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[Shaanyboi]

- A game that's been in development for 10+ years is not only going to come with expectation, it also says something about the developer...

- Final Fantasy has largely been pretty shit for a long fucking time now (people seem to like XIV alot, and that's cool, but it also took a severe overhaul on their second attempt to get it there)

- There's nothing to suggest Square's writing has become any less self-important and shitty

- Tnose were some BAD demos at E3


I like the concept of a boyband road trip RPG, I just have zero fucking faith in Square to do it. I'd LOVE for it to be good and for the reasons behind my skepticism to be proven moot, but as of now, nah...


Also, yo, that pandering shit with Cid can fuck right off.

 

[Holundrian]

People love to hate on Final Fantasy. It's been doom and gloom for over a decade now, and it probably won't change. Resident Evil is the same way. As soon as they go back to basics for Final Fantasy, people will change their minds and complain about how they got rid of the open world. Because Final Fantasy can never win.

A lot of people aren't into RPGs either. I imagine a lot of the haters on NeoGAF aren't the type to ever buy a JRPG in the first place. There's also a lot of fans of other JRPG series who want XV to fail to prove how superior their preferred series are, because Final Fantasy is the behemoth of RPGs.

Yeah I guess you got it all figured out.
Reading this I certainly know what else can never win. (Tip it starts with r)
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Yeah I guess we live in a world now where skepticism is hate. I think I'll see myself out of this thread seeing how people cannot respond to other previous posters that cite legit reasons to be concerned and instead just chant "Why u h8tuR"

 

[JBwB]

I honestly don't get the hate either.

Apart from that terrible Xbox One demo showcase (the guy playing it was awful) everything they've shown so far this E3 has been great.

 

[Owari]

I've noticed this as well.. which kinda irks me.

It just seems like after one bad Microsoft demo (which last I checked the X1 runs FFXV at about x360 resolution) .. The game got so much more hate. Like, that demo sucked for sure. Cringe levels of bad. But if an experienced player had the controller I think it would have been really well received. So unfortunate.

 

[sviri]

The amount of time that we've been waiting for this game (3 years) has messed up the hype curve and I think if SE hadn't had tried to ride the hype train so early they'd be in a better position.

I'm looking forward to forming an opinion on whether the final game is

1. good, and
2. restores my faith in FF.

 

[killatopak]

hate? no.

DISAPPOINTMENT.

 

[Mr.Fresh]

I'm personally hyped as hell! Like every Final Fantasy I'll buy it day one and judge it on my on merits when I finish it. Final Fantasy is just one of those series I'll always buy day one regardless.

 

[Mr_Kuschels]

The VR trailer (I think that's what they called it) was so weird and stupid. In Germany we use a word "fremdschämen" which basically means you feel embarrased for someone/something else. When I saw the characters talk to the camera and then storm in to attack the monster, I couldn't help but fremdschämen for whoever thought that would be "cool".

Beside that they showed another gameplay scene during E3, where the group of guys fights a big boss. Everything about that fight looked super clunky.

 

[Dr. Buni]

I don't hate it, but nofin they showed so far is of my tastes. I am just not the target audience, I guess. Tho I am not the target audience of Persona 5 either

I am more into Square RPGs like Final Fantasy 9 and Bravely Default, maybe Dragon Quest even.

Anyways, I do find it funny how people are (were?) hyped for the game after the (supposed) disaster that was Final Fantasy 13...

 

[OmegaDL50]

FFXV was announced 2013, not 2006. :]]

Also active development is not the same as planning stages and pre-production.

To be honest, with so many people being shuffled around to other projects at Square, like when large portions of staff were moved to help fix FFXIV disastrous first release. As well as the FFXIII sequels, it meant time away from actually getting anything done on Versus.

To be perfectly honest, I'd go so far to say FFXV benefits from being a PS4 game rather than a late gen PS3 release.

I don't expect any of those long draw distances, flight travel, large sprawling locations during PS3 era Square anyways, so being shifted to a PS4 game is for the best.

 

[Man God]

hate? no.

DISAPPOINTMENT.

