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What's up with Atlus this gen?

Vamphuntr said:
You can add Growlanser V and VI and the psp port of Growlanser
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Well if we want to start counting Career Soft games too then it really would be Growlanser II, III & IV that would be counted considering the limitations I put down (as well as the PSP port as you mentioned). But I somehow doubt that they "count" here ;)
 
They released Persona 4 this generation and a bunch of Trauma games. A company like Atlus is in a tough spot. The games they release are very niche and are really for hardcore gamers whop can understand and appreciate their franchises. PS3/360 are very expensive to develop for and don't fit Atlus' business model. The Wii is their best bet but it doesn't have the same userbase PS2 had. DS maybe the best way forward for Atlus.
 
vicissitudes said:
We're now in what...the 5th year of this gen and what has Atlus developed so far?
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While I don't exactly disagree with your desire to see a last-gen-level effort from 'em, I keep seeing this parroted in various threads. Even if you define things as when the first next-gen system hit rather than when the other two dropped in, we're barely into year four, dude. At this rate, next year people are going to be complaining that this gen has gone on for too long in like six months.

And I have to give Atlus plenty of luv for bringing over those From Software games. They've really tried to support Demon's Souls with a bunch of world tendency events and stuff. The output might be meager, but at least they're trying to make the most of it. And hey, a new Persona is coming, that's something, right? Maybe? No? Awwwww...
 
Well, look on the bright side.

That Amazon.co.jp listing of "Shin Megami Tensei" for PS3 MIGHT just yet yield something soon...! :lol
 
pgtl_10 said:
They released Persona 4 this generation and a bunch of Trauma games. A company like Atlus is in a tough spot. The games they release are very niche and are really for hardcore gamers whop can understand and appreciate their franchises. PS3/360 are very expensive to develop for and don't fit Atlus' business model. The Wii is their best bet but it doesn't have the same userbase PS2 had. DS maybe the best way forward for Atlus.
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Well put, I totally agree. I feel like we're going to get a PS3 version of Persona but with last gen "feel" much like disgaea on ps3
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I can't believe people are misattributing Atlus games when they have such amazing original hits like Disgaea, Tactics Ogre, Odin Sphere, Riviera, Yggdra Union, and soon to be 3D Bit Heroes!

GOD, GUYS
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:lol

You think things are bad now, wait'll NISA publishes the Persona anime. I'm not joking.
 
They'll get to the HD consoles eventually. Until then, you can look forward to their other current gen games like SMT: Strange Journey, the next mainline entry in the critically acclaimed Shin Megami Tensei™ series coming March 23.
 
Seems kind of pointless when Atlus could do a perfectly acceptable SMT game on the DS or PSP.

I mean dang it's a turn-based RPG. Could do that on a TI-83 or something.

BTW: Obligatory "Ewww...Trauma Center" post...hate those damn games.
 
Atlus just published Shiren the Wanderer, and I haven't been able to find a single store that carries it. That breaks my heart, but who can blame retailers for not ordering niche titles, especially considering stuff like Dark Spire. That game was marked down to FIVE dollars within months of release.
 
Atlus will be asking themselves "What's up with Sony and Microsoft this gen?" in regards to their expensive high end consoles which not only cost a lot for the consumers to buy, but cost a lot to develop for which puts tremendous strain on small developers.

With the sales that Atlus developed games normally get, they are best to avoid the suicide of the HD consoles. As much as I would love Persona 5 on the PS3, I would much rather still have Atlus as a company existing and making games.
 
Lightning said:
Atlus will be asking themselves "What's up with Sony and Microsoft this gen?" in regards to their expensive high end consoles which not only cost a lot for the consumers to buy, but cost a lot to develop for which puts tremendous strain on small developers.

With the sales that Atlus developed games normally get, they are best to avoid the suicide of the HD consoles. As much as I would love Persona 5 on the PS3, I would much rather still have Atlus as a company existing and making games.
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And that's why God gave Sony and Nintendo inspiration to manufacture handheld consoles... Seriously, if you don't have a handheld of some sort this gen, you're pretty much doing it wrong.
 
Lightning said:
Atlus will be asking themselves "What's up with Sony and Microsoft this gen?" in regards to their expensive high end consoles which not only cost a lot for the consumers to buy, but cost a lot to develop for which puts tremendous strain on small developers.

With the sales that Atlus developed games normally get, they are best to avoid the suicide of the HD consoles. As much as I would love Persona 5 on the PS3, I would much rather still have Atlus as a company existing and making games.
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It's not like they are supporting the Wii either, though. I think that what is frustrating for some people is that their games have actually regressed in terms of graphical fidelity compared to what they were putting out on the PS2.
 
Let me put it in a mathematical perspective:

HD development being expensive + Atlus being a relatively small company + Atlus games having a niche appeal = hesitation to develop for the PS3/360.
 
tokkun said:
It's not like they are supporting the Wii either, though.
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Um, yes they are.

The Trauma Center games.

