Lionheart1337
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White UCLA student rants on Asian students.
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Lionheart1337
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its all a part of her master plan to become a porn star.
she got like 2 million views, surely someone in the industry has seen it and will contact her shortly.
she got like 2 million views, surely someone in the industry has seen it and will contact her shortly.
BoobPhysics101
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Probably already been posted, but this guy is talented as hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zulEMWj3sVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zulEMWj3sVA
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409478dabig2 said:
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
OuterWorldVoice said:
comedians do it all the time, but its somehow "OKAY" for them to do it. If you get offended over what this girl says (who, by the way, is no one you should really be paying attention to in the first place), you really need to chill out.
I'm not defending this girl's actions by any means. I'm just saying that this barely constitutes as racism, and people like to blow things out of proportion. She wasn't saying to kill them or expel them.
she's basically just targeted this rant towards asians, and if she hadn't, no one would have even cared then.
But the real thing that she is saying in her video is not just a problem with "Asians" its a problem with "PEOPLE" and the SOCIETY... people shouldnt be talking in the library with their cell phones and yadda yadda yadda. I more or less agree with what she is saying other than the fact that she's pointing directly at "Asians in general."
People are fuckin' rude. Its a societal problem, and in this girl's case, she sees a lot of Asians that exhibit this behavior. So she made a video about it, and now people are calling her a racist because of it, and I really don't understand why she's getting her video played on CNN
KidGalactus said:
And that's her problem to work out on her own. Who knows, maybe she's a card-carrying KKK member. What a racist bitch, yadda yadda yadda. Is that what you want to hear?
I'm not going to "shut my face" just because you've made up your mind about this video. There are multiple layers to analyze here, the most astounding being the reaction to this stupid girl's stupid video, when we have rap songs everyday saying the n word playing on the radio, and comedians imitating asian languages in the exact same way.
And yes, context is important. You can argue that comedians are trying to make you think about racism so that it stops, and you can say rap songs are art when they're saying the n word over and over.
This girl thought it prudent enough to express herself in video form, and to her, it was probably something she was proud of when she made it. Maybe she didn't actually mean for it to be racist. Tomorrow she could make a video saying "haha guys it was a joke, buy my comedy CD" then all of a sudden it'd be ok? I guess it would be then, since in the context, it would be a joke.
so before you tell me to shut my face about what you seem to see as "prejudiced racism" take a look at the big picture, and the many elements of it:
1. the girl herself
2. the girl's act of creating and displaying the video
3. the world's reaction to this video
3a. the world calling her a racist for lukewarm racist remarks (there's a lot worse out there on youtube, i'm sure)
4. people going back and making videos making fun of her, "embracing" the racist remarks that she says by putting them into song form -- BUT OH ITS FUNNY CAUSE ITS A SONG AND ITS AN ASIAN GUY SINGING IT! Like, that makes it any better? How come that guy isn't being called a racist?
and try to realize why all these things are happening.
I was sick of this whole thing the second I heard people actually distributing the video to a wider and wider audience so that everyone could see it. This will be yesterday's news by next week, fortunately.
DryEyeRelief
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davepoobond said:
Are you Asian?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
DryEyeRelief said:
no
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Salazar said:
but you dont see widespread reactions to it. you dont see CNN playing it or morning radio hosts talking about it as if it is something worth talking about
I suppose it's okay so long as no one dies. I'll keep that in mind when someone calls me a gook or a chink in the future.davepoobond said:
CHINGCHONGLINGLONG still kinda hurts, to be honest. I'm not the most eloquent motherfucker on the block, but I speak decent English. I think.
DryEyeRelief
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davepoobond said:
I wouldn't argue about context if you don't even understand it.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Salazar said:
call it what you will. but those sources have more pull than you do.
Dresden said:
there's a difference between having it called in your face and watching a video. If you can't tell the difference, I don't know what to say. The video is just that -- a video. It is an impersonal form of communication, and not directed at any one person by name.
DryEyeRelief said:
what the hell is that supposed to mean? You're saying i have to be Asian to understand racism against Asians?
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
The issue that comes about when Asian-Americans have to confront issues of racism are twofold, one from other communities of color, and the other from American society in general.
