encephalon
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It falls outside of norms. Outside of how people understand the world.
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What's the reason for being homophobic?
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Forearm Star
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Why stop there, why does anyone hate anyone different from them?
boiled goose
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Bigotry comes from fear, not reason.
Homosexuality = Incest? Good to know!
FortuneFaded
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metalslimer
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*sigh*
One way I can see someone thinking it's a choice is if they're gay or bisexual themselves but haven't realised it. So they assume everybody's repressing the same urges they are. At least that's where I think "it's a choice" comes from. It makes no sense otherwise because nobody chooses to be an oppressed minority.
Last I checked, a man can't breed with another male and usually their genetics are so far apart that if they could, it wouldn't cause the generic mutations that an incest born child would have. Also a lot of incest relationships are born out of abuse, which most of gay relationships aren't.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, that's a hilarious statement to say because most of society accepts incest between cousins.
Agreed, but I don't see an issue with a consensual "incest" couple who won't have children. Which I think (I hope) the poster was trying to get at?
I think it's seen as a 1) a depravity (like incest for example) , 2) not masculin or not feminine and therefore lesser for each gender (something parents become ashamed of), 3)sinful because religious deemed it so, 4) not the best for society and societal structure which was build around marriages and children.
All these bases are now questioned more and more, and for younger generations they aren't part if their morals hence people like you feel puzzled. Unfortunately not everyone is willing to reconsider their beliefs for the sake of someone else's happiness
All these bases are now questioned more and more, and for younger generations they aren't part if their morals hence people like you feel puzzled. Unfortunately not everyone is willing to reconsider their beliefs for the sake of someone else's happiness
biggersmaller
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I think incest is wrong. I probably always will. If there was some huge social movement where adult father/daughter couples and their supporters were filling the streets fighting for their rights, I would definitely NOT support them like I did for gay rights.
I would internalize my bigotry, though. Except for when I complain to bartenders about how this isn't my daddy's U-S-of-A. That's for damn sure. He's spinning like a lathe God rest his soul.
I hope so to, because that's the same shit that I hear people use to bring down gay rights. That if we approve gay rights, then next would make incest, bestiality, and pedophillia legal.
Androidsleeps
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(Abrahamic) religions, self-loathing and general hatred (as lots of homophobes are deep down closeted homosexuals)
Interframe
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Basically comes down to misogyny. Anything feminine is bad or "lesser" and should be looked down upon in this patriarchal society. Your a guy who wants to "behave" like a female? Well shame on you! Being a woman is terrible! (/s)
Also i never got the people who always argued its "against nature". Like so what? You do realize everything in the modern world your living in is unnatural right? Does it bother you that the food we eat isn't natural? How about the air your breath? How about anything on this planet thats man-made?
Compared to all the shit, homosexuality starts looking pretty damn natural biologically, and the homophobe's argument starts looking more and more dumb and illogical.
Also i never got the people who always argued its "against nature". Like so what? You do realize everything in the modern world your living in is unnatural right? Does it bother you that the food we eat isn't natural? How about the air your breath? How about anything on this planet thats man-made?
Compared to all the shit, homosexuality starts looking pretty damn natural biologically, and the homophobe's argument starts looking more and more dumb and illogical.
The bible doesn't say explicitly lots of things that churches predicate, in the end they interpret it the bible according to what they want to sell, and justify themselves saying that is the word of god
Little Monser
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a lot of people have never encountered a gay person before so they normally have no knowledge whatsoever about being gay so they just assume everything
sixteen-bit
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haters gonna hate
Spuck-uk
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I didn't. Non-religious family, non-religious school til the age of 12.
Not everyone lives in America/other majority religious country.
for fuck's sake dude
Mostly hatred and fear of the different. Specially because for some people it goes against the "social norms" which includes things like marriage, religion and stuff. Stupid shit really, a lot of people is also afraid of their own homosexuality and they act homophobic as a way to hide it.
I find fascinating (in a bad way) how in the English language the "official" word for non gay people is "straight" , somehow implying that gay people are deviant or abnormal in some way.
I find fascinating (in a bad way) how in the English language the "official" word for non gay people is "straight" , somehow implying that gay people are deviant or abnormal in some way.
UnemployedVillain
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CarpeDeezNutz
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Real response, not really sure. Never had a problem with it, I have an older cousin who is gay and a DJ, gay clubs are so much fun honestly the homophobes, closed minded people in general miss out on so much cool stuff.
John Kowalski
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I'm obviously no expert but personal experience has made me consider gender roles to be the most common aspect of homophobia.
biggersmaller
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Vigilant Walrus
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Can you clarify what you mean?
travisbickle
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They want to eat chick-fil-a.
I hate the natural fallacy too. Although you really don't have to go far to seen that homosexual behaviour is natural, same sex partners are very, very common among animals.
KoopaTheCasual
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You see... this is the linchpin of the opposition's argument tho...
Airola
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Well, yeah if they claim homosexuality doesn't exist in nature at all. But technically you could still say homosexuality is unnatural even when knowing it exists within other animals too. It's just then the other animals too being unnatural.
I personally think it could very well be thought to be unnatural, but the real question is why would something being unnatural be bad or immoral? Is naturality something that everyone should strive for? If so, why?
Thinking something is unnatural or even sinful is not yet a bad thing in itself, but when it becomes something that people use to discriminate and bully, then things are getting bad - not because of the thought of something being unnatural or sinful, but because of discrimination and bullying. I mean, of course things can be unnatural. And if there is a God, of course things can be sinful.