And considering that Trauma Team, the fifth game in the series, is coming out on the Wii soon, I think they're doing pretty well with it
 
tokkun said:
It's not like they are supporting the Wii either, though. I think that what is frustrating for some people is that their games have actually regressed in terms of graphical fidelity compared to what they were putting out on the PS2.
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They're supporting the wii with trauma games ;) At any rate, the last thing you play an Atlus game for is graphical fidelity. I play Atlus games for deep, challenging gameplay and high encounter rates, but that's just me.
 
Valkyr Junkie said:
You guys need to give Atlus some credit for Demon's Souls. Without them, there is zero chance it would have ever been released in the US.
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I agree.

I know that From Software had more to do with it than Atlus did, but at the same time every game needs a publisher just as much as it needs a developer in order to get released. It's getting hard these days to find a publisher willing to take a gamble on an unproven IP, and so Atlus deserves to be commended for being willing to take a risk on it.
 
Lightning said:
Atlus will be asking themselves "What's up with Sony and Microsoft this gen?" in regards to their expensive high end consoles which not only cost a lot for the consumers to buy, but cost a lot to develop for which puts tremendous strain on small developers.

With the sales that Atlus developed games normally get, they are best to avoid the suicide of the HD consoles. As much as I would love Persona 5 on the PS3, I would much rather still have Atlus as a company existing and making games.
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Juno500 said:
Let me put it in a mathematical perspective:

HD development being expensive + Atlus being a relatively small company + Atlus games having a niche appeal = hesitation to develop for the PS3/360.
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We pretty much know that they are doing something on the Ps3/360 at this point, though.

tokkun said:
It's not like they are supporting the Wii either, though.
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Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Trauma Center: New Blood
Trauma Team

tokkun said:
I think that what is frustrating for some people is that their games have actually regressed in terms of graphical fidelity compared to what they were putting out on the PS2.
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um... what? Atlus's PS2 games were never titans of graphics and there isn't exactly much that could be compared to them regardless. What kind of comparison would you even make? The Trauma Center games are probably too different to be compared graphically to much else outside of other Trauma Center games and the only thing else are DS & PSP games which would obviously look worse. So, how have their games regressed graphically?
 
I thought Strange Journey was basically SMTIV without the number (since it wasn't set in Japan). Just buy that and play the damn thing, between it and Devil Survivor I'm happy on SMT content until the inevitable release of Persona 5 in gloriously low-budget HD!
 
Juno500 said:
I agree.

I know that From Software had more to do with it than Atlus did, but at the same time every game needs a publisher just as much as it needs a developer in order to get released. It's getting hard these days to find a publisher willing to take a gamble on an unproven IP, and so Atlus deserves to be commended for being willing to take a risk on it.
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annnnd it hit top 20 on NPD!
 
Valkyr Junkie said:
You guys need to give Atlus some credit for Demon's Souls. Without them, there is zero chance it would have ever been released in the US.
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Well of course.

But I thought this discussion was about Atlus and not Atlus USA.
 
Atlus I think are just now starting to make the transition I would assume. Rumours say that they have Persona 5 in the making for Playstation 3, and that doesn''t really come as a surprise, since the Playstation 2 is pretty much dead by now. They probably now have the right amount of money to start serious developement, having saved up everything from previous DS, PSP and Playstation 2.
 
grandjedi6 said:
um... what? Atlus's PS2 games were never titans of graphics and there isn't exactly much that could be compared to them regardless. What kind of comparison would you even make? The Trauma Center games are probably too different to be compared graphically to much else outside of other Trauma Center games and the only thing else are DS & PSP games which would obviously look worse. So, how have their games regressed graphically?
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Yes, I was talking about their RPGs, not the Trauma Center games. And you answered your own question: they look worse because they are on DS & PSP. The regression in graphics is entirely due to their choice of platform, which is why I was suggesting that if they aren't going to make HD RPGs due to development costs that they at least make the games on the Wii.

Honestly, though, I don't think they have to spend a ridiculous amount of money to make an HD game. I would be perfectly happy with something that had the same sort of in-game assets as Persona 4, but was just rendered at HD resolutions. See shot from PCSX2:

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tokkun said:
Yes, I was talking about their RPGs, not the Trauma Center games. And you answered your own question: they look worse because they are on DS & PSP. The regression in graphics is entirely due to their choice of platform, which is why I was suggesting that if they aren't going to make HD RPGs due to development costs that they at least make the games on the Wii.

Honestly, though, I don't think they have to spend a ridiculous amount of money to make an HD game. I would be perfectly happy with something that had the same sort of in-game assets as Persona 4, but was just rendered at HD resolutions. See shot from PCSX2:

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eh, Atlus's games were never really graphic powerhouses so their development towards handhelds doesn't seem worthy of being disappointed in, even if one is a graphics aficionado (personally I adore handhelds). Anyway, I'm sure Atlus will end up developing for every system by the end of the generation so everyone will get something.
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Squadron said:
if Persona 5 isnt on ps3 im going to shit a brick...i put off playing 4 because i sold my ps2 for my ps3 :(
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I would be fine with P5 built on a modified P4 engine for Wii. I am not fine with P5 built on the P3P engine. Not fine at all. :|
 
Pretty much no developer can afford modeling and animating hundreds of characters using this generation's tech, let alone Atlus whose games don't sell millions. It's sad, because the Megaten universe would look glorious in HD.
 
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