Yep. Game looks not fun. Hasn't done anything to engender hatred.

 

[True Fire]

Based on what I've seen and heard, and played in demos, I have little reason to like FFXV and don't get what's so "incredible" about it.

I don't give a shit about any of the main characters. I don't like the combat system at all. I hate most of the character designs. The visuals look rough, and the game performance itself has seemed inconsistent at best. The story sounds interesting, and it seems like Tabata doesn't have his head all the way up his ass the way Toriyama did, but after several narrative misfires I'm not going to be convinced that SE can tell an engrossing story in mainline FF until I see it. And the last time that happened for me was FFX.

I'm hoping beyond hope that my doubts are wrong, and that it ends up being as amazing as I hoped it would be way back when Versus XIII was first announced. But I haven't seen any reason to believe that it will live up to my initial hype.

It sounds like you desperately want to hate the game. You "don't give a shit about any of the main characters?" You haven't even played the game yet.

You can't judge a game based off of its performance 3 months prior to launch. The Witcher 3, GOTY, was 10fps in Velen on consoles for five months after launch.

 

[.JayZii]

I'm optimistic about the game being good. Jeff Gerstmann, of all people, was saying he played a demo a month or so ago and thought it seemed good, and he's the opposite of a Final Fantasy fan.

Their marketing for it has been a hot mess, though.

I'm going to give them a the benefit of the doubt because of trailers like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7nyrNBFXA

They even introduced the Wait Mode so people can play it with Fallout VATS, if they don't like the action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp6_prJYhQc

 

[dangeraaron10]

I'm the type of person that can forgive faults in a game if there's certain aspects I genuinely love. For RPGs it's always its party roster. FFXV has to be the most boring RPG cast I have ever personally seen. A frickin' boy band who's story heavily involves going on a road trip and being all dude-bro-y. I always loved the diverse rosters of FF games but this one, FFXV, looks rather same-y to me.

Believe me I don't /hate/ the game or want it to fail, in fact I was always interested in it since it was revealed as FF Versus XIII, and my cousin has always been very enthusiastic about the game until recently. It's not even its long development hell. I'M STILL ANTICIPATING THE LAST GUARDIAN.

It's just apathy at this point. The boy band kills it for me. Yes, it may sound rather petty. Would adding that Cid woman and a talking cat to the party in exchange for a couple of the boys make me like it more? Yes, it probably would. This is just me, personally. Plus the combat system looks like hot garbage and doesn't look very fun at all.

 

[eyeball_kid]

I'm a turn-based JRPG person. ATB on wait. I hated XII's combat system, skipped XIII. I made my peace with XV once I grabbed onto the idea that if it was going to be a stylish action game with DMC/ Bayonetta combat, I could play it as some weird non-quite-JRPG thing.

But what I've seen of the combat in XV is kind of a hot mess. They'd better make a hard turn, engines on full reverse, or there's gonna be an iceberg with XV's name on it.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Can someone link a video of the demo? Is it the segment shown at the MS conference? I dunno, it didn't look that bad to me.

 

[WickedLaharl]

People love to hate on Final Fantasy. It's been doom and gloom for over a decade now, and it probably won't change. Resident Evil is the same way. As soon as they go back to basics for Final Fantasy, people will change their minds and complain about how they got rid of the open world. Because Final Fantasy can never win.

A lot of people aren't into RPGs either. I imagine a lot of the haters on NeoGAF aren't the type to ever buy a JRPG in the first place. There's also a lot of fans of other JRPG series who want XV to fail to prove how superior their preferred series are, because Final Fantasy is the behemoth of RPGs.

Such a tired defense.

SE really only has themselves to blame. From the protracted development, poor demos, and the marketing strategy they set it all up to be under insane scrutiny.

ATRs + movie + anime + marketing events like uncovered + spin off games = a pile of dumb.

Next time they should just try making a good game and releasing it in a reasonable timeframe. It's such a crazy idea it just might work!

