This isn't the Wii, Nintendo isn't exactly in a luxurious position anymore. I personally expect Nintendo to put all their Wii U cards on the table these coming months.
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What realistically can Nintendo offer at this E3?
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This isn't the Wii, Nintendo isn't exactly in a luxurious position anymore. I personally expect Nintendo to put all their Wii U cards on the table these coming months.
Was mostly kidding, but I'm not expecting much either way.
I'd love to be wrong, of course
MK is scheduled to release in May, so that wouldn't make much sense.But otherwise I agree
Yeah, but they'll show it anyway, I'm quite sure about that
They seem to still struggle at HD development, plus they seem also to be already looking "past" the Wii U, so I don't know...I think that what we already know (including Zelda, FExSMT, Yoshi), plus the NFC game they hinted at, plus a couple of more games (including the - to me - obvious Animal Crossing U) could really be all they are planning for Wii U LTD lineup
I dont expect nintendo to waste their time on WiiU. They will simply talk about some DKC DLC or have ubisoft Just Dance etc for holidays.
It is going to be all about 3DS. May be a low cost 2DS or 3DS-Slim.
They need to keep the 3DS momentum strong, else it could be gravely bad for them. So focusing on 2DS/3DS and price cuts are more important for them now.
Next year, may be we will some fancy QoL + console.
It is going to be all about 3DS. May be a low cost 2DS or 3DS-Slim.
They need to keep the 3DS momentum strong, else it could be gravely bad for them. So focusing on 2DS/3DS and price cuts are more important for them now.
Next year, may be we will some fancy QoL + console.
After 3 years of hype followed by massive disappointment, expectations are low this year. If you go in expecting nothing, you won't be disappointed. And if Nintendo actually do have a good show, you'll be all the more surprised and appreciative of it!
Last year's wasn't bad. Nor was 2012 (ignoring NintendoLand fireworks display), or even 2011 for that matter.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Thank you.
It almost seems like some people are just sitting at the edge of their seat, hoping Nintendo will crash and burn and discarding any kind of logic.
Yes, the Wii U will probably have the worst showing of all the home consoles. We have no reason to believe it will steal the show. However, do some of you guys really think they're not working on any big surprises?
Exterminieren
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Who is to develop all this software? Where is it all to come from?
They revealed all of this year's surprises over a year ago, unfortunately.
Nintendo has a fair few development studios. They're not as spread thin as people make out.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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...Nintendo?
Remember E3 2011? TONS of new software from Nintendo announced.
Nobody is expecting an overwhelming amount of surprises, but to think that Nintendo will have nothing exciting to show besides Zelda is ludicrous.
nintendo said there are more collabrations with third parties to come. seems to be their way over moneyhat 3rd party exclusives or ports.
personally im excited to see the focus on games that take advantage of the gamepad which they said woukd be a priority moving forward. also miyamotos new Ip and hopefully a sub wars for wii u
They also have their second and third party partners to help. Next Level Games, for example.
Fattony12000
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Some amount of video games.
Don't ask me to reveal sources.
Don't ask me to reveal sources.
Exterminieren
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...wat
Luigi's Mansion and some Wii U tech demos is tonnes, now?
How about the tonnes of software announced last year that hasn't been released, or in some cases detailed?
If, as I suspect, you're talking about 2010... we had loads of big teams unaccounted for before that show.
Sakurai was free to make Kid Icarus. He's not free now- he's making Smash.
Good Feel was free to make Kirby. They aren't free now- they're making Yoshi (if it still exists in anything like its original showing.)
Retro was free to make Donkey Kong. They aren't free now- they shipped their most recent game a matter of weeks ago.
They started work at the end of last year. The chances of them having anything worth showing are non-existent.
They are but how is it relevant to the topic at hand?
I was talking about about the Wii-U in slightly more long term, in opposition to the "we're at the end of the Wii U" discussion.
Hmm? The vast majority of the titles revealed last year are out.
Maybe 1-2 surprises. Nintendo hasn't been in the position to hold much back.
Remember the amazing things we all expected at the Wii U reveal? Nintendo ninjas have been keeping it all under wraps!!!!
... and then they got nothing.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Now that I think about it, you're right. They had a lot of software shown, but most of it was already announced.
