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What would you want in a N64 Classic Mini Console?
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Shotgun Kiss
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I imagine that when Notch made a deal with Microsoft, he stipulated that Minecraft can still be released on other systems. I'm guessing that Microsoft just own Mojang in so much that they get the lion's share of the profits. Otherwise it would be in their best interest to ensure Minecraft remains exclusive to their own platforms. I freely admit that this is speculation, however.
But let's also consider the fact that Banjo and Kazooie appeared as guest characters in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing, but only the XBox 360 version. If Microsoft weren't going to let their characters appear as a guests in the Wii version of a multiplatform game, they certainly aren't going to hand over entire games that are a big selling point of Rare Replay.
But the most telling thing of all is simply that these games are absent from the Virtual Console. I don't know why people think they'd be any more likely to appear in a N64 mini.
GAFmeansLIFE
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Translucent!
ClivePwned
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without Rare (apart from DK64), most of which I have on X1 now thanks to Rare Replay, I'd go with
SM64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
DK64
Rogue Squadron
Star Wars: Battle for Naboo (basically, more Rogue Squadron)
Duke Nukem 64
Duke Nukem Zero Hour (TPS)
Rayman 2 (one of the best platformers anywhere)
Doom 64
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 - 3
(not a driving game guy so no interest in Diddy Kong, Mario Kart 64 or whatever)
and just for shits and giggle
Starcraft 64
and of course Goldeneye which we may never see again properly.
SM64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
DK64
Rogue Squadron
Star Wars: Battle for Naboo (basically, more Rogue Squadron)
Duke Nukem 64
Duke Nukem Zero Hour (TPS)
Rayman 2 (one of the best platformers anywhere)
Doom 64
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 - 3
(not a driving game guy so no interest in Diddy Kong, Mario Kart 64 or whatever)
and just for shits and giggle
Starcraft 64
and of course Goldeneye which we may never see again properly.
If they kept the same price ratio as NES Classic mini versus Virtual Console it'd be 12 games. SNES would be 15 games though.
edit: Picking 12 N64 games I would say;
F-Zero X
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 2
Paper Mario
Star Fox 64
Super Mario 64
Super Smash Bros.
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Wave Race 64
Yoshi's Story
D.Lo
Member
It would need a CRT filter. Or run the games in 480p like the virtual console.
So many of the games would likely be inaccessible now too. The Rare games are so integral to the personality of the system. It would be like an NES without Mega Man and Castlevania.
But my brother lent a controller to a friend for a few days once and it came back with a limp dead stick.
The issue with N64 controller was just that it wasn't outright abuse proof.
So many of the games would likely be inaccessible now too. The Rare games are so integral to the personality of the system. It would be like an NES without Mega Man and Castlevania.
My launch N64 controllers still have perfect sticks.
But my brother lent a controller to a friend for a few days once and it came back with a limp dead stick.
The issue with N64 controller was just that it wasn't outright abuse proof.
Patrick Young
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A wireless N64 controller that's exactly like the old one and actually works with the original N64 as well.
twinturbo2
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That seems like a good list. I think Rare games are obtainable, since MS is willing to work with Nintendo, and maybe work with WB Games to get some old Midway/Atari games in there, since Midway/Atari was a prolific N64 developer.
Here's my list. Start with the first-party Nintendo games, and sprinkle a couple of other third party IP:
Super Mario 64
The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask
Mario Kart 64
Wave Race 64
1080 Snowboarding
Pilotwings 64
Star Fox 64
F- Zero X
Kirby 64
Paper Mario
Mario Party 2
Mario Tennis
Yoshi's Story
Super Smash Bros
Pokemon Puzzle League
Pokemon Snap
Excitebike 64
Donkey Kong 64
Ridge Racer 64 (Namco has Galaga and Pac-Man licensed for the NES Mini, this should be easy to get)
Cruis'n USA
Cruis'n World
Cruis'n Exotica (the Cruis'n IP is owned by Nintendo anyways)
Then make two expansion packs, one for Rare games and one for Midway/Atari games. Put an SD card slot or something where it's easily hideable, make the console look like a mini N64 with a mini cartridge installed, and put the slot in the cartridge part somewhere.