 

[Nosgotham]

I love FF. Hell, I love FF VIII but IV just doesn't look great from what vie seen or played

 

[broscientific]

People love to hate on Final Fantasy. It's been doom and gloom for over a decade now, and it probably won't change. Resident Evil is the same way. As soon as they go back to basics for Final Fantasy, people will change their minds and complain about how they got rid of the open world. Because Final Fantasy can never win.

What? There are plenty of people in this thread who legitimately want the game to be good but are worried based on impressions of recent demos, gameplay videos, etc.

There's a difference between shittalking a game because you want it to be bad and having a legitimate negative opinion based on evidence

 

[wanders]

Here's the full demo the OP is talking about, it's actually a way better showing than the MS's press one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCmM3KTPjk

I still see fundamental problems in this video.

There's a wonky camera and awful clipping. I remember when ff was cutting edge

 

[Owari]

The VR trailer (I think that's what they called it) was so weird and stupid. In Germany we use a word "fremdschämen" which basically means you feel embarrased for someone/something else. When I saw the characters talk to the camera and then storm in to attack the monster, I couldn't help but fremdschämen for whoever thought that would be "cool".

Beside that they showed another gameplay scene during E3, where the group of guys fights a big boss. Everything about that fight looked super clunky.

VR trailers are really hard to execute. The actual FFXV VR was actually really, really cool. You have to teleport around like Noctis and there's a "trance" meter which gives you a rapid fire. Being up close and personal with a baphomet then shooting it in the face was a dope experience.

 

[SilverArrow20XX]

I played the Demos OP. In both of them I didn't like how the combat felt. It feels unresponsive and sluggish. It was serviceable against small enemies, but fighting the Behemoth and Catoblepas were horrible. Iron Giant and Garulas are better, but still yuck. I held hope for as long as possible that they would fix it, but with 3 months left it's pretty much 100% certain that it'll still be awful in the final release.

I've played, completed, and enjoyed every single title in the series minus some phone games. Not one of these games, including spinoffs, had combat that felt as bad as XV's. Maybe a miracle will occur and the final release's combat will feel 1000 times better than in the Platinum demo. Otherwise, I hope wait mode let's me at least enjoy the rest of the game.

 

[Shirke]

I really want FFXV to be good so I can have a few more exclusives I want to actually get that would make a PS4 worth owning for me. But there were some things I didn't really feel, like the often-mentioned XBONE demo with Titan which didn't look too fun. That plus it's been years since a proper console FF, so expectations are pretty high.

Right now Persona 5 is pretty much the Console JRPG I'm looking forward to the most since I've seen nothing but good things about it. And that's coming next year along NieR Automata, so I may just wait out till then to consider getting a PS4 or whatever it's upgrade is.

 

[ethomaz]

- Final Fantasy has largely been pretty shit for a long fucking time now (people seem to like XIV alot, and that's cool, but it also took a severe overhaul on their second attempt to get it there.

Just to add.

FFXIV only become good because it is a MMO where people were paying ~$30 per month. SE did create a entry new game just to not lose these monthly $$$.

I hardly believe SE will do the same if any retail FF is released like the trash that FFXIV at launch.

They won't make a new game to fix it like they did with FFXIV.

 

[True Fire]

Such a tired defense.

SE really only has themselves to blame. From the protracted development, poor demos, and the marketing strategy they set it all up to be under insane scrutiny.

ATRs + movie + anime + marketing events like uncovered + spin off games = a pile of dumb.

Not with that Tales avatar though... You want to see tired marketing, bad spin-off games, poor demos, and terrible anime tie-ins? Look at what Tales has become.

Persona has the same cringeworthy marketing and people give it a free pass.

 

[kamineko]

I dunno, I feel like a lot of GAF really wants to like it, but they're having a hard time doing that based on what they've seen

Feels like a lot of goodwill going to waste, if anything

 

[MilkBeard]

VR trailers are really hard to execute. The actual FFXV VR was actually really, really cool. You have to teleport around like Noctis and there's a "trance" meter which gives you a rapid fire. Being up close and personal with a baphomet then shooting it in the face was a dope experience.

Yeah, this whole thing has really be a problem with the way SE is presenting the game. The little VR clip they included in the video was pretty confusing and cringe inducing...but from your explanation, it sounds interesting.

