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I got to start ignoring all these DF bitch threads. Y’all the biggest babies in the universe lol
I disagree, their quality is better on production, no doubt. But they are:-
I on the other hand
- Funded by Eurogamer and other sources;
- Have a team to work on content;
- Are all full time;
- Have a MUCH higher revenue from Patron and YT
- Have MUCH more contacts and connections in the industry (due to Eurogamer and RL)
- Am a single/solo entity;
- This is all part-time/side project as I work full time in the Technology and Development sector;
- Most of my videos are made (start to finish) between a Saturday and Sunday;
- I have no support other than my loyal Patrons and the small YT revenue (which I make almost no profit from);
- I have a very limited access to the industry but do have contact with a few good Developers in the industry;
All the above said, I present data, info and I believe a deeper technical insight into the engines, tech and games than they do. This is supported by many others who have commented as such INCLUDING developers themselves.
Am I better? Is DF better? Who cares!
The thing is choice and I stand by the fact my content is as engaging and informed as theirs but people can choose which they prefer...but
This is the narrative of the Sony fans and they literally believe it to be true. Look at the number of positive reactions this comment alone has. Amazing.
It reminds me of the Real Madrid fans that are so accostumed of every media being heavily on their side, that when a media that doesn’t align with the narrative pops out, it’s inmediately dismissed as “anti Madrid”.
I’m sure a similar example can be made with democrats and media in America, I’m just not that versed.
The argument has no nuance, it's a fiction, an invention, twelve pages in and it has zero evidence to support it.I'm so glad you find confirmation bias so easily, I think the argument has nuance to it and some perspectives have been very enlightening. You seem here to prove a point, not enlighten yourself or others.
The argument has no nuance, it's a fiction, an invention, twelve pages in and it has zero evidence to support it.
Zero.
Consider yourself enlightened.
I think you understood me wrong. I'm not disliking your content, in fact, I enjoy your videos.I disagree, their quality is better on production, no doubt. But they are:-
I on the other hand
- Funded by Eurogamer and other sources;
- Have a team to work on content;
- Are all full time;
- Have a MUCH higher revenue from Patron and YT
- Have MUCH more contacts and connections in the industry (due to Eurogamer and RL)
- Am a single/solo entity;
- This is all part-time/side project as I work full time in the Technology and Development sector;
- Most of my videos are made (start to finish) between a Saturday and Sunday;
- I have no support other than my loyal Patrons and the small YT revenue (which I make almost no profit from);
- I have a very limited access to the industry but do have contact with a few good Developers in the industry;
All the above said, I present data, info and I believe a deeper technical insight into the engines, tech and games than they do. This is supported by many others who have commented as such INCLUDING developers themselves.
Am I better? Is DF better? Who cares!
The thing is choice and I stand by the fact my content is as engaging and informed as theirs but people can choose which they prefer...but
That screenshot.. are you joking? GT clearly looks better there. Ah well, subjective i guess. But if you are joking, funny clap clap!
If you look through my post you quoted you see they have fabricated problems with GT on numerous occasions - saying its superior tree models served only to increase the number of glitches - i could trawl through the video to find every instance but i think it would be so easy for you to say "nope" that i feel i should not bother, and rather just rest on everything I've said.
I don't know what you mean by that.. i guess you mean you don't want me to keep insisting on his slip ups.Subjectively and from your point of view, gtsport might look better in that screenshot, or in general.
Objectively though.... there's a whole lot of a difference in image quality, aliasing etc, which is expected, since fm7 is full-flat 4k , while gts is ...checkerboarded up to 1800p then ...upscaled to 4k.
And not only that, but there is also a big difference in the sensation of speed that these games offer, again with fm7 being the better one.
*I will not argue facts with non-facts, so please refrain from replying with something silly
Cool story bro about your stone years of shortages.snip
Cool story bro about your stone years of shortages.
But in reality, other than sense of speed, forza has also been excelling in physics and content too. I don't even want to analyze that.
EVERYONE who has both machines, these or even the previous ones knows it.
In general, forza exceeds during playtime. All the one-ups gt has are by vast majority during non-playtime, like replays, photomode, presentation.
Like another poster said, comparing photomode instead of runtime was rather unfair of DF, which is why I find your posts regarding the subject hilarious.
Recently they even one-uped the latest show of gt7, because while nowhere in-game was raytracing to be seen on that trial mountain gameplay snippet, they acted it out like what was seen in the trailers and pit animation was actually in-game. Well, it wasn't.
Stuff like shadow creeps and texture popups during playtime was like invisible for them, as well as the poor sound was inaudible (ex. tunnel).
Thus, complaining about DF specifically on gran turismo games coverage is certainly a joke, much like this entire thread is.
So, on to GT7, from what I remember of that video there is raytracing in game. I will rewatch the video if you like but I remember clearly that rear view mirror reflections are ray traced. But beyond that, I quite clearly remember the reviewers saying that there is plenty of ray tracing on display - at 60fps.
I note very happily that you've entirely forgotten that my whole point on this thread is saying that their GT vs F7 video is evidence that they bend their reviews to perpetuate an illusion of an equal console race.
be my guest
No one is hated more than the man who tells the truth.
Are you saying that Hitler was a truth teller?Hitler : thank you!
No one is hated more than the man who tells the truth.
I remember back in the day when DF were Sony biased (back in the 720p vs 900p days) and the outrage wasn’t this high from gaf. lol
According to your example yes. According to me no.Are you saying that Hitler was a truth teller?
Halo bias was not actually MS bias, it was PC bias. Alex did the analysis.DF shills for Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. You'd have to be delusional to think they have bias over one and not the other. And the amount of sponsored content they've been putting out lately is shady. Their knowledge as enthusiasts is fine, but none of them cleary have any actual industry experience in tech, and they get information wrong, or just omit information all the time.
Let's use the actual DF video, shall we? With its uncompressed footage? And listen to what herr germandude says about Ray Tracing throughout the video?
Hmmm oishi!
EDIT: The video is about 3 games, the portion on GT is short, I'm disappointed. I look forward to a better video about it - but he does have time to note ray tracing during the in-game footage portion.
PLATO FFS!Hitler : thank you!
DF shills for Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. You'd have to be delusional to think they have bias over one and not the other. And the amount of sponsored content they've been putting out lately is shady. Their knowledge as enthusiasts is fine, but none of them cleary have any actual industry experience in tech, and they get information wrong, or just omit information all the time.
Lol it did happen. Every single time a multiplat game came out df would try to spin it like the ps4 was some godsend console compared to the measly Xbox one in resolution even though both were sub 1080p and then whenever Xbox has a game with a good resolution they would downplay it. Stop. lolThat never happened. Leadbetter was a MS apologist from the early days, pre-DF. Even in the early PS4 days when Xbox was releasing games in 900P he made excuses and spun it. Don't try to revise history, lots of us have been watching him for years.
Because every ps4 game did, just about, run at a higher resolution than xbox.Lol it did happen. Every single time a multiplat game came out df would try to spin it like the ps4 was some godsend console compared to the measly Xbox one in resolution even though both were sub 1080p and then whenever Xbox has a game with a good resolution they would downplay it. Stop. lol
Give one clear example.That never happened. Leadbetter was a MS apologist from the early days, pre-DF. Even in the early PS4 days when Xbox was releasing games in 900P he made excuses and spun it. Don't try to revise history, lots of us have been watching him for years.
Which is fine, but whenever the first edition of the Xbox one did have impressive resolution and matched the ps4 they would just glide past it in their comparisons, but when the opposite happened they would take a good 5 minutes to talk about it. This changed after the first year or two though obviously.Because every ps4 game did, just about, run at a higher resolution than xbox.
when did the opposite ever happen? I can't think of any xbox version running at a higher resolution.Which is fine, but whenever the first edition of the Xbox one did have impressive resolution and matched the ps4 they would just glide past it in their comparisons, but when the opposite happened they would take a good 5 minutes to talk about it. This changed after the first year or two though obviously.
dont tell me that I've been wasting my time with a ...fanboy?
I put up for you the official ps5 gt 7 trailer, pointing directly to when in-game trial mountain starts.
DO YOU SEE ANY RAY TRACING IN-GAME?
NOPE, YOU DONT! THERE IS NONE!
DOES DF THUS IS TALKING BALONEY ON THEIR OWN VIDEO?
YEAP, THEY DO!
Please continue telling us how DF is biased against gran turismo and playstation, now that we have the proper perspective
PLATO FFS!
I don't know what you mean by that.. i guess you mean you don't want me to keep insisting on his slip ups.
You seem to be saying two things, and you can feel free to contradict me here:
A) it's 4k, which is why it doesn't look as good.
B) it looks faster.
I'll start with B) yes, i agree. I've always thought GT cars seemed kind of sedate compared to games like NFS, which is perhaps why i don't actually play GT.
A) do you realise the problem with that statement? We concede in one breath that GT looks better, while simultaneously saying that F7 has a higher resolution. In what world is 4k better in any way if it just shows off worse graphics? Furthermore, 4k doesn't actually boost polygon count, right? It just means there are way more pixels, so the image is sharper, right? So what we're saying is, not only does F7 not look as good, we can also see the imperfections better?
Didn't we just have this same conversation about Half Infinite? We would settle for 1440 if it let them make the game look gorgeous while still running at 60fps?
What I'm ultimately saying here is this: things are being said here to resist there being a straight up, cold winner in the graphics stakes. 4k is being used as if it is a graphical feature, rather than a TV screen pixel density count.
You know, back in 2002 or 03 i was really, really happy to get True Crime: Streets of LA on my GameCube. Why? Because we couldn't get GTA. True Crime was the closest we could get, and i loved that game hugely. Did it look as good as GTA? Not a chance. Was it as fun as GTA? Hell no. I knew these things as i played it, i still loved True Crime.
F7 is the True Crime to GT's GTA. F7 fans have to embrace its inferiority and hope that at some point on XSX the developers crack it for a game that really has a chance of approaching GT for graphical beauty. I care not about 4k.
"Let's discredit Digital Foundry in advance of the consoles coming out, in order to make it easier to discredit the factual game comparisons that they will make later."
_The Fanboy College
All that is as well, i mean, I'm not going to convince you either way.This seems like a flawed argument. At least in the comparisons made.
My knowledge is limited on game design, but having played both games F7's sense of speed seems better to me but I'm not sure if that includes the biggest difference between the two.
With F7, I get the sense that I'm directing a car around a track. A visual comparison at a stand still matters not to me... Especially something so fleeting as background textures which are impossible to extract detail from in the mere microseconds they're on screen for most of the time.
With GTS, I get the sense that the track is moving beneath a static image of a car. When I turn the car left, it feels as though that static image is rotated, and that it's the environment as a whole that is moving. I apologize for my lack of ability to accurately describe it. While I get that in reality, that racing games may be made actually doing what I just described, the ultimate goal however is to fool the user into believing that it's the car that's moving... Not the track. F7 does that, whereas GTS does not.
As to your last point? I also largely disagree. See, when you try and shoehorn one small aspect into an overall suggestion that one game is superior to another, it usually doesn't work, and this is no different.
What really needs to be embraced here is reality. While GTS may indeed be graphically superior to F7 in some aspects, it doesn't do so across the board. Even if it's not as good in some very specific graphical areas, the two are very close, and aptly comparable. What's not even remotely close, and almost not comparable at all due to such a large disparity is everything else. Car count, track count, weather, etc... How you compare F7 to True Crime when it's most obvious shortcoming vs GTA is the overall size and variety of the game is silly. True Crime was a chopped down version of GTA that while might be comparable graphically... It wasn't even close to comparable in the overall scope of content and scale. So in fact, it's GTS that is plays the role of True Crime here, while F7 enjoys the position of being GTA.
Your last paragraph is almost laughable. If F7 fans have to embrace it's inferiority, then hopefully they manage to do so while playing with more cars, with more tracks, with better physics, and in the beauty of 4k. Your lack of care for 4k doesn't change the fact that overall F7 is simply superior to GTS... Not inferior. For your sake, let's hope that Polyphony can perform better, and crack it for a game that really has a chance at approaching F7 in Graphics, content, variety, and not to mention review scores.
This would be an interesting point if people hadn't been complaining about this bias long before we knew which console had better specs.
An interesting point it shall be then. Seeing as the complaining started started shortly after one consoles specs became superior to the others.
All that is as well, i mean, I'm not going to convince you either way.
My point with my posts has been, must be, that digital foundry test my devotion when they put out videos that try to balance out the consoles. Disagree with my points if you will, but looking at my original post in this discussion (second post on the thread i believe) i am looking through That DF video and finding side by side comparisons that do not match up with what the guy is saying at the time.
Halo Infinite is not a refined lighting engine away from looking great. "It looks flat" was never the core complaint of people watching that video - but it is the only component the DF guy focuses on.
In the GT vs F7 video, the same guy repeatedly tries to frame the video as a comparison of two graphically comparable games, despite showing footage (F7 in max settings on a PC) that doesn't bear it out. This is disingenuous on the part of that reviewer.
But I still watch DF videos with huge appetite.
Somewhere in this thread I've already said that GT appears flat slow, which is why i don't play much GT in my personal gaming life. F7 may be more exhilarating, that's not the point I'm contesting in this thread.
That's... not true... I was involved in a thread last October over their analysis of Gears 5, for instance. I personally know for a fact they have been getting lots of flak here long before this goalpost you've set up, and that's besides the point of whether or not it's DESERVED. So, don't assume I'm arguing that.
Sorry fella, but it is true. The goalpost you're referring to is your own, but of course I could be wrong. When did DF start widely catching flak here?
They literally always have.
While it could be my memory, I don't recall there always being this much criticism of DF for being biased towards MS. While I'm sure there have been random posts saying as much since day one, on a wide scale it seems to only be more recently that they've been widely accused of it.
The truth is it happens in spurts, not every video they do is going to trigger these reactions but some will, that's why I pointed to their Gears 5 analysis as that spawned a huge thread that drew the attention of John himself to the discussion/argument. I even had a PM session with him over it, personally and a person making Youtube videos critical of DF's analysis, King Thrash Gaming, also participated in the thread and made counter videos to arguments IN THAT THREAD. I would say that's all pretty huge. This thread's existence is due to someone ASKING why people have problems with DF, it wasn't begun by someone with a problem and in the asking you invite more scrutiny and explanations.
That's a perfectly reasonable explanation. However, I can't seem to remember any triggered reactions prior to that Gears 5 analysis. Were there obvious examples of bias towards MS before that?
My guy look, they used Photomode to compare them both. GTS in photomode is enhanced like crazy, think it as a pc ultra mode on its own (but you can't play in that mode). They are using a enhanced version of tracks and cars when they compare them wich you don't have a issue with but you are complaining about them for using pc mode wich is the best version of the game.All that is as well, i mean, I'm not going to convince you either way.
My point with my posts has been, must be, that digital foundry test my devotion when they put out videos that try to balance out the consoles. Disagree with my points if you will, but looking at my original post in this discussion (second post on the thread i believe) i am looking through That DF video and finding side by side comparisons that do not match up with what the guy is saying at the time.
Halo Infinite is not a refined lighting engine away from looking great. "It looks flat" was never the core complaint of people watching that video - but it is the only component the DF guy focuses on.
In the GT vs F7 video, the same guy repeatedly tries to frame the video as a comparison of two graphically comparable games, despite showing footage (F7 in max settings on a PC) that doesn't bear it out. This is disingenuous on the part of that reviewer.
But I still watch DF videos with huge appetite.
Somewhere in this thread I've already said that GT appears flat slow, which is why i don't play much GT in my personal gaming life. F7 may be more exhilarating, that's not the point I'm contesting in this thread.
Edit: i acknowledge that i lost the thread of my original post when i started with the True Crime stuff. I'll be more consistent in future.