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Whispers On The Wind : The Official European Hardware Sales Thread

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CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
Scotch said:
UK = Xboxland
France = Nintendoland
Spain = Playstationland
Germany = PCland

Differences between some European markets are just as big as between say, USA and Japan.
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I know, anyone would think Europe was made up of a ton of different countries...
 
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Psychotext

Member
Hammer24 said:
Australia is PAL too, so technically.... :D
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I'm pleased really; I've always wanted to visit but the flight was too long. Now that it's in Europe it should only take a couple of hours.
 
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Chû Totoro

Member
Hope not posted yet.

In France and according to zdnet (wich claims to have those numbers from Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft themselves) :

Wii : 1M
PS2 : 5.5M
PS3 : 400k (new)
Xbox 360 : 500k (now confirmed)
Xbox : 750k

Numbers are from launch till early december.

Source zdnet
 
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electricpirate

Member
Thanks for posting this! kind of dispels my perceptions of Europe, being Sonyland with pockets of wii and true 360 hate. This perspective it's actually a very tight race in the continent, with each console taking some territories.
 
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Chû Totoro

Member
Captain Smoker said:
There are 4.000.000 till end of October:

http://www.jeuxvideo.fr/nintendo-ds-france-actu-88820.html


" [...] (source : Panel GFK Loisirs Interactifs, Janvier-Octobre 2007.) » "
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I don't know but the interview is from dec 14th and Gfk's data are from a panel so it could explain why there is a big gap. (Panel : 2500 shops for books, Videogames, CD and DVDs...).
I don't see why Nintendo would underestimate their sales ?
i'll try to find other sources so we can confirm one data or the other.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
This has shown that the 360 is leading worldwide over 5 million units over the 360, right?

Interesting that the PS3 and 360 userbases result in a negligible speaking purely about Europe and Japan. PS3 will definitely not overtake it worldwide unless it starts outselling it at a pace of 200k units worldwide per month, and that would still take 2 years to do at their current respective installed bases... right around when MS is probably going to start finalizing plans for their third XBox platform... :p
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Between The UK, France, Spain, Portugal and Germany, this would probably be some 90% of all Europe sales figures, right?

Hopefully most respective PAL territories will do some LTD sales figures for EOY 2007. :)
 
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Captain Smoker

Member
Numbers from New Zealand:


Code: 
Month		PS3		PS2		Xbox	         Gamecube	

Nov-06		0		->						
Dec-06		0		21.813						

Jan-07		0
Feb-07		0
Mar-07		4.835		1.567+ [*]					
Apr-07		->		->						
May-07		->		->						
Jun-07		->		->						
Jul-07		4.184		->						
Aug-07		->		->						
Sep-07		->		->						
Oct-07		4.322		31.144						
Nov-07		1.831		3.926						




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Total		15.172		436.637+	140.000	         10.000		

Yearly Totals
  2000		0		->		0	         0		
  2001  	0		->		0	         0		
  2002		0		->		->	         ->		
  2003		0		->		->	         ->		
  2004		0		->		->	         ->		
  2005		0		350.000	        140.000	         10.000
  2006		0		50.000						
  2007		15.172		36.637+
[*] = since 23.03.2007



Source is GfK.
 
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Phife Dawg

Member
AlteredBeast said:
Between The UK, France, Spain, Portugal and Germany, this would probably be some 90% of all Europe sales figures, right?

Hopefully most respective PAL territories will do some LTD sales figures for EOY 2007. :)
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Portugal has no place in that list. Replace it with Italy.
 
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Verve

Member
gaming market in germany according to this article by media control:

console gaming market grows by 30%

total revenue 2006: 429 million euro (630,655,740 US Dollar)
total revenue 2006: 554 million euro (814,413,240 US Dollar) (+29,1%)

games sold for...
DS: 5.1 million (32% share of the software market)
PS2: 5.5 million (35% share of the software market, going down from 5,9 million in 2006/-12%)
Wii: 7.5% share of the software market
X360: 6.0% share of the software market
PS3: 4.9% share of the software market

most sold games 2007:
1. dr. kawashimas gehirnjogging
2. dr. kawashima: mehr gehirn-jogging
...
5. fifa 08 (PS2)
6. wii play (highest ranked next-gen game, so spot 3 and 4 are neither for wii, x360 or ps2)

4th quarter was the strongest. software worth 239 million euro (351,344,340 US Dollar) was sold during the last 3 months of 2007. Q3: 112 million euro (164,646,720 US Dollar)

pc market declining:
2007 total revenue: 267 million euro (392,506,020 US Dollar) (-3,6% from 2006)
11.9 million software titles sold, 7.6% less than 2006

edit: oh....just read this thread is for HW only (man, it's even in the thread title, dumbass)... sorry.
but maybe interesting anyway..
 