I'm convinced that whoever is making these videos and marketing decisions has no idea how to promote the game.

And Tabata has been too open and honest. He had good intentions, but I don't think gamers actually want to see and play an unfinished game. They get worried and react, thinking that the finished product is going to be the same as the unfinished demo.

 

[Owari]

Also, yo, that pandering shit with Cid can fuck right off.

Agreed 100%. This was the most awkward thing ever in the middle of the PSVR booth. The rep was like "oh there's a surprise at the end" and I'm like "oh. um. ok. ... This part is taking a really long time." Were they just expecting me to just like jump down from my chair and start VR motorboating Cid? That part was a painfully cringey end of a really fantastic demo.

 

[encephalon]

It's currently dubious as to whether or not it will be stable upon its release in Sept. Or at least it seems that way.

We've seen little to nothing in terms of the story. There is really no reason to believe that Square Enix believes that anything that happens in the story at all is so much of a "spoiler" that they couldn't possibly show it in terms of a trailer. This makes the game appear as if it's uneventful.

It's fine that Square Enix wants to create an "open world" Final Fantasy. And although I haven't really tried anything out myself except for briefly trying Duscae, if the combat is largely brain dead with vast open fields, then fine, whatever, it's the next Final Fantasy XII. But it doesn't seem like Square is equipped to deliver this experience.

I'm worried the game will be an expansive adventure, but ultimately a dissatisfying one. A long and empty adventure with distant goals where not a lot happens aside from traveling from point A to point B. And I'm worried the game will release in a poor state, because it seems pretty late to be in one where it's prone to crashing as much as it is now.

 

[benzy]

I'm optimistic about the game being good. Jeff Gerstmann, of all people, was saying he played a demo a month or so ago and thought it seemed good, and he's the opposite of a Final Fantasy fan.

Their marketing for it has been a hot mess, though.

I'm going to give them a the benefit of the doubt because of trailers like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7nyrNBFXA

The battle system actually looks pretty good and could be tons of fun on smaller enemies.

Boss battle like Titan being a huge QTE fest with extremely lenient parry timing just looks awful though.

 

[SDBurton]

People love to hate on Final Fantasy. It's been doom and gloom for over a decade now, and it probably won't change. Resident Evil is the same way. As soon as they go back to basics for Final Fantasy, people will change their minds and complain about how they got rid of the open world. Because Final Fantasy can never win.

A lot of people aren't into RPGs either. I imagine a lot of the haters on NeoGAF aren't the type to ever buy a JRPG in the first place. There's also a lot of fans of other JRPG series who want XV to fail to prove how superior their preferred series are, because Final Fantasy is the behemoth of RPGs.

More like people loved to hate on XIII. As someone who thought the trilogy was 'alright' overall, it was aggravating as hell to go through every XIII related thread and find people shitting on it, asking "where's Versus, we don't want this crap!" or making some other obnoxious remark. And now here we are.

Not even going to try and hide the smile I have right now reading this thread. :lol

 

[Leafhopper]

Not with that Tales avatar though... You want to see tired marketing, bad spin-off games, poor demos, and terrible anime tie-ins? Look at what Tales has become.

Persona has the same cringeworthy marketing and people give it a free pass.

I thought we were talking about Final Fantasy 15?

The battle system actually looks pretty good and could be tons of fun on smaller enemies.

Boss battle like Titan being a huge QTE fest with extremely lenient parry timing just looks awful though.

Which is the weirdest thing about all of this. Fighting mobs look fun but not the big enemies.

 

[CharminUltra]

I don't hate it, but the last few FF were lame (IMO of course) and the gameplay footage I've seen didn't blow me away. It didn't even intrigue me.

 

[Cloud7]

Rofl, truly the Final Fantasy.
I don't think that's the real narrative looking at the entire XIII series.

I never said the XIII trilogy was good. I think the series starting slipping after X. What I said is just my opinion based on how I see people on boards and in real-life react to the series. I feel this way even more because of the way some people I've noticed go out of their way to hate some of the older FF games (mostly VII, VIII, and X) when a lot of the hate I've seen for those games didn't really start until a few years ago. I think some of that is the result of Final Fantasy saturation.

