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What would happen to Nintendo if the NX flops like Wii U?
- Thread starter Booker.DeWitt
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They will be one step closer to going 3rd party. Or one step closer to exiting the home console business and doing handhelds only.
Just being realistic and rational.
I honestly cant see them doing another home console if it flops tho.
Just being realistic and rational.
I honestly cant see them doing another home console if it flops tho.
You'll find more Nintendo data here:Chû Totoro;207889559 said:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=963700
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Well, if you disregard that the entire interview was supposedly a joke, eliminate everything positive they said...you get the narrative gaf wants to follow.
JetSetRadio
Banned
They could pull an emily rogers, go away for a while and then come back even more irrelevant but they are likely doing that already.
We need a wii2.
We need a wii2.
StAidan
Member
The reason some posters are acting like this is because they (the posters, I mean) really have no idea why the Wii was successful, why the Wii U was a failure, or how Nintendo's design philosophies/approaches affected the outcome of the two consoles and how those philosophies are completely and totally different. I mean, come on, some of these people seriously believe one or more of the following:
(1) ... that the Wii audience jumped ship to mobile games and would never return to a new gaming console aimed at said audience.
(2) ... that the Wii U's problem was that it cost too much or wasn't powerful enough.
(3) ... that going third-party would be in Nintendo's best interest.
(4) ... that "statistical" performance figures on Nintendo's historical consoles are a clear indicator of future performance.
These are sincerely held beliefs that the simple application of logic can't easily dispel, because they are rooted in a long history of confirmation bias, a tunnel vision that only sees Nintendo in the light of the business strategies employed by Microsoft and Sony, and continued exposure to the headlines generated by an overeager Wedbush Securities employee.
If you were to reconstruct the NES-through-Wii U narrative from scratch based on the statements of Nintendo's own executives over the past 12 years -- without all the aforementioned baggage -- it would be obvious that Nintendo has addressed and invalidated each of those beliefs by any reasonable measure.
But when you're (for example) a gamer who's torn between exclusives across two or more consoles and who wants to be discerning with your gaming expenditures, it's all too easy to ignore all that and just assume Nintendo could be successful (and satisfied) with a third-party future. Those aren't Nintendo's values, and I *suspect* that Nintendo believes very strongly that abandoning its first-party roots would actually prevent it from building the gaming experiences that it wants to create.
Okami Haundo
Member
I'm honestly not convinced that the NX will be a home console. Time will tell though.
Skittzo0413
Member
This is a very good post. It's also worth mentioning that some people who do hold those views don't necessarily do so because "it's cool to hate on Nintendo" or reasons like that, but because it takes a lot of time and devotion to actually follow the methodology of this company, as well as pay attention to every piece of information regarding their strategy that comes out. And a lot of people would rather spend their time elsewhere, which is fine.
But for people who actually have followed this company closely and understand the types of organizational moves they've made, we know exactly why the Wii and DS were such successes, and it had little to do with luck. Now, obviously the tech landscape has changed greatly but I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to come up with a strategy for once again expanding the gaming market which works. Maybe not Wii levels of success, although maybe more than that. We simply don't know enough at this point.
Tyraniboah
Member
How much can the lack of power hurt them this time though? Microsoft and Sony have both expressed that Scorpio/Neo games need to be compatible with older hardware. If the NX is at least on par with PS4/Xbox One, then I don't see any reason for third parties not to port.
Plus Nintendo will probably continue until they find something that works. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon, even if consoles become niche and don't pull nearly as much financially.
Plus Nintendo will probably continue until they find something that works. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon, even if consoles become niche and don't pull nearly as much financially.
Neff
Member
As soon as NeoGAF catches the faintest whiff of Mario on Sony/MS, people start limbering up for the mental olympics once more.
Then why on earth would they do it?
The majority controlling shareholder of Nintendo is Nintendo.
Then why on earth would they do it?
The majority controlling shareholder of Nintendo is Nintendo.
Is people claiming them going third party intentionally ignoring their portable business?
If the nx home console is going to repeat wiiu numbers the most logical thing is stay and focus on the portable side imho.
Especially if the nx portable is going to repeat the 3ds numbers, that will probably stay over the xbox one numbers in terms of ltd
If the nx home console is going to repeat wiiu numbers the most logical thing is stay and focus on the portable side imho.
Especially if the nx portable is going to repeat the 3ds numbers, that will probably stay over the xbox one numbers in terms of ltd
Calm Mind
Member
Nothing against the OP or anyone actual putting some actual thought into their posts but the obvious praying on Nintendo's downfall from some is embarrassing. That being said, everything I have heard from Nintendo leading up until now gives me far more hope and confidence in what they're doing than the 3DS and Wii U ever did initially.
theangrypirate
Member
GTA 5 sold 65 million copies because it was available on a multitude of platforms. Imagine if the new Zelda was available on ps4/xbone/pc. It would easily sell 25 million. Easily. It would likely sell even more buit instead its going to top out at like 5 million because of the platform. Nintendo Hardware is holding their sales back tremendously. They would likely sell 5 times as much software if they were 3rd party.
They will never reach their former glory. Wii was lightning in a bottle when and their portables weren't competing with smartphones. Times have changed.
LizardKing
Member
It baffles me that people continue to not understand why 3rd parties don't make games for Nintendo consoles. "They just don't like Nintendo," "It's not powerful enough." Etc. While power plays a part (in adopters wanting power, and ease of develpment) the reason is because those games have not been shown to sell. It's that simple.
