What's the time frame for a plan like this? Realistically when do we expect the X-men movies to make so little money that Fox is begging to unload the rights back on Disney/Marvel?
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What's the time frame for a plan like this? Realistically when do we expect the X-men movies to make so little money that Fox is begging to unload the rights back on Disney/Marvel?
ShadowSwordmaster
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And the Legion show too.
Frozenprince
Banned
Deadpool means the X-Men aren't going to Marvel/Disney for at least ten years.
Ya but if they get back a severely damaged subfranchise, is it possible to resuscitate it?
Are the movie people involved with that, cause it actually looks good
The Silver
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vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
It's a co-pro between Marvel TV & FOX, and yes, Bryan Singer and Simon Kinberg is involved too.
To be blunt, never.
If Sony was in a position like Fox I doubt Marvel treats them the same way, just because Spiderman is so ridiculously popular (especially in merchandising). They lucked out that Sony is completely incompetent.
excelsiorlef
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Nah it's all pretty much the baby of the guy who runs the Fargo TV series, that's why it looks great.
Exactly, think of the cost of actively destroying an extremely profitable property you only somewhat control and then think of the cost of trying to build that back up to where it is now that you have the rights back.
Then ask yourself if it wouldn't have been better to put that money towards Avengers 14: The Quest for Peace instead
ShadowSwordmaster
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I don't think so. It's a Fox and Marvel joint project, but I don't see any of the movie people involved.
absofuckinglutely. It costs them nothing to try this, if the brand somehow does tank irreversibly they're still not losing something of notable value to them right now, which is sad but true.
Come to think of it, Sentry looks a bit like Nuclear Man
That doesnt sound like Moore at all. Not to mention he has never been that attached to the stories he wrote for preexisting characters outside of Swamp Thing. I doubt he'd care unless prodding into an interview where he got all passive agressive.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
singers involved with legion? well no thanks to that shit. and i was actually looking forward to it
Alex_Mexico
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What's your source on this? No money at all? Are we sure about this???
Crimson_Echidna
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Just gimme this one time and I'll see it in theaters like 10 times.
A good moment for Scott? Ha, you'll get more Wolverine and Mystique and you'll enjoy it!
Yes we're sure, they signed away EXTREMELY unfavorable movie rights back then to keep from going under.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Noah Hawley from Fargo is the showrunner - given that Bryan Singer has been involved with the X-Men franchise from day 1, FOX enlisted him as one of the 8 producers announced for Legion, yes.
Outside of the usual royalty payment? No, because they're in a weird situation where Marvel/Disney has the ability to approve toys and merch based off the movie, but Fox would get the money, so Disney never approves them. The movies pretty much only make the money for Fox at the box office and that's it. And hollywood movies never officially make any money..
Gottem
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
D.Lo
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That's not really fair, since Fox built a franchise a decade earlier and essentially created the modern blockbuster superhero movies, espeacially for teams.
Marvel started way later and could both learn from what came before, plan better and iterate, due to the more stable and mature market they entered.
Fox have screwed up a bunch, but they were the ones that took the original risks. And they're semi-stuck in the 16 year old universe.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
? I'm just saying Singer is involved among other content creators/producers. I don't get your ok?
Mystique Everdeen no less
ShadowSwordmaster
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And those are the things they told us too. Who knows what secrets they are hiding in the movie itself.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
took the original risk? its not like wolverine wasnt an insanely popular character before, which showed in the movie. and even then, theyve always seemed neglectful to make comic book movies
it seemed to me like you were trying to say that since hes been around all this time that of course hed be involved, which doesnt change the fact that im no longer interested in the project due to his involvement
Adam Sadler
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Seems more like they just rather give more of a push to properties they are overall pushing the most
ShadowSwordmaster
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Probably a Eon cameo
I'm expecting it to happen.
Discotheque
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lol please. an xmen movie in 2000 was a very risky proposition. comic book films were just not an enticing genre at the time. not to mention Tom Rothman slashed the budget and forced Singer to prep the film far quicker than he was originally intended. does that really sound like they had so much faith in capitalizing on the character's popularity.
i know some of you guys despise the dude's movies but at least give credit where it's due.
terrible movie but Tim Riggins was all good as gambit. either way i don't see why the character is getting a solo movie. but i don't really see it happening either. it's got so many setbacks, channing tatum prolly gonna bounce soon enough. i don't know why he's so interested in that trainwreck property. he can make some cash on something else.
Funny thing is Marvel is helping Fox produce the show.
Discotheque
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Legion looks great, like it could be the first legit great show based on a comic book. They did good in bringing that Noah Hawley guy in.
or it could be a piece of crap, who knows. trailer was super promising though.
edit: also you're misinformed about Singer's involvement with Legion. just because he's listed as producer doesn't mean he has creative output in the series. i'm worried about kinberg though, i hope that guy isn't involved.
or it could be a piece of crap, who knows. trailer was super promising though.
edit: also you're misinformed about Singer's involvement with Legion. just because he's listed as producer doesn't mean he has creative output in the series. i'm worried about kinberg though, i hope that guy isn't involved.
excelsiorlef
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They might get credit but everything I've heard is it's all the Fargo guy in the driver's seat. So give it a chance
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
you act like there wasnt a market for action movies at the time, or like x-men did something that had never been done before
ElBoxyBrown
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So far their comics are becoming more of a dumpster fire than the movies.
I'm not shedding many tears about the X-Men not being in the MCU, but Ike Perlmutter's bitter vendetta regarding merchandising, while understandable from a business perspective, is incredibly disappointing.
F4, Doom, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Heralds, Frankie Raye, Annihilus, Kang, the Shiar, Kl'rt, etc. It's like half cosmic Marvel and one of the biggest villains in comics. Crazy huge loss.
F4, Doom, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Heralds, Frankie Raye, Annihilus, Kang, the Shiar, Kl'rt, etc. It's like half cosmic Marvel and one of the biggest villains in comics. Crazy huge loss.
Jorok Goldblade
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Lawrence and Jackman are out. Everything's coming up Quicksilver.
The Silver
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Is the Legion show set in the X-men universe?
Wanda/Wander
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Alex_Mexico
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If it was that simple they would've done that already.
Deadpool just made Fox $800 million on a $70 million budget. There's no way Fox will relinquish that cash cow right now.
Because they can not cut a check and make just as much money.
Are you really trying to pretend like the comic film market back then wasn't a poor space to be making a movie in? We're talking about a market that had had basically a handful of successful movies in DECADES, (Superman 1-3, batman 1-2, MILDLY blade, but he's not exactly a superhero in that sense). The X-men were popular with kids thanks to the cartoon but they weren't exactly some crazy well known property. Heck, marvel didn't really have many of those at all in the pop culture sense. Spiderman was as close as they got and even he was nothing compared to DC's juggernauts back then.
Trying to reduce the argument to "It's an action movie" is ridiculous, it's like saying any random Sci Fi movie is an action movie - yes it has action, but there's a large difference between Die Hard and X-men. X-men really blew the whole genre open from nothing (I know it's cheeky to pretend blade did that, but again Blade wasn't even close to X-men in terms of success, and he's not a spandexy superhero type in the first place. Doubltful that the average audience even realized he was a comic character).
Because Fox isn't going to sell? The check would have to be astronomically in favor of Fox for them to do this, like "Hey here's what we think the next 100 years worth of profit from these movies might be" since that's what they're giving up.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Fox makes bank off the X-Men movies. Disney would have to pay them billions of dollars for Fox to actually have any incentive to sell, and at that point it would possibly be a tough deal for Disney to consider.
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