 

[Holundrian]

Not with that Tales avatar though... You want to see tired marketing, bad spin-off games, poor demos, and terrible anime tie-ins? Look at what Tales has become.

Persona has the same cringeworthy marketing and people give it a free pass.

That pass is earned. Where as for FF that pass was lost. Do I have to explain why?

I never said the XIII trilogy was good. I think the series starting slipping after X. What I said is just my opinion based on how I see people on boards and in real-life react to the series. I feel this way even more because of the way some people I've noticed go out of their way to hate some of the older FF games (mostly VII, VIII, and X) when a lot of the hate I've seen for those games didn't really start until a few years ago. I think some of that is the result of Final Fantasy saturation.

No my point is this is a fantasy story that I don't even know why people would arrive at that.
The biggest reason why FF doesn't earn benefit of doubt anymore and is under more scrutiny is based on the titles released since the PS3 started.
+ Square doing shit like originally releasing a shitty FF14 and bad mobile games. The name has suffered because of that not because of over saturation of decent titles....

 

[YankeeDonB]

FFXV GAF HYPE CREW is still here. Relax. I'm just not posting in many FFXV threads due to spoilers. The hype is still real for the game. Trust me.

Represent.

There are lots of factors possibly contributing OP.

Poor choices related to the demos
Incredibly long development period wears on people
FF XIII soured lots of folks on the series
Muddled promotional messaging
People who don't like the character aesthetic
People who liked the Versus tid bits and see XV as a departure
People who love Nomura and feel he was thrown over
People who grew up with the series and now consider themselves too mature
Traditional turn based fans who feel betrayed by full action
Character action fans who feel the game isn't tight enough
People who don't like open world design
People who like to bandwagon easy targets

When the game is shown off to good effect (e.g., E3 2013 trailer, TGS 2014 trailer, Uncovered, the flying and Altissia videos from this E3), many people respond well.

They've just shown it way too many times over way too long a period, and some of what they've shown has been less impressive. That's led to 75% of the hate I think, directly or indirectly.

As someone who played Duscae 1.0 and 2.0, and spent quite a bit of time with iron giant in platinum, I think the game is built on a deep, strategic, and enjoyable action system. Warping is fantastic when you get the hang of hard and soft lock warps and when to use them. Add in craftable spells, higher magic, party skills, summons, and I think it's going to surprise a lot of folks who spend the time to learn the systems.

I also think from what they showed at Uncovered and since that the world is huge, beautiful, varied, filled with secrets, populated with one of the most impressive and varied bestiaries of any current gen game, and it's going to be a pleasure to traverse by foot, chocobo, car, boat, and airship.

From the two Brotherhood anime episodes so far, I think the characters are going to be fairly well developed, and more likable than a lot of people think just from their looks.

The OST is also hype.

And for many, myself included, a road trip is a fresh and interesting story hook for an RPG.

There are a ton of reasons to be excited about the game, but SE has just worn people out, and provided too much ammunition for drive bys.

None of that is to say any particular person isn't justified in finding what they've shown unappealing. Just to note that there's a lot in this game that could pan out very nicely if it all comes together, but many people (at least around here) aren't currently inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Phediuk]

Bad demo and terrible E3 presentation.

not much of a mystery OP.

 

[george_us]

My hype died when all three demos failed to do anything for me. Not a fan of the combat system at all.

 

[Liquid_015]

The "hate" would also stem from the unwarranted design changes to the main characters such as King Regis and Gladio's father "Clarus" because of "consistency" between the film and the game.

 

[Thoraxes]

For me it just comes down to not really liking action rpgs (maybe one or two exceptions ever), not liking any the main cast and their relationships at all, the poor camera control, the poor lock-on system, and what currently appears to be a big open world for the sake of having a big open world.

Spoiler

Also even though the production is dope, i'm not the biggest fan of Shimomura's work in this game compared to the other stuff she's been doing recently.

The combat itself just feels clunky and cumbersome too.