From communities of color, often racism against Asian-Americans is not seen as valid, or not as extreme because there has never been the stigma violence behind it, or it is simply seen as "not as bad" as what has happened to other groups. But Asians in the United States have been the victims of anti-miscegenation laws, laws that prevented them from owning property or even large bills such as the Chinese exclusion act. As far as direct violence, the history of anti-Chinese lynchings in cities such as Denver and San Francisco are often over looked. Even modern day incidents, such as the murder of Vincent Chin are seen more as exceptions to racism/violence against Asians-Americans rather than a overall trend.
Also, the model minority issues often pits Asian-Americans against other ethnic groups. American society holds up Asian-Americans as an example of how an immigrant experience and how people of color have as much opportunity as other groups, which is simply not true. There are a variety of factors of why Asian immigration, especially since 1965 has been considered "successful" in comparison to the experience of other people of color in the United States. "Hey, if the Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese can come over and in one generation get their kids in college, whats going on black/latinos?" So within those communities, there is resentment towards Asian-Americans because it is perceived that Asian-Americans have it much easier, or "the good minorities."
Part of it Asian-America has done to itself. We have certainly pigeon-holed ourselves into that model minority role, because, its a pretty attractive place to be. Who doesn't want to be seen as smart, successful and relatively non-threatening? That role also supports the belief that America is a meritocracy. Asian-Americans keep their heads down, study hard, make money and achieve the "American Dream." Why wouldn't popular American society hold up that sort of work ethic, and success rate to demonstrate the best of what America can be?
That leads into the other part of why allegations and issues of racism that Asian-Americans bring up are delegitimized by both white people and other people of color. The great influx of Asian-Americans into the United States occurred after 1965. This was while the civil rights movement was growing and becoming a great social movement in the United States. For the most part, Asian-Americans were in 3 places, the West Coast, New York and Hawaii. Since the population was not spread out nationally the same way the African-American, and to a lesser extent, the Latino population, the face of Asian-America was largely absent from the civil rights struggle. So when Asian immigrants arrived, there was a perception that they thrived due to the social changes that were made. And often seen as benefitting without paying their "dues."
So one one hand, you have the communities of color, which endured incredible oppression and institutional racism to get place at the starting line, get "passed" by a recent immigrant group. And on the other hand, you have a greater American society that says, "Hey, we made these changes, and this one group is doing really well. Why are the rest of your still complaining?" It put Asian-Americans in an unenviable place in American racial politics.
So you have a group of immigrants in the United States, which is slowly dwarfing the population of 2nd, 3rd and even 4th generation Asian-Americans of Chinese and Japanese origin. Many of the immigrants are from countries, from which the US has military involvement with. So for 2 entire generations of Americans, Asians are seen as the "other." Whether that means easily identifiable foreigners, or potentially former enemies. And this generation of Americans have recently "gotten over" their own immigrant experience, where they are now truly feeling an ownership of America, and now consider themselves "American." The perpetual "other"-ness of Asians in America allows casual discrimination or institutional racism to be more socially acceptable. As in, "Why worry, those people don't even speak English, and I probably fought against them during the war."
So Asian-Americans, when they do have legitimate issues of racism and discrimination that face them, get reactions of, "Its not that bad, especially if you consider what has happened to African-Americans or Latinos." And this argument is especially prevalent in Southern California. Or, because Asian-Americans are still a growing group with no solid definition, as in we have 5th generation Asian-American as well as people who immigrated 3 months ago, America still treats us as "the other," and is dismissive of our issues.
And the reaction for a long time was, "Keep your head down, study hard, make money and Americans will respect you." But there are generations of Asian-Americans, who have read Ron Takaki, Maxine Hong-Kingston, Helen Zia, Carlos Bulosan, Frank Chin, Urvashi Viad, Frank Wu, David Henry Hwang, etc. who want a voice in American politics, and want to have a more active role for Asian-Americans politically and socially. The want you to remember the internment and Vincent Chin, they want you to know how fucked up it is when NBC Sports runs headlines like "Michelle Kwan Beaten By American Lipinski." When those voices are raised, people don't want to hear them. There are a lot of reasons for that. But because Asian-American issues have constantly be delegitimized, or marginalized by American society, or other communities of color, we are forced to elevate these incidents which affect our community.
With Barack Obama being President, Asian-Americans are thrilled. Like how Bill Clinton was the first "black" president. Barack Obama, is the first Asian-American president in many ways. He was raised in Hawaii and Asia, his sister is half-Indonesian, brother in law is Vietnamese, his life story, to Asian-Americans, mirrosr our experiences very well. It is that sort of inspiration which is fueling greater Asian-American involvement in social and political issues. The reaction to the UCLA Youtube girl isn't a flash in the pan, it is an indicator of the greater role Asian-Americans are willing to take in this country.