But the thing is that there really aren't any people who are above others in making judgments based on their unnaturality or sinfulness. If one attacks homosexuals based on unnaturality, then they deserve to be asked if there are no unnatural qualities in themselves. If they deny any unnaturality in themselves, they probably lie. And if they attack homosexuals because of their sinfulness, then they deserve to be asked if there are no sinful qualities in themselves. If they have lied even once, they already are sinners and in no better position than what they claim homosexuals to be in.
Whiteblade999
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According to my parents its an alternate lifestyle. Good to know I can help something I was born with.
entremet
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I think it's rooted in the whole propagating genes things, which informs religions.
Don't forget that sex is still a primary reproductive function, although we're one of few species that does it recreationally.
There also the theory that strict sexual practices in antiquity prevented the spread of STDs. Tribes and societies with more free sexual practices may have died out, while those with stricter ones prospered and thus had a greater influence on sexual practices and views, so Darwinian natural selection on the cultural scale.
Don't forget that sex is still a primary reproductive function, although we're one of few species that does it recreationally.
There also the theory that strict sexual practices in antiquity prevented the spread of STDs. Tribes and societies with more free sexual practices may have died out, while those with stricter ones prospered and thus had a greater influence on sexual practices and views, so Darwinian natural selection on the cultural scale.
Mr.Shrugglesã
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Ignants.
Riposte
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Homophobe = homosexual thing is quite an overplayed trope and using it to explain the very phenomenon is silly. A lot of the world was once a lot more homophobic (and a lot of the world still is), and yet this didn't get resolved by half the planet coming out as gay. Projection can't be used to explain every instance of cultural/religious/traditional norms working against the acceptance of homosexuality.
From where I live:
"Family is only man and woman"
"Jesus said... The Bible says... God says..."
"Gay people have mental problems and should be sent to a madhouse"
"It isn't normal"
"It goes against Nature"
And many others.
Personally, I believe it is ignorance, not trying to change, and also being a religion zealot.
"Family is only man and woman"
"Jesus said... The Bible says... God says..."
"Gay people have mental problems and should be sent to a madhouse"
"It isn't normal"
"It goes against Nature"
And many others.
Personally, I believe it is ignorance, not trying to change, and also being a religion zealot.
Airola
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While we had religion as one of the subjects in our schools from the beginning of our school years in Finland, there were many who absolutely detested religion even when they were kids. If it was thought that Christians shouldn't do something, they would think they should have the right to do whatever is forbidden. So in that sense it wouldn't have been logical for them to oppose homosexuality. But some of them did.
I've known many atheists who were very much against homosexuality and religion definitely wasn't a factor in their opinions.
Besides how do you think hate or dislike of homosexuals ever even begun? If there is no God, then there must've been some point where no religion had an effect on anything. Do you think there were no people against homosexuals back then?
Red Liquorice
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Also looking forward to that clarification.
People do not have their views challenged directly. They might hear an opposing viewpoint but it's coming from someone who's getting shouted down on Fox News or whatever so they never get to a point where conflicting ideas/opinions can gestate in their mind. The more you are inculcated into an echo chamber of misinformed opinions the more difficult it is to change them. So that is why some people are still against gay marriage, gay relationships etc.
SolVanderlyn
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Some people see it as an illness. It can also be seen as having sex for pleasure, which in many religious sects is seen as a sin.
There's a certain aspect of peer pressure to it as well, where if you call people out for being homophobic in certain groups people will start to see you as the other and you'll just be there next victim. Have people go through their entire childhood and adolescence in those types of settings and... Well.
This is also the reason you see a lot of people who are in the closet say homophobic things, so those around them won't suspect them/shun them. Falling in line with the herd and all that.
Also:
Da fuck? How is racism more understandable than homophobia? Homophobia stems just as much from culture as anything else.
This is also the reason you see a lot of people who are in the closet say homophobic things, so those around them won't suspect them/shun them. Falling in line with the herd and all that.
Also:
Da fuck? How is racism more understandable than homophobia? Homophobia stems just as much from culture as anything else.
Agent Gibbs
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In discussions with people who've come out with some homophobic comments it seems to me that:
They don't like X Physical interaction between Y genders as they find it 'disgusting', They don't want people to be allowed to do X because of their own problems and cannot disassociate the people from their actions/worldview/sexual orientation
There is obviously people in intense denial too, I know one staunch Trump supporter who's Uncle was gay and was shunned from the family (he was Loved but they couldn't condone the 'Sin'), who himself gives off all the tell tale signals (to me and a few others) that he is denying his own sexuality
It all really stems from a place of trying to make others conform to your standards and views and anything that doesn't is automatically wrong
They don't like X Physical interaction between Y genders as they find it 'disgusting', They don't want people to be allowed to do X because of their own problems and cannot disassociate the people from their actions/worldview/sexual orientation
There is obviously people in intense denial too, I know one staunch Trump supporter who's Uncle was gay and was shunned from the family (he was Loved but they couldn't condone the 'Sin'), who himself gives off all the tell tale signals (to me and a few others) that he is denying his own sexuality
It all really stems from a place of trying to make others conform to your standards and views and anything that doesn't is automatically wrong
Screaming Meat
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I reckon homophobia is more about the homophobe than the homosexual. Their biggest fear is that they might like it.