Something like the wait mode they added definitely helps alleviate two of my dislikes though. I don't think I hate anything here though; i'm just disappointed with what we've been shown and given demos of. They still sound like they're working their asses off to fix and address as much as they can, so I look forward to seeing how it all pans out for them. Wanting a game to be bad is just a dumb viewpoint.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Not with that Tales avatar though... You want to see tired marketing, bad spin-off games, poor demos, and terrible anime tie-ins? Look at what Tales has become.

Persona has the same cringeworthy marketing and people give it a free pass.

You got me! In all my time on gaf i have definitely never shat on tales.

 

[D3VI0US]

Everything about it looks shitty to me. The characters, the empty open world, the battle system, the plot. I couldn't get through the demo either, it just didn't feel like a FF game I wanted to play.

 

[Mediking]

Represent.

There are lots of factors possibly contributing OP.

Poor choices related to the demos
Incredibly long development period wears on people
FF XIII soured lots of folks on the series
Muddled promotional messaging
People who don't like the character aesthetic
People who liked the Versus tid bits and see XV as a departure
People who love Nomura and feel he was thrown over
People who grew up with the series and now consider themselves too mature
Traditional turn based fans who feel betrayed by full action
Character action fans who feel the game isn't tight enough
People who don't like open world design
People who like to bandwagon easy targets

When the game is shown off to good effect (e.g., E3 2013 trailer, TGS 2014 trailer, Uncovered, the flying and Altissia videos from this E3), many people respond well.

They've just shown it way too many times over way too long a period, and some of what they've shown has been less impressive. That's led to 75% of the hate I think, directly or indirectly.

As someone who played Duscae 1.0 and 2.0, and spent quite a bit of time with iron giant in platinum, I think the game is built on a deep, strategic, and enjoyable action system. Warping is fantastic when you get the hang of hard and soft lock warps and when to use them. Add in craftable spells, higher magic, party skills, summons, and I think it's going to surprise a lot of folks who spend the time to learn the systems.

I also think from what they showed at Uncovered and since that the world is huge, beautiful, varied, filled with secrets, populated with one of the most impressive and varied bestiaries of any current gen game, and it's going to be a pleasure to traverse by foot, chocobo, car, boat, and airship.

From the two Brotherhood anime episodes so far, I think the characters are going to be fairly well developed, and more likable than a lot of people think just from their looks.

The OST is also hype.

And for many, myself included, a road trip is a fresh and interesting story hook for an RPG.

There are a ton of reasons to be excited about the game, but SE has just worn people out, and provided too much ammunition for drive bys.

None of that is to say any particular person isn't justified in finding what they've shown unappealing. Just to note that there's a lot in this game that could pan out very nicely if it all comes together, but many people (at least around here) aren't currently inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Yankee!!! Nice to see ya! You're always dropping wisdom!

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Ffxv
Any quantum dream thread
Psvr
Spencer threads

Hate..hate everywhere lol

 

[Grizzlyjin]

What? There are plenty of people in this thread who legitimately want the game to be good but are worried based on impressions of recent demos, gameplay videos, etc.

There's a difference between shittalking a game because you want it to be bad and having a legitimate negative opinion based on evidence

Exactly. I love the franchise, I'm not going to wish for a bad game. What do I get out of that other than wasting my money and time. But I think to myself "If this didn't have the Final Fantasy name on it, would I still be following this game closely?" Probably not. Every once in awhile they'll drop a nice trailer that will pull me in again but then it's accompanied with gameplay videos that look tedious. That's my opinion of course. But the demos felt like a really bad halfway point between RPG and action game, not doing either one very well. It isn't just "Lol JPOP boyband party" trolls. People have had legitimate concerns with the design of the game. They might pull it off, but all those minuses start adding up in my head and make me extremely cautious.

Ironically I think some people go the opposite direction, where they want so badly for the thing they've anticipated to be good, that they want to block out any criticism. When the reviews go up, they go on the defensive and blame critics and "bad fans." You see it with movies and games these days. Years and years of analyzing trailers and tiny morsels of info, and the idea that the final product might be mediocre is crushing to them.

 

[OmegaDL50]

Such a tired defense.

SE really only has themselves to blame. From the protracted development, poor demos, and the marketing strategy they set it all up to be under insane scrutiny.

ATRs + movie + anime + marketing events like uncovered + spin off games = a pile of dumb.

Next time they should just try making a good game and releasing it in a reasonable timeframe. It's such a crazy idea it just might work!

Development would have been the same regardless of the CG Movie or Anime existence to be begin with.

It's not like the programmers and coders actively working on the game are stopping all that they are doing for the Anime Studio and CG Movie guys to get done doing whatever first.

Game development is generally compartmentalized and with different teams working on different things.

As for the comment for the reasonable time frame. How long do you believe FFXV was in ACTIVE development and not merely pre-production or planning stages not factoring the staff being shifted around to work on other projects.

The ATR's and insights on the project are probably bit more enlightening on the actual projects inner workings and progress rather than some text interviews that are sparse with details like in the previous games in the series.

There is no excuse for the poor demo showings though. Of all things to fumble on. The poor display with that one Titan battle at E3 did not do any favors to generate positive reception for FFXV.

From the game looking amazing to mediocre from video to different video, there is one thing to sure that FFXV's showcase has been very inconsistent at best.

 

[gigantor21]

It sounds like you desperately want to hate the game. You "don't give a shit about any of the main characters?" You haven't even played the game yet.

You can't judge a game based off of its performance 3 months prior to launch. The Witcher 3, GOTY, was 10fps in Velen on consoles for five months after launch.

Desperately want to hate it? I was all in on the game when the FFXV reset was announced. But the more we've seen of the game, the less I've liked--and the demos in particular REALLY soured me on the approach they're taking with it. It didn't take much effort for me to start losing faith in the game after that.

 

[Aeriscloud]

Maybe if they stopped showing us warmed up garbage recently, I wouldn't hate it so much.

 

[Mediking]

Ffxv
Any quantum dream thread
Psvr
Spencer threads

Hate..hate everywhere lol

The FFXV GAF HYPE CREW still lives on! Haha it's okay!

 

[Owari]

Represent.

There are lots of factors possibly contributing OP.

Poor choices related to the demos
Incredibly long development period wears on people
FF XIII soured lots of folks on the series
Muddled promotional messaging
People who don't like the character aesthetic
People who liked the Versus tid bits and see XV as a departure
People who love Nomura and feel he was thrown over
People who grew up with the series and now consider themselves too mature
Traditional turn based fans who feel betrayed by full action
Character action fans who feel the game isn't tight enough
People who don't like open world design
People who like to bandwagon easy targets

When the game is shown off to good effect (e.g., E3 2013 trailer, TGS 2014 trailer, Uncovered, the flying and Altissia videos from this E3), many people respond well.

They've just shown it way too many times over way too long a period, and some of what they've shown has been less impressive. That's led to 75% of the hate I think, directly or indirectly.

As someone who played Duscae 1.0 and 2.0, and spent quite a bit of time with iron giant in platinum, I think the game is built on a deep, strategic, and enjoyable action system. Warping is fantastic when you get the hang of hard and soft lock warps and when to use them. Add in craftable spells, higher magic, party skills, summons, and I think it's going to surprise a lot of folks who spend the time to learn the systems.

I also think from what they showed at Uncovered and since that the world is huge, beautiful, varied, filled with secrets, populated with one of the most impressive and varied bestiaries of any current gen game, and it's going to be a pleasure to traverse by foot, chocobo, car, boat, and airship.

From the two Brotherhood anime episodes so far, I think the characters are going to be fairly well developed, and more likable than a lot of people think just from their looks.

The OST is also hype.

And for many, myself included, a road trip is a fresh and interesting story hook for an RPG.

There are a ton of reasons to be excited about the game, but SE has just worn people out, and provided too much ammunition for drive bys.

None of that is to say any particular person isn't justified in finding what they've shown unappealing. Just to note that there's a lot in this game that could pan out very nicely if it all comes together, but many people (at least around here) aren't currently inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt.

This is a great recap. Much obliged. I literally couldn't figure out the hate. This post puts it in perspective.