moment
sony basically made everything right and simple,while microsoft and nintendo sabotaged themselves with stupidity and bad management.
basically the same error that sony made at the beginning of the ps3 era..only difference,they managed to recover because they corrected such mistakes..not without sacrifices..nintendo can't really correct theirs..microsoft probably can,but doesn't seem to want to.
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Lightning Count
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Better hardware
Sleeker look than the one
Better multiplatform performance on most titles
Compatible with 2.5 SATA HDD/SSD for easy upgrading of internal memory
Cross buy on Vita/PS3
Strong exclusives lined up
For me this is a personal point, but the PS4 is cooler than the one, I would wager there are others who share this view point.
Sleeker look than the one
Better multiplatform performance on most titles
Compatible with 2.5 SATA HDD/SSD for easy upgrading of internal memory
Cross buy on Vita/PS3
Strong exclusives lined up
For me this is a personal point, but the PS4 is cooler than the one, I would wager there are others who share this view point.