And I've gone on too long.
From communities of color, often racism against Asian-Americans is not seen as valid, or not as extreme because there has never been the stigma violence behind it, or it is simply seen as "not as bad" as what has happened to other groups. But Asians in the United States have been the victims of anti-miscegenation laws, laws that prevented them from owning property or even large bills such as the Chinese exclusion act. As far as direct violence, the history of anti-Chinese lynchings in cities such as Denver and San Francisco are often over looked. Even modern day incidents, such as the murder of Vincent Chin are seen more as exceptions to racism/violence against Asians-Americans rather than a overall trend.
Also, the model minority issues often pits Asian-Americans against other ethnic groups. American society holds up Asian-Americans as an example of how an immigrant experience and how people of color have as much opportunity as other groups, which is simply not true. There are a variety of factors of why Asian immigration, especially since 1965 has been considered "successful" in comparison to the experience of other people of color in the United States. "Hey, if the Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese can come over and in one generation get their kids in college, whats going on black/latinos?" So within those communities, there is resentment towards Asian-Americans because it is perceived that Asian-Americans have it much easier, or "the good minorities."
Part of it Asian-America has done to itself. We have certainly pigeon-holed ourselves into that model minority role, because, its a pretty attractive place to be. Who doesn't want to be seen as smart, successful and relatively non-threatening? That role also supports the belief that America is a meritocracy. Asian-Americans keep their heads down, study hard, make money and achieve the "American Dream." Why wouldn't popular American society hold up that sort of work ethic, and success rate to demonstrate the best of what America can be?
That leads into the other part of why allegations and issues of racism that Asian-Americans bring up are delegitimized by both white people and other people of color. The great influx of Asian-Americans into the United States occurred after 1965. This was while the civil rights movement was growing and becoming a great social movement in the United States. For the most part, Asian-Americans were in 3 places, the West Coast, New York and Hawaii. Since the population was not spread out nationally the same way the African-American, and to a lesser extent, the Latino population, the face of Asian-America was largely absent from the civil rights struggle. So when Asian immigrants arrived, there was a perception that they thrived due to the social changes that were made. And often seen as benefitting without paying their "dues."
So one one hand, you have the communities of color, which endured incredible oppression and institutional racism to get place at the starting line, get "passed" by a recent immigrant group. And on the other hand, you have a greater American society that says, "Hey, we made these changes, and this one group is doing really well. Why are the rest of your still complaining?" It put Asian-Americans in an unenviable place in American racial politics.
So you have a group of immigrants in the United States, which is slowly dwarfing the population of 2nd, 3rd and even 4th generation Asian-Americans of Chinese and Japanese origin. Many of the immigrants are from countries, from which the US has military involvement with. So for 2 entire generations of Americans, Asians are seen as the "other." Whether that means easily identifiable foreigners, or potentially former enemies. And this generation of Americans have recently "gotten over" their own immigrant experience, where they are now truly feeling an ownership of America, and now consider themselves "American." The perpetual "other"-ness of Asians in America allows casual discrimination or institutional racism to be more socially acceptable. As in, "Why worry, those people don't even speak English, and I probably fought against them during the war."
So Asian-Americans, when they do have legitimate issues of racism and discrimination that face them, get reactions of, "Its not that bad, especially if you consider what has happened to African-Americans or Latinos." And this argument is especially prevalent in Southern California. Or, because Asian-Americans are still a growing group with no solid definition, as in we have 5th generation Asian-American as well as people who immigrated 3 months ago, America still treats us as "the other," and is dismissive of our issues.
And the reaction for a long time was, "Keep your head down, study hard, make money and Americans will respect you." But there are generations of Asian-Americans, who have read Ron Takaki, Maxine Hong-Kingston, Helen Zia, Carlos Bulosan, Frank Chin, Urvashi Viad, Frank Wu, David Henry Hwang, etc. who want a voice in American politics, and want to have a more active role for Asian-Americans politically and socially. The want you to remember the internment and Vincent Chin, they want you to know how fucked up it is when NBC Sports runs headlines like "Michelle Kwan Beaten By American Lipinski." When those voices are raised, people don't want to hear them. There are a lot of reasons for that. But because Asian-American issues have constantly be delegitimized, or marginalized by American society, or other communities of color, we are forced to elevate these incidents which affect our community.