But the Wii U is at its point in its life cycle where most of the games that started being developed within a year of launch are ready to show. Especially by Nintendo standards. They don't like to announce too far ahead (Although that seems to have been changing a bit, with games like Smash Bros and Yoshi Wii U).
SmokedMeat
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I think there's only so much Nintendo can do, as they're on their own, and have a 3DS to support, which will take away from Wii U. Then there's the fact that there were games announced way too early like Fire Emblem and Yoshi, that won't be a surprise. Retro just released DK, so I'm not expecting anything from them unless Nintendo's going to do another super premature announcement to get people excited for a game that's 18 months away from release.
I think Zelda's going to be awesome, and I can only hope it remains under wraps until E3. The only surprises I could see would be from unknown collaborations with third parties. If they were to pay Sega, Tecmo, or Namco to create something for them.
Yeah, basically this.
Well, I really think that they used a different from the common tactic with the wii u, due to the "infamous" January Direct. They already announced various Wii U games that we still have to see released/confirmed for 2014/unveiled
And their HD development struggles are real, in fact they had to spread the release schedule from the beginning, causing initial draught (the infamous window launch that lasted until June with the release of Pikmin 3, or the DK delay due to the lack of proper software for the entire Q1 of 2015 and so on...)
We also know that, compared to the Wii era, they medium studios (for example Monster games) are helping the big ones on their work (once again, Monster Games worked on DKTF, so probably they are not working on any Excite for Wii U right now!), so if you summarize the games already announced and still to come, with the number of studios N own, putting also the 3DS into that count, you'll see that there is no much space for tons of new games for Wii U, imho.
Exterminieren
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Do you think stuff like Yarn Yoshi, SMT x FE or X would have been revealed as early as they were without the panic January Direct last year?
That was a complete showing of Nintendo's hand. They held one or two things back for that E3, but blew the rest- hell, they even talked about Zelda Wii U. I see little reason to believe that there are significant internally-developed surprises to be revealed in the future.
Hey, I might be wrong, but I'm just not seeing who's going to be developing these titles, outside of the odd third party collaboration.
Exterminieren
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I don't believe it was a complete showing.
Have faith, my friend
Well, it'd be nice, but when you go as far as talking about a title that you aren't going to reveal for another year and a half, I have to believe that you're pretty much scraping the barrel.
I'd love for this thread's premise to be wrong, and for Nintendo to blow us all away with a huge array of surprises at this E3, but I simply do not see where they're coming from.
I suppose it's all subjective. I do think the WiiU has had some great games released, but Nintendo's E3 presentations were severely lacking IMO. 2011 left me feeling a bit confused and let down. Nintendo's big new console was revealed, and while I did think the GamePad showed a lot of promise, very few big games were shown.
I thought E3 2012 would be the year they would really have a WiiU games blowout ala 3DS' 2010 presentation, but it was just as lackluster as 2011. NSMBU looked like more of the same NSMB formula, just a bit prettier. Nintendoland obviously got a bad reception (mostly due to the amount of time it took up). Pikmin 3 was WiiU's only really exciting game for me.
2013 was better than the previous 2 years and actually had quite a good lineup of quality games, but I still ended up feeling the presentation of it was lacking. Smash looked terrific and MK8 looked nice enough, but 3D World's reveal was very bland. Retro's reveal of DK was confusing and disappointing at the time (even if it turned out to be a great game). The technical issues with the ND stream were incredibly frustrating as well. I also feel the Nintendo Direct format is much less exciting than a stage presentation.
Last E3 was when I gave up on hoping Nintendo could meet my expectations, and I was happy I did, or I would have been upset all over again. It has just been disappointment after disappointment from them in conferences for a long time, with 2012 and 2013 being the very worst.
I expect literally nothing this year. As in, if they didn't show Zelda for the Wii U I wouldn't be surprised. I expect NOTHING.
Okay, I'm lying. I would like to see Majora's Mask 3DS. That's my one meagre hope. That's all I ask. Grezzo have had plenty of time. It's an obvious moneymaker. They released the original 3DS Zelda that they claimed they would before doing another remake. It should be ready to go. That's all I ask for and expect.
I expect literally nothing this year. As in, if they didn't show Zelda for the Wii U I wouldn't be surprised. I expect NOTHING.
Okay, I'm lying. I would like to see Majora's Mask 3DS. That's my one meagre hope. That's all I ask. Grezzo have had plenty of time. It's an obvious moneymaker. They released the original 3DS Zelda that they claimed they would before doing another remake. It should be ready to go. That's all I ask for and expect.
As a WiiU owner,
and being NOT a Nintendo fan (if they die tomorrow I will not cry a tear)
I think that -at present- only DonkeyKongCountryTF deserves a 10/10 rate, all the rest of the software is honest, well-done, pretty standard Nintendo fare.
Being sure that Bayonetta2 will be awesome yet not fate-changer for the platform,
I think that only a MonsterHunterU or awesome-and-new ZeldaU can change the future of the platform.
If Nintendo will just UPDATE their franchises I think this platform will be my less-played-ever (worst than Wii itself and this says all)
and being NOT a Nintendo fan (if they die tomorrow I will not cry a tear)
I think that -at present- only DonkeyKongCountryTF deserves a 10/10 rate, all the rest of the software is honest, well-done, pretty standard Nintendo fare.
Being sure that Bayonetta2 will be awesome yet not fate-changer for the platform,
I think that only a MonsterHunterU or awesome-and-new ZeldaU can change the future of the platform.
If Nintendo will just UPDATE their franchises I think this platform will be my less-played-ever (worst than Wii itself and this says all)
Dictator93
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Sadly, they would have to completely change everything in terms of their "offer" to get me excited for anything they make.
I am very burned out on modern nintendo games and hardware.
I am very burned out on modern nintendo games and hardware.
dampflokfreund
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A new Core IP in the Zelda/Metroid league
Metroid Prime 4 U
Zelda U with Tech Demo graphics
One of these: Starfox, FZero, Wave Race
I would be very happy with that.
Metroid Prime 4 U
Zelda U with Tech Demo graphics
One of these: Starfox, FZero, Wave Race
I would be very happy with that.
Amazeballs
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How to kill Pokemon: The Post.
1) Spacing out game announcements throughout the year with Nintendo Direct or one huge E3 conference, pick one.
2) Nintendo's teams are working their asses off at any given time. Whatever they are doing will eventually be released, whether it's for 3DS, Wii U or eShop.
Scenario 1
H1 2014 : 5 games
H2 2014 : 20 games
Scenario 2
H1 2014 : 12 games
H2 2014 : 13 games
Can someone tell me the difference? It's the same amount of titles per year, who cares how they're spaced out or when they're released?
Now before you say lol QoL (which implies a shift of resources from games you like to non gaming), how is that different from fucking Donkey Kong? Another Bah Bah Mario? Both are cases where you didn't like the announcement anyway, they might as well be health products for all you care.
I mean what if there's nothing outside of Zelda and a small scale experimental NFC title? ... that only means they're working on Wii U2 games! See my point? I don't get the concerns. Maybe it's because I view Nintendo as a publisher of software and the hardware is merely an entrance fee, as opposed to Nintendo as a platform holder.
2) Nintendo's teams are working their asses off at any given time. Whatever they are doing will eventually be released, whether it's for 3DS, Wii U or eShop.
Scenario 1
H1 2014 : 5 games
H2 2014 : 20 games
Scenario 2
H1 2014 : 12 games
H2 2014 : 13 games
Can someone tell me the difference? It's the same amount of titles per year, who cares how they're spaced out or when they're released?
Now before you say lol QoL (which implies a shift of resources from games you like to non gaming), how is that different from fucking Donkey Kong? Another Bah Bah Mario? Both are cases where you didn't like the announcement anyway, they might as well be health products for all you care.
I mean what if there's nothing outside of Zelda and a small scale experimental NFC title? ... that only means they're working on Wii U2 games! See my point? I don't get the concerns. Maybe it's because I view Nintendo as a publisher of software and the hardware is merely an entrance fee, as opposed to Nintendo as a platform holder.
MaximoffZero
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To hardcore Nintendo fans, it makes no difference at all. Because of the rest of the market though, they do have to worry about timing.
I actually want them to focus on QoL instead of rehashed titles. If they do it right, that means more brand recognition and potentially more game sales, which could in turn mean better, more unique games.
I would be amazed if even one of these things came true at their conference.