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Captain Smoker

Member
I´ve created an Excel file for the european hardware data, you can download it here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/89167642/Monthly_Europe_Hardware_Sales.xlsx.html


A screenshot:
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Moonstone

Member
New German Hardware Sales were released.

Konzern entscheidet Weichnachtsgeschäft für sich - 50 Prozent Umsatzanteil im Gesamtjahr

München. Im Rennen um die Vorherrschaft auf dem Konsolenmarkt hat Nintendo die Konkurrenz im Weihnachtsgeschäft klar distanziert. Das berichtet €uro am Sonntag unter Berufung auf Zahlen der Gesellschaft für Konsumforschung (GfK) in seiner aktuellen Ausgabe. Danach verkaufte der japanische Unterhaltungskonzern allein im November und Dezember zusammen rund 339.000 Einheiten seiner Wii-Videokonsole. Dazu kommen weitere 653.000 Geräte der kleineren Nintendo DS (NDS). Damit war die mobile Konsole eines der begehrtesten Geschenke unter dem Weihnachtsbaum. Die Branche macht traditionell gut 40 Prozent ihres Umsatzes vor dem Fest.

Auf Rang 2 der Konsolenanbieter folgt Sony. Der japanische Elektronikriese setzte von seiner seit März 2007 verfügbaren Playstation 3 (PS3) vor Weihnachten rund 136.000 Einheiten ab. Dazu kommen weitere 184.000 Einheiten der älteren PS2. Microsoft kam mit seiner vor gut zwei Jahren gestarteten Xbox 360 zum Jahresende laut GfK auf gut 56.000 Einheiten. Die GfK deckt mit ihren Zahlen zum Konsolenmarkt gut 80 Prozent aller Vertriebskanäle ab. Die tatsächlichen Verkäufe liegen daher etwas höher.

Auch auf Gesamtjahressicht hat Nintendo das Rennen gemacht. Nach eigenen Angaben hat Nintendo 2007 hierzulande insgesamt 1,8 Millionen Nintendo DS sowie 675.000 Wii-Konsolen abgesetzt. Das entspricht zwei Drittel aller verkauften Geräte und über 50 Prozent des Hardwareumsatzes von rund einer Milliarde Euro. "2007 war ein neues Rekordjahr für uns", sagte Nintendo-Deutschland-Chef Bernd Fakesch der Wirtschaftszeitung. Es sei Nintendo gelungen, völlig neue Zielgruppen zu gewinnen.

Allerdings nimmt Sony mit seiner PS3 nach einem schleppenden Verkaufsstart inzwischen deutlich an Fahrt auf. Laut GfK hat der Konzern von März bis Dezember 2007 insgesamt 309.000 PS3 verkauft. Das ist mehr als doppelt so viel wie Microsoft mit seiner vergleichbaren Xbox 360 im gesamten Vorjahr geschafft hat.
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Source:
http://www.finanzen.net/eurams/eurams_exklusiv.asp?pkNewsNr=673748

The first part ist "christmas" sales which includes november and december.
The second part is LTD Numbers.

Since we have october LTD we can calculate LTD of the 360 which is missing in this article.

LTD October 2007:
Wii 389,000
Xbox360 328,000
PS3 172,000

Edit: Sorry I misread the article.
The last numbers about wii and nds are pr-numbers by Nintendo and not GFK data.

These are the gfk numbers:
ps3 309,000 YTD

xmas(nov+dec):
ps3 136,000
xbox360 56,000
wii 339,000
nds 653,000
ps2 184,000


October LTD +xmas sales =december 2007 LTD

ps3 308,000
xbox360 384,00
wii 728,000

So the 360 is still ahead of the ps3!
 