Rare Expansion:
Blast Corps
Jet Force Gemini
Killer Instinct Gold
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Perfect Dark
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Tooie
Diddy Kong Racing
Midway Expansion:
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Mortal Kombat 4
Mace: The Dark Age
BioFreaks
San Francisco Rush
Rush 2: Extreme Racing USA
California Speed
Rush 2049
Hydro Thunder
Robotron 64
As for other third-party games, see if Bethesda can cut a deal to get Doom 64 (they have the rights to that, do they?), and if EA and Volkswagen can cut deals to get Beetle Adventure Racing on there.
sixteen-bit
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Skip it and go straight to gamecube imo
a mini gamecube would be the cutest thing ever
a mini gamecube would be the cutest thing ever
tomato shrub
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The N64 library without Rareware titles is a joke when it comes to quantity and you also can't ship it with the original controller, because it would be too bad nowadays.
Huge, & found it a bit lopsided to use. I get that you could grab it in three different ways but there must be a way to provide the same buttons with a much more intelligent layout nowadays.
Unfortunately, some of their strongest, most memorable, games would be impossible to secure. This wouldn't be a big deal for a NES or SNES Mini Console, but the N64 doesn't really have a strong enough lineup to do without Rare's games. Even looking at that list there are a reasonable amount of ho-hum games riding on their name alone. On top of that, there are inferior ports in that list. It just wasn't that strong of a console...
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Not something I'd really want as first generation 3D games (N64/PS1) just didn't age well for me. Missing rare games would hurt my interest a lot as well, not to mention all but Goldeneye of the ones I want are in Rare Replay already. As well as superior versions of the Zelda games and Star Fox 64 on 3DS.
SNES mini console would be more appealing, but hard to justify another box under the console when I can just emulate the games I have boxed up in a closet anyway.
SNES mini console would be more appealing, but hard to justify another box under the console when I can just emulate the games I have boxed up in a closet anyway.
I'm looking at you.
Cite me the 15 "mediocre at best" games in my list (in the context of the 32-64 bit generation of course).
EDIT:
Sorry DP.
frankie_baby
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they more likely refused as the 360 was going to get a fancy remastered version and the wii just a rom dump, then activision (who actually held the bond licence at the time) came along with a remake
frankie_baby
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well there is rumours of a few Rare games coming to the wii u vc so a deal isn't out of the question
I think it is pretty hard to argue that fifteen are mediocre at best...
Mortal Kombat 4 and Castlevania Legacy of Darkness are legitimately fairly bad (even if I have a soft spot for both of them).
I imagine the games in the running for "mediocre" would be Kirby 64, Donkey Kong 64, and Ridge Racer 64.
Beyond that, the rest are pretty hard to accuse of being mediocre.
Only the polygonal games aged poorly, there are stacks and stacks of PS1 and Saturn games (most Japanese) that aged very gracefully.
LookAtMeGo
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My man!
Cartridge to complete the n64 look. It's tricky with the Rare stuff and 10-15 games is probably better to manage. Something like this:
Super Mario 64
Star Fox 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros.
Mario Party 2
Mario Kart 64
Wave Racer
Diddy Kong Racing
Donkey Kong 64
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Bomberman 64
Yoshi's Story
Pokemon Snap
Of course this leaves pokemon stadium, kirby 64, rogue squadron, fzeroX, pilotwings, excite bike, harvest moon, ogre battle, doom and a few others.
Super Mario 64
Star Fox 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros.
Mario Party 2
Mario Kart 64
Wave Racer
Diddy Kong Racing
Donkey Kong 64
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Bomberman 64
Yoshi's Story
Pokemon Snap
Of course this leaves pokemon stadium, kirby 64, rogue squadron, fzeroX, pilotwings, excite bike, harvest moon, ogre battle, doom and a few others.
Yep.
MK4 and Castlevania LoD are decent game, I admit though that the reason they make it into my list (over something memorable like Mystical Ninja for example) is the brand name attached to them.
Some games may be disappointing sequels (Mario Kart 64, Yoshi's Stories, Kirby 64) or be seen as primitive because they created the franchise (Super Smash Bros) but they have iconic characters in them therefore I believe if Nintendo ever want to tackle this initiative they will include them.
Ridge Racer 64 isn't mediocre, the biggest accusation it could receive is that it is based on the first 2 arcade games more than Type 4 which is a bit unfair.
I don't think it's the best car racing game on the system but again I considered the brandname.
TheMoon
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The problem there is that your list includes a bunch of M-rated games that would never ship with this thing if it were to exist. All the NES games of similar ilk are E-rated (Ninja Gaiden, Super C...).
They wouldn't be selling anything over the T-rating, especially not together with "E for Everyone" palooza N64 classics since they want the larges possible audience.
Got some more 100% unrealistic picks?
StrangeRoboMemory
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Assuming 12 titles, this would be my ideal, if perhaps a bit unrealistic on a couple of choices (like, where the hell has Mischief Makers been on VC? There must be some horrible rights entanglement involved with it). Never been a huge fan of the Rare stuff, though...
Super Mario 64
Wave Race 64
Paper Mario
Star Fox 64
Mario Kart 64
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
F-Zero X
Sin and Punishment
Ogre Battle 64
Mischief Makers
Mystical Ninja starring Goemon
Super Mario 64
Wave Race 64
Paper Mario
Star Fox 64
Mario Kart 64
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
F-Zero X
Sin and Punishment
Ogre Battle 64
Mischief Makers
Mystical Ninja starring Goemon
Yeah, I realized only later that there might be this problem.
I still think it's a pity, sales wise, to leave out Doom, Mortal Kombat or Resident Evil.
frankie_baby
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The problem there is that your list includes a bunch of M-rated games that would never ship with this thing if it were to exist. All the NES games of similar ilk are E-rated (Ninja Gaiden, Super C...).
They wouldn't be selling anything over the T-rating, especially not together with "E for Everyone" palooza N64 classics since they want the larges possible audience.
Got some more 100% unrealistic picks?
how many NES games are there that would get a higher rating anyway?
A cartridge slot.
Apart from that though, just to cover the basics:
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
Blast Corps
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Donkey Kong 64
GoldenEye 007
Paper Mario
Perfect Dark
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Super Mario 64
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Wave Race 64
Apart from that though, just to cover the basics:
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
Blast Corps
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Donkey Kong 64
GoldenEye 007
Paper Mario
Perfect Dark
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Super Mario 64
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Wave Race 64
MadOdorMachine
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A lot of people are listing games, but a large chunk of the N64 library will never be made available again. Those that could be released are Nintendo games and personally, I'd rather have them remade and updated similar to what was done for the N64 Zelda and Starfox games on 3DS. Hopefully with NX we can see them released again, but this time in HD.
If they were to release a N64 (or any) mini-console, the best possible scenario would be for them to use a modified version of the original hardware with HDMI out, USB ports for the controllers and the ability to download games to it. In the case of N64, it would be even better if they allowed the clock rates to be adjustable depending on the game. I know a lot of this sounds like wishful thinking, but they did this with the iQue in China which was original N64 hardware so it is possible. On that note, a redesigned N64 controller would be nice as well and although I'm not entirely sure about ergonomics, I think the layout of the iQue controller would be a better template to aim for as opposed to the original N64 controller layout.
If they were to release a N64 (or any) mini-console, the best possible scenario would be for them to use a modified version of the original hardware with HDMI out, USB ports for the controllers and the ability to download games to it. In the case of N64, it would be even better if they allowed the clock rates to be adjustable depending on the game. I know a lot of this sounds like wishful thinking, but they did this with the iQue in China which was original N64 hardware so it is possible. On that note, a redesigned N64 controller would be nice as well and although I'm not entirely sure about ergonomics, I think the layout of the iQue controller would be a better template to aim for as opposed to the original N64 controller layout.
Gamecocks625
Member
My fear is NoA is just releasing a NES Mini to fill the holiday gap and remind people about Nintendo before NX launches. Believe me, I want a SNES and N64 mini so bad.
That said,
It could just ship with Mario 64, Zelda: OoT, Wave Race 64, Mario Golf 64, Mario Tennis 64, Mario Kart 64 and it'd be sold for those alone.
That said,
It could just ship with Mario 64, Zelda: OoT, Wave Race 64, Mario Golf 64, Mario Tennis 64, Mario Kart 64 and it'd be sold for those alone.
MarkMclovin
Member
The key potential selling point for me would be to be able to play the games at a higher resolution. Without that (which is freely available using emulation on PC) the offer just isn't interesting to me. Those games had resolutions that just aren't acceptable to my eyes these days unless played on a small, portable screen, but when upressed they look fantastic again.
And yeah, the Rare games would need to be there.
Also, it sure is a struggle to get 30 quality games on the N64, isn't it? It was a feast or famine console.
And yeah, the Rare games would need to be there.
Also, it sure is a struggle to get 30 quality games on the N64, isn't it? It was a feast or famine console.
digitalrelic
Banned
Hell. Fucking. Yeah.
And I think Nintendo will do it. I think they'll do it with the SNES too, although I think the amount of bundled games will decrease w/ each iteration due to the increased costs of manufacturing the hardware/controller.
SNES Mini w/ 20 games for $60
N64 Mini w/ 10 games for $60
And I think Nintendo will do it. I think they'll do it with the SNES too, although I think the amount of bundled games will decrease w/ each iteration due to the increased costs of manufacturing the hardware/controller.
SNES Mini w/ 20 games for $60
N64 Mini w/ 10 games for $60
Some awesome lists here!
I think Microsoft would allow some Rare games on here to make some money. Also slap a "Featuring Microsoft's Rare game catalogue!" star on there as well, and I think everyone involved with be pleased as punch to make a ton more money on this!
But, just for the challenge, here's my list with no Rare games, games released on other platforms, and under a T rating:
1080° Snowboarding
Beetle Adventure Racing!
Donkey Kong 64
Excitebike 64
Extreme-G
F-Zero X
Goemon's Great Adventure
Harvest Moon 64
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mario Golf
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Mischief Makers
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Paper Mario
Pilotwings 64
Pokémon Puzzle League
Pokémon Snap
Ridge Racer 64
Rocket: Robot on Wheels
Space Station Silicon Valley
Star Fox 64
Super Mario 64
Super Smash Bros.
Tetrisphere
Wave Race 64
Yoshi's Story
(There were plenty of other games I'd like to add on there, but again, I was using the stipulations listed above!)
These games were our multiplayer staples for years back home! (Never played No Mercy though, but I heard it was just as great!)
I think Microsoft would allow some Rare games on here to make some money. Also slap a "Featuring Microsoft's Rare game catalogue!" star on there as well, and I think everyone involved with be pleased as punch to make a ton more money on this!
But, just for the challenge, here's my list with no Rare games, games released on other platforms, and under a T rating:
1080° Snowboarding
Beetle Adventure Racing!
Donkey Kong 64
Excitebike 64
Extreme-G
F-Zero X
Goemon's Great Adventure
Harvest Moon 64
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mario Golf
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Mischief Makers
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Paper Mario
Pilotwings 64
Pokémon Puzzle League
Pokémon Snap
Ridge Racer 64
Rocket: Robot on Wheels
Space Station Silicon Valley
Star Fox 64
Super Mario 64
Super Smash Bros.
Tetrisphere
Wave Race 64
Yoshi's Story
(There were plenty of other games I'd like to add on there, but again, I was using the stipulations listed above!)
These games were our multiplayer staples for years back home! (Never played No Mercy though, but I heard it was just as great!)
Already Torn
Banned
Pilot Wings and Resident Evil 2 but no Pokémon Stadium? No Pokémon Stadium 2? You nuts OP?
TheMoon
Member
Yea but I guess that comes with the territory. N64 had the "for babiez" rep for a reason. Not a good reason but a reason. It had so many T/M-rated games that were actually good that this perception has always been baffling. But the family-friendly games will always stick out and be its main association.