1.They've never been more risk-averse in their history, so I don't see a new IP being announced at all.
2.It's too soon for Retro to have some Metroid to show.
3.The history of Zelda indicates that the tech demo graphics won't be final, and we've seen enough to know that the Wii U is probably too weak to do that quality in an actual game.
4.Starfox, F-Zero and Wave Race are kill.
freakzilla3000
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Zelda
Metroid
X
More Smash Bros.
Yarn Yoshi
The new Sonic title
Bayonetta 2
The new NFC title(s) they have been hinting on.
All in all if they show these titles, it should be a good E3 for Nintendo.
Metroid
X
More Smash Bros.
Yarn Yoshi
The new Sonic title
Bayonetta 2
The new NFC title(s) they have been hinting on.
All in all if they show these titles, it should be a good E3 for Nintendo.
Sylverstone14
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Spieler Eins
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It's astonishing how some are still blindly believing PR bs by Nintendo. How much more does it take to accept reality, Reggie yelling it straight into your face? They ,,outright say'' a lot of things. Like that their shitty lineup from E3 2012 isn't so bad because it's all within some mysterious launch window. In the end, nothing except Lego City (just barely) made it out in that timeframe and the final ,,launch window'' game released just several weeks ago (Wii Fit). Until late into last year they also outright said that they wouldn't repeat these mistakes and create momentum through software. But here's the reality: Literally only 2 games released within 6 months (excluding shovelware).
It doesn't matter if they need the games. They simply can't provide them, which is proven by the worst lineup they had since the Virtual Boy and their teams constantly admitting that they are completely overwhelmed by HD development. You'll get your Zelda as the console's swansong (alongside the other January '13 pseudo announcements finally materialising), maybe ROM Remix 3 and some other unknown cashgrab eventually. Iwata's extreme shortsightedness and ignorance has led to a colossal failure of a console which will never see a constant stream of games - 3 years of absolute shit E3s and constant homeconsole droughts since the release of Donkey Kong Country Returns (2010) should have even taught the biggest fanboy by now. Maybe start putting two and two together for once instead of blindly eating up and accepting every ,,please understand'' they give you.
Oh my. Where to begin.
First off, with the end. You realise that Iwata has only said "Please Understand" like once or twice. It's the Internet which has taken that to crazy levels.
Second, games get delayed. This is a fact. Nintendo have a policy of delaying their games if it is necessary, even if it damages their business. It's so they don't have situations like Battlefield 4 and Dead Rising 3 where the game is so broken at launch because it was rushed, that it requires countless massive patches in order to make it even remotely playable.
Third, the line-up is not "shitty". Anyone who has played them will agree that the games that have been released are top-notch. Yes, they struggled with HD development at first, emphasis on at first. They're not constantly saying it.
I understand that you seem annoyed with Nintendo, based upon your posting history, but try to take a step back and calm down
StreetsAhead
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Retro's definitely not the only one; both franchises have been worked on by other external teams in the past, as well as EAD. Whether or not they would do justice to the franchises is another - far more subjective - matter, but there's no reason another developer couldn't produce something good. Incidentally, Q-Games has been handling Star Fox recently, while Team Ninja was the last to take a stab at Metroid. Retro is sort of like Platinum for a subset of fans, in that many people want them to develop many of Nintendo's franchises from Zelda to Metroid to Star Tropics.
Retro, as far as we know, is not big enough for two console games at a time. They're less than 100 people and have mostly been taking ~3 years per project.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
They aren't in the Kodak this year.
Exterminieren
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They haven't been in the Kodak for years. They use the Nokia theatre, including for a show at last E3.
New Zelda - Confirmed
New Metroid game - rumored
Sonic Boom - Confirmed to be demoed one way or another at E3. I seriously think people underestimate this title, but we'll see.
New Mario game of some sort.
Majora's Mask remake 3D or HD - hinted at by Nintendo unless we misinterpreted it.
Miyamoto's new IP.
New Metroid game - rumored
Sonic Boom - Confirmed to be demoed one way or another at E3. I seriously think people underestimate this title, but we'll see.
New Mario game of some sort.
Majora's Mask remake 3D or HD - hinted at by Nintendo unless we misinterpreted it.
Miyamoto's new IP.