With Barack Obama being President, Asian-Americans are thrilled. Like how Bill Clinton was the first "black" president. Barack Obama, is the first Asian-American president in many ways. He was raised in Hawaii and Asia, his sister is half-Indonesian, brother in law is Vietnamese, his life story, to Asian-Americans, mirrosr our experiences very well. It is that sort of inspiration which is fueling greater Asian-American involvement in social and political issues. The reaction to the UCLA Youtube girl isn't a flash in the pan, it is an indicator of the greater role Asian-Americans are willing to take in this country.
And I've gone on too long.
davepoobond said:
Well yeah. Conversational (which is to say social) or argumentative reciprocity is one of the better (if fallible, to be sure) assurances of decency we have. Its absence and rejection is what makes propaganda to some degree intrinsically offensive. It's not ludicrous to be offended in a general and mild form by someone blithering into cyberspace and sayingor as good as saying"I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks".
Vincent Alexander
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Best response video everBoobPhysics101 said:
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
davepoobond said:
Nope. There is no difference.
It is a record of the physical manifestation of prejudice against Asians and Asian-Americans. The lack of personal direction makes it worse, because Asian-Americans can't say, "Oh, they are talking about Ryan Chan, that motherfucker doesn't shut up in the library." We collectively become part of that group she is addressing.
If you don't want to accept that, or don't understand it, that's fine. But you can't say that Asian-Americans aren't allowed to be affected by that.
DryEyeRelief
Member
davepoobond said:
No, but with that post of yours, you, as an individual, sure as hell don't.
I don't even think you understand what racism against anyone is.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
The reaction to the video, is Asian-Americans and others saying that it is unacceptable, hurtful and prejudiced. And that sort of behavior has no place in America. It is hurtful, to entire generations of Asian-Americans.
If you think its not, its fine.
But maybe Asian-Americans and our allies, don't want to fucking puss out like the Welsh, and would prefer to stand up for ourselves.
If you think its not, its fine.
But maybe Asian-Americans and our allies, don't want to fucking puss out like the Welsh, and would prefer to stand up for ourselves.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
SmokyDave said:
Oops. Davepoo isn't Welsh?
Well damn, that certainly takes the wind and bravado out of my invectives, huh?
Silphonica
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Watched the original, got as far as "deep into my studying". Paused the video, went to check this topic saw the music response and at the start she says "When i'm about to reach an epiphany....", I then paused the music response.
I burst out laughing, that's all I needed.
Edit:
Thats the scottish lion rampant, nothing to do with wales.
I burst out laughing, that's all I needed.
Edit:
Thats the scottish lion rampant, nothing to do with wales.
Look Dave, I really don't understand why you are so riled up that some people call her a racist, then let's not judge her by a label, but her actions.
What she essentially accomplished, however, is prejudice based on race, as if UCLA was doing her a disfavor by allowing "hordes of Asians" into the university and somehow a lack of her "American" upbringing and manners was the cause for cultural differences. We are American, and yet somehow not. I don't know if you have ever felt what it is to be a minority, in school, at work, and even in the TV you watch or the games you play. You become aware of your difference, and thus conscious of your acceptance.
Of course if she hadn't directed her rant against Asians, nobody would care. It is precisely she ignorantly called out and ostracized an ethnicity that it would warrant such response. Yeah, THE problem is with people and society, but HER problem is that she incorrectly associated them with race. Unfortunate as it is to say, she reminds Asians that there are still many whites in the United States that thinks as she does, and would find no acceptance among them.
What she essentially accomplished, however, is prejudice based on race, as if UCLA was doing her a disfavor by allowing "hordes of Asians" into the university and somehow a lack of her "American" upbringing and manners was the cause for cultural differences. We are American, and yet somehow not. I don't know if you have ever felt what it is to be a minority, in school, at work, and even in the TV you watch or the games you play. You become aware of your difference, and thus conscious of your acceptance.
Of course if she hadn't directed her rant against Asians, nobody would care. It is precisely she ignorantly called out and ostracized an ethnicity that it would warrant such response. Yeah, THE problem is with people and society, but HER problem is that she incorrectly associated them with race. Unfortunate as it is to say, she reