This is not correct Wentworth came out when his carrier was in downfall, that is why he finally was able to come out.If you are a young half way good looking white dude in Hollywood, people will fall over themselves to give you a shot.
But a minority or a woman you get half a shot. Minority women get less.
Wentworth fucked around and said he was gay and half black, dude disappeared for 10 years
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When Will a Black Actor Get to Have Their Deadpool Moment?
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Dreams-Visions
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To US, fam.
Outside of us, opinions tend to not be so high. Look at their IMDB ratings and prepare to be disappointed in humanity.
Look at this shit, fam
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097481/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094898/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123964/
I won't look up any more of them because I'll get mad.
FunkyPajamas
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Jesus, I didn't watch that. Terrible reviews, plus I can't stand Mila Kunis.
Some times the majority is just wrong.
CrichtonKicks
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He has had success with things like Dear John and Step Up.
And I don't know exactly what genre to assign Magic Mike to. It's basically equal parts comedy and drama.
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Mostly because it's luck Deadpool even got off the ground, Fox slashed the budget constantly and had no Faith in it and the dude spent 10 years campaigning for it. The fact he was white helped him get the whole thing green lit but under that set of extreme and lucky circumstances it's not inconcieable a black person could do the same. There are in fact major bankable black stars and have been for decades.
Deadppol was a fluke in and if itself it's not easily replicatable even by other white actors. Something like Robert Downy Jr getting iron man is. Even Deadpool works if you compare it to any other minority.
TheMan
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SLJ is Samuel L Jackson.
Outside of some gorgeous VFX and interesting world-building, Tatum and Bean were the only redeeming factors in that movie.
Mila Kunis tried...but she's just...not a good actress.
I think what this sloppily written piece is trying to say is that mediocre white actors get mediocre work easier than mediocre black actors, thus allowing mediocre white actors to stay in the public consciousness for long enough that they can eventually have a hit.
I think trying to use Deadpool to prove a point but the Deadpool thing doesn't really fit. Maybe they're saying Ryan Reynolds was only able to get Deadpool off the ground cause he was white?
I think the only good performance from Mila was in Black Swan.
FunkyPajamas
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I'll have to check Magic Mike then. I just checked the wikipedia page and had no idea about that movie. Thanks!
Oops, sorry, I'm an idiot.
Yeah, I usually avoid her movies. Might read about the world-building if it's cool though.
I think she's an okay actress, but she's best in comedies. She was good in Black Swan though.
RedAssedApe
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does jamie foxx count? he seems to keep going up and down
That 70's Show is still my favorite sitcom.
Honestly there are a million stories of tv actors on HUGE shows not being able to get anything substansial from Hollywood. Caruso jumps to mind
I agree with the thesis in the op, but this line doesnt do the argument any favors
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_/¯I think I don't understand the framework of this thread.
Bobby Roberts
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"Life" is interesting because it's one of those movies that I think got a critical re-appraisal almost as soon as it hit cable. I think people at the time didn't know what to make of Eddie & Martin in the film, and they certainly didn't know what to make of the movie sliding between tones the way it did. So they wrote it off as disjointed and uneven.
I mean, there's something to that, I guess, but I think it's more a matter of people realizing there's a vibe the film settles into that can (and does) make room for more tones than just the bawdy ha-ha's they were expecting. It's simply a matter of catching it, or leaving yourself open to it.
Maybe there's something about seeing it on a lazy Sunday afternoon on HBO that causes people to be more open? I dunno.
But I have a hard time finding people now who don't always go "Oh man, I love that movie" if they're even remotely familiar with it. I don't know if it was ahead of its time, or if people just didn't wanna accept the leads moving into emotional territory they weren't expecting, or what, but it definitely did not get the fairest of shakes in the theaters.
I mean, there's something to that, I guess, but I think it's more a matter of people realizing there's a vibe the film settles into that can (and does) make room for more tones than just the bawdy ha-ha's they were expecting. It's simply a matter of catching it, or leaving yourself open to it.
Maybe there's something about seeing it on a lazy Sunday afternoon on HBO that causes people to be more open? I dunno.
But I have a hard time finding people now who don't always go "Oh man, I love that movie" if they're even remotely familiar with it. I don't know if it was ahead of its time, or if people just didn't wanna accept the leads moving into emotional territory they weren't expecting, or what, but it definitely did not get the fairest of shakes in the theaters.
Eppy Thatcher
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While the article aint wrong about the lack of leading man roles and sustainability for black actors in hollywood I don't really like the idea of describing Deadpool and RR's relationship to the property the way they do. It kind of feels like they frame it as he just had to be mediocre forever until something/one came along and dropped a hit property on the next white guy and there ya have it...
dude kind of busted his ass to make the movie exactly what it is - and the fact that they pulled no punches and made a movie they wanted to make how they wanted to make it is what made it a success. He deserves the massive cred he is getting right now for that very reason.
dude kind of busted his ass to make the movie exactly what it is - and the fact that they pulled no punches and made a movie they wanted to make how they wanted to make it is what made it a success. He deserves the massive cred he is getting right now for that very reason.
ScatheZombie
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Excuse me, but clearly his breakout performance was Hold-Up Man in Coming to America in 1988.
FunkyPajamas
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I think so. He's got some movies that I like but didn't make a lot of money (The Kingdom, Jarhead), and he's had some terrible movies. There's also a Robin Hood movie coming where's he's playing Little John. I don't think that's going to be a good one.
To be the "next Ryan Reynolds" you need to be someone where there's obviously "something" there, but no one can figure out wtf to do with you (leading to bomb after bomb) until you take it into your own hands.
Rock is probably the closest thing, given that he kept doing those crappy family movies for a while until he switched agents and went into his current string of hits.
Rock is probably the closest thing, given that he kept doing those crappy family movies for a while until he switched agents and went into his current string of hits.
The Artisan
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when will a brown, Asian, or Hispanic actor have that moment too
Moff
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so wait, some people give examples of stars who were more or less well known once, made a bad movie and were never heard of again
but that's not what happened to reynolds is it? he was never a star before deadpool, right? he just had small roles up until deadpool, he worked his way up and finally got a lead in a movie that didn't suck and became popular. is this what we are looking for? or did I just never know about him before deadpool and he was a star before?
but that's not what happened to reynolds is it? he was never a star before deadpool, right? he just had small roles up until deadpool, he worked his way up and finally got a lead in a movie that didn't suck and became popular. is this what we are looking for? or did I just never know about him before deadpool and he was a star before?
BlazinSkatinAxel
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NipplesAndToes23
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Ahh, so they finally killed Glenn?
FunkyPajamas
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I loved The Rundown and Walking tall. Then he started doing comedies, and now it seems he's back to action (G.I Joe, Furious).
Frozenprince
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Ice Cube too but he's back into making shit family comedies again.
MilkyJoe
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Only for us special few!
Unspeakable Evil
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He was building steam and WB let him star in Green Lantern. I'd say he was a star before Deadpool.
edit: Derp forgot he was deadpool in Woleverine Origins
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He's always been notable but nowhere near A list. I mean 10 years ago if you adked around a lot of people would know who he is or have at least heard the name. Jame Foxx is in the same position. Dudes never had a break out but a lot of people know who he is.
ScatheZombie
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Ice Cube is still working on the first half of that equation.
He was probably the best part of Hail Caesar! and he was good in the Hateful Eight.
I guess we'll see what he can do as Gambit.
edit: oh and Magic Mike.
NEVER.
Because terrorism, small dicks and crime
Hollywood purgatory is fucking scary.
Remember this?
mrhyderager
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I think Idris Elba is, in terms of international success, a good example of this happening to a black man. His career only came to fruition more recently.
The Artisan
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=(NEVER.
Because terrorism, small dicks and crime
AlfonzoPalutena
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I mean, there's just a wide general gap in opportunity for white actors vs. black actors at all levels of stardom.
But when you get this specific with it, it seems to cease being a productive conversation. Half this thread is arguing semantics because this argument is so narrow and difficult to quantify on precise terms.
Was Ryan Reynolds building steam before Deadpool? Was his opportunity that rare? Was his career ever in the dumps? etc. etc. etc.
I think this is the wrong point to argue anyway. Reynolds comeback is sort of unprecedented and rare putting race aside anyway. Deadpool's success was weird and unexpected by Fox when they greenlit it.
But when you get this specific with it, it seems to cease being a productive conversation. Half this thread is arguing semantics because this argument is so narrow and difficult to quantify on precise terms.
Was Ryan Reynolds building steam before Deadpool? Was his opportunity that rare? Was his career ever in the dumps? etc. etc. etc.
I think this is the wrong point to argue anyway. Reynolds comeback is sort of unprecedented and rare putting race aside anyway. Deadpool's success was weird and unexpected by Fox when they greenlit it.
I doubt most people outside of US even know what a Samoan is.
Rastafarian42
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I remember when Ryan Reynolds commented on this when speaking about Michael B Jordan and the stench of FF at the the time. Gladly Creed was a huge success and he's on the better things.
cartographer
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Saying Reynolds isn't a good example because of something along the lines of "he knuckled down and worked hard" has some pretty gross implications in a discussion about minority actors not getting the same opportunities as white actors.
Privilege doesn't mean that Reynolds is free from having to work hard. It's not a denial of the work white people do. It's an acknowledgement that others have to do more to achieve similar results (if they are even achievable in the first place).
Privilege doesn't mean that Reynolds is free from having to work hard. It's not a denial of the work white people do. It's an acknowledgement that others have to do more to achieve similar results (if they are even achievable in the first place).
Bobby Roberts
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What the fuck is wrong with Vin Diesel's left arm.
That's that Trogdor workout
That's that Trogdor workout
UnemployedVillain
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Imagine how much it'll cost to CG his eyes being opened though!
NipplesAndToes23
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The stigma of being a black movie. I just looked up Poetic Justice and The Wood too out of curiosity and damn.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107840/?ref_=nv_sr_1
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0161100/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Dreams-Visions
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Yea Idris has been working in Hollywood for a very long time. He was a lead actor in The Wire, and was doing things well before then too.
Very happy he's getting a fair variety of opportunities, but even then...what was the last movie he was the lead in? Not a supporting actor like he was in Prometheus, Star Trek and Thor, but the actual man. The lead.
the shit is tragic, isn't it.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103859/
FUCK THIS SHIT.
The overall commentary is true about Hollywood opportunities, but Reynolds comeback isn't a good example. This is revisionist history. Deadpool was not thought to be a blockbuster, Reynolds basically worked for no salary, just a percentage, worked 11 years to get it made, and only finally got it greenlit because he intentionally leaked test footage to youtube.
It is not a story of a failed actor getting a second chance.
What did he mean by this?
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The black Ryan Reynolds is Tyrese
He needs a cbm already
He needs a cbm already
Didn't he go from bankable rom-coms like How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days and Failure to Launch to cheap critically acclaimed projects like The Lincoln Lawyer, Magic Mike and Dallas Buyers Club, one of which got him into Interstellar. So he worked his way back into casting eyes.
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It's the case the entire thing was a fluke and not something unachievable for the black actors which is what makes this exact comparison shaky. The arguement is so narrow it doesn't get the point across choosing both the both suçcessful minority in hollywood and a fluke incident that occurred to white actor. If you changed one of these points the arguement would work much better
NipplesAndToes23
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I guess they can't relate.
friskykillface
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