If Nintendo made Battlefield, they would get Call of Duty. If Nintendo made Assassin's Creed, they would get 3rd person action games. If they made Grand Theft Auto, they would get Mafia III. It's that simple. They have to have a user base who buys these games. Whether that's creating it themselves or getting key third party support. But it has to be consistent so people who like those game buy the system (and it's a system they want to buy, but usually that comes with having the games). That's the main thing.
If Nintendo made Battlefield, they would get Call of Duty. If Nintendo made Assassin's Creed, they would get 3rd person action games. If they made Grand Theft Auto, they would get Mafia III. It's that simple. They have to have a user base who buys these games. Whether that's creating it themselves or getting key third party support. But it has to be consistent so people who like those game buy the system (and it's a system they want to buy, but usually that comes with having the games). That's the main thing.
Skittzo0413
Member
For the record the last Zelda game which launched with a console sold 9M total and was regarded as one of the worst Zelda games at the time (though aren't they all). BotW has seen almost universal praise from Nintendo fans and non Nintendo fans alike. I believe it will easily surpass TP lifetime sales, assuming NX isn't a complete trainwreck from the start.
Edit:
Agreed, and that's something that Nintendo has hinted at when discussing increasing their output both internally and in licensing out their IPs.
Honestly overall Nintendo has been saying all the right things, just a lot of people here don't seem to be listening.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
Maybe they should stop saying and start doing. They'll hobble on for decades but the Wii and DS days are long gone.
Skittzo0413
Member
Obviously they need to start doing, yes. But the NX hasn't even been officially revealed yet. We can't know what they have been doing over the past 4 years until it is.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
What's odd to me is the shocking lack of advertisement for anything but the largest 3DS titles. Wii U ads were abysmal and they haven't even tried to move units after the initial launch flop.
It's almost as if they immediately gave up and started working on something else. That's fine I guess but it's not exactly confidence inspiring to customers and investors.
TannerDemoz
Member
Is that you, Kimishima?
Seriously though, great post. Some of the arguments against Nintendo carrying on in the industry make me want to gouge my eyes out, and you're spot on with the transition period.
Everything Nintendo has said so far regarding the NX shows that they are fully aware of the flaws with the Wii U's release. I think the NX is going to be a big hit.
dano1
A Sheep
They should be doing that now anyway!
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
I know it's probably been said but personally as long as I get more Mario and Zelda then a Nintendo console will never be a flop to me because it'll have served its purpose.
Skittzo0413
Member
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they did! It's not always that bad of an idea, especially if their planning for NX began before Wii U even released (which I believe it did- the whole shared ecosystem idea). Keep in mind that the Wii U tanking was right on the heels of the 3DS tanking, so Nintendo likely had to choose one of the two to attempt to salvage and they chose the 3DS.
Very true, look below your post for instance
Vampirolol
Member
They could try again, but they should desperately need to shake things up.
Power wise Neo is roughly a PS4x2, but Sony are looking at a way to bump the power to compete with Microsoft. The Scorpio is roughly 5xXbox One.
For the NX. We know there will be some kind of handheld that can likely be up to .4tflps. And if it has a home console equivalent that SKU will be at a multiple of that power level. The most likely numbers based on existing hardware are 1.2Tflps (Xbox One parity) 2.4Tflps (global illumination capable*) 2.8/3.2/3.6 Tflps (affordable industry leading chips with lower power draw then Sony/Microsoft)
*if the Nvidia rumour is true
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I wonder how much MS or Sony would pay for marketing rights to Mario.
Regginator
Member
So that means less than the Wii U sold now (~12 million). I hope one of two things:
1) Unlikely, but forget consoles. Go third party and release games on PC or/and other consoles. But keep manufacturing handhelds and continue to make dedicated games for it.
2) Forget the casual market and concentrate on the core/enthusiastic market. Compete directly with Sony and Microsoft, both in raw specs as well as a solid third party line up.
Despite Nintendo being incredibly stubborn, I really don't think they'd stay their current course if the NX manages to sell even worse than the Wii U.
1) Unlikely, but forget consoles. Go third party and release games on PC or/and other consoles. But keep manufacturing handhelds and continue to make dedicated games for it.
2) Forget the casual market and concentrate on the core/enthusiastic market. Compete directly with Sony and Microsoft, both in raw specs as well as a solid third party line up.
Despite Nintendo being incredibly stubborn, I really don't think they'd stay their current course if the NX manages to sell even worse than the Wii U.
RPGCrazied
Member
They probably should just go 3rd party.
Nintendo would probably just go PC/own hardware. Throw in some form of subscription service that was overpriced on PC/Mobile and they'd print money from the My Hardware is bigger then yours crowd.
Skittzo0413
Member
If they went third party that would show they don't like $$ definitely. People don't seem to understand the amount of money having their own hardware gets them from licensing alone.
A third party Nintendo is an incredibly neutered Nintendo, and we wouldn't get anything close to Breath of the Wild or Splatoon from that Nintendo, so please give it up.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Sure it's not.
TannerDemoz
Member
Utilise the NX as part of its handheld strategy with streaming and linked purchases, I reckon.
We can't say that for sure without a definition of the word "raw power." Besides that, the "performance per FLOPS" difference between Pascal and GCN (pre-Polaris) is only about 20%. If calling it close to Xbone is a "stretch," there's a very real chance that it's weaker, even noticeably weaker.
As for the CPU, it does make sense to have a stronger CPU paired with a weaker GPU if the SoC being used isn't really customized much and the CPU just happens to be that fast. Tegra X1 more or less falls into this category, and Tegra Parker definitely will.
I would rather have Sony and MS go third party, their games are better suited for it than Nintendo games
OrbitalBeard
Member
I'd love to see Sony go third party. That new God of War on the Scorpio would be incredible!