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Liabe Brave

Member
Moonstone said:
LTD October 2007:
Wii 389,000
Xbox360 328,000
PS3 172,000

--> LTD December 2007
wii: 653,000
ps3: 309,00
NDS:1800,00
xbox360: 384,00

So the 360 is still ahead of the ps3!
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The PS3 outsold the 360 better than 2:1 over the holidays?! Of course, like everywhere else on earth Wii dominated. But still, isn't this unexpectedly good performance for Sony?
 
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Lightning

Banned
Lightning said:
ITALY


Hardware January (31 December 2007at 3 February 2008)
1 DS: 64.500 (90%)
2 PS2: 59.000 (90%)
3 PSP: 40.000 (90%)
4 PS3: 37.000 (90%)
5 X360: 19.500 (90%)
4 WII: 9.000 (90%)

Hardware total Italy (3rd February 2008)
1 PS2: 5.080.500 (90%)
2 DS: 1.691.500 (90%)
3 PSP: 943.500 (90%)
4 PS3: 371.000 (90%)
5 X360: 318.500 (90%)
6 WII: 266.500 (90%)

www.gfk.it
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Shake Appeal

Member
Does anyone know if Ireland is included in 'UK' sales? Because if not, you are missing a considerable piece of the puzzle; we are traditionally huge buyers of consumer electronics and entertainment. At one point there were more PS2s per capita in Ireland than there were in Japan.
 
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besada

Banned
Dunno, but at a population of a little over 4 million, Ireland's a tenth the size of Spain. So even with heavy purchasing, it's not going to make a HUGE difference.
 
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Vagabundo

Member
Shake Appeal said:
Does anyone know if Ireland is included in 'UK' sales? Because if not, you are missing a considerable piece of the puzzle; we are traditionally huge buyers of consumer electronics and entertainment. At one point there were more PS2s per capita in Ireland than there were in Japan.
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POP Japan: ~128milion
POP Ireland (a nation once again): ~5million

I know there are loads of PS3 around in Ireland (a few mates have them), but they all have Wii's too and there are quite a few 360's (although the kids think the 360 is prehistoric). :D

In summary we are a small market and I dont think they include us in the UK hardware numbers above.
 
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Psychotext

Member
Yup, Ireland isn't included in the UK sales figures. But as has been previously stated, the population means you're unlikely to see them showing up much in press releases etc.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Funnily enough, some Irish PS3 numbers popped up today.

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single10782

Teji said that in addition to early adopters of Blu-ray players, over 110,000 Sony PlayStation3 games consoles have been sold in Ireland to date which come with Blu-ray capabilities.
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That's a pretty good figure. They passed a million in the UK not so long ago i.e. ~10x the Irish figure with ~15x the population.

Side note, but Sony are also running an offer in Ireland to get €150 off a Blu-ray player if you bring in a HD-DVD player. That's one idea I thought should be done everywhere after the war ended, although I guess it could be costly.
 
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Hammer24

Banned
How about you guys link to the respective articels, giving a source? Not that I don´t believe it, but this thread is for facts and not hearsay.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
This article is a little old, but has some data from Europe. Mix of hardware and software, from Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/technology/20...ves-tech-innovationeu08-cx_mji_0618games.html

According to IDG in 2007 PS2 apparently had something like a 47% share across Europe (hardware + software or just hardware, I'm not sure..), DS had 25%, Wii 7%, 360 5% .. no figure given for PS3.

Also mentioned Halo3 had sold 'just' 900k copies to date in Europe, compared to close than 5m in the US. There was also a discrepancy highlighted with CoD4, though not as extreme (1m sold in Europe vs 3m in the US).

Brain Training was the best selling game in Europe last year (2.8m units), Fifa 08 was second at 2.3m units.

On a topical note, seeing those numbers makes the MGS4 figures for the first week or two all the more impressive to me.
 
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Rolf NB

Member
From Screen Digest via Edge via mr_bishiuk (dedicated thread, please use it for debating this):
mr_bishiuk said:
This was not picked up in the september Edge magazine thread but Edge has an article about MS attempts to get a foothold in europe and the problems they face, anyway dotted around the article are 3 tables which when used together can be used to extrapolate the two consoles sales as at 31 December 07.

First of all at 31 Dec 07 in Continental Europe (ie not including the UK/Ireland) the first chart states that the 360 had sold 2.4m and the PS3 2.26m by that date.

Pie chart 1 states that 55% of european 360 sales of are in the UK/Ireland compared to 45% in the rest of europe giving a total figure at the end of december07 of 5.33m

Pie chart 2 states that 28% of PS3 sales are in the UK/Ireland compared to 72% in the rest of Europe meaning total PS3 sales in Europe of 3.14m

Therefore at the end of 2007 in Europe the 360 was beating the PS3 5.33m to 3.14m or rather a lead of 2.1m units according to the data Edge used (Screen Digest).
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Rolf NB

Member
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Moonstone

Member
The german gaming mag M! (formerly known as maniac) has a chart for german hardware sales from 01-11/2008 in its latest issue. They do not name the source and you can't really read out exact numbers from it.

numbers are:

ps3 390k
360 280k
wii 660k
ps2 240k
psp 240k
ds 1200k
 
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Dascu

Member
There's some news on Belgian console sales in 2008:
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/de.redactie/cultuur+en+media/090115Spelconsoles
Translation said:
Last year 859.700 gaming consoles have been sold in our country. That's a third more than in 2007 and an all-time record.

Front-runner was the Nintendo Wii. Worldwide there have been about 46 million sales, 17 million of which in Europe.

Microsoft's Xbox360 and the Playstation 3 are doing less well, with respectively 10.6 and 9 million consoles sold in Europe.

Manufacturers haven't released the exact sales numbers for our country, but they would be in trend with European sales. It's the second year in a row that the Wii has sold best.
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They don't cite further sources.
 
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Tntnnbltn

Member
Over the past few weeks, both Nintendo and Microsoft have disclosed their Australian hardware sales figures for 2008, with Sony the only one who has kept quiet. Sony Computer Entertainment Australia's silence has finally broken, with figures released today showing the company sold 213,000 PlayStation 3's last year, with a total down under install-base now of 460,000 units, according to industry trackers GfK Australia.

Not all of the 460,000 PS3s were sold, however, with the total install-base figure including 70,000 PS3s that Sony gave away during its Bravia LCD promotion.

In comparison, Sony's two rivals--Microsoft and Nintendo--have sold over 537,000 and one million units of their next-gen consoles down under, respectively.

While PS3 wasn't the victor in hardware sales, the three current PlayStation platforms (PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable) managed to have an impressive year in software sales. In total, 42 per cent of all software sold during 2008 was on one of the three PS consoles.

In a press release, Michael Ephraim, managing director of SCE Australia & New Zealand, said that almost 50 per cent of Aussie PS3 owners have embraced the console's online functionality. Interestingly, this number is lower than Aussie Xbox Live adoption amongst 360 owners, which Microsoft claim to be over 50 per cent.

Consistent with last year’s boom in the "family games" category, the SingStar franchise saw a 47 per cent increase in sales, with the latest game in the franchise--SingStar ABBA--selling 92,000 units in the six weeks leading up to Christmas across the PS2 and PS3.

While the focus of today's announcement was primarily on the PS3, Sony also updated its figures for the PS2 and PSP. Over its nine years of sales, the PS2 still holds strong to its title of best-selling console down under, boasting 2.4 million consoles in Australian households. The PSP, on the other hand, has sold just over half a million.
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- http://au.gamespot.com/news/6204161.html
 
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Moonstone

Member
Sony Computer Entertainment Germany announced:

1 million PS3 LTD
5.8 million PS2 LTD
500k PS2 YTD 2008

Source: Gamefront.de
 
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Shiggy

Member
Moonstone said:
Sony Computer Entertainment Germany announced:

1 million PS3 LTD
5.8 million PS2 LTD
500k PS2 YTD 2008

Source: Gamefront.de
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Isn't this a thread for 'sold-through' numbers? :D
 
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DarkMehm

Member
Shiggy said:
Isn't this a thread for 'sold-through' numbers? :D
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That PS3 figure is sold-through, as the one millionth system was sold in a MediaMarkt at the end of January. Don't ask me though how they exactly knew which system was the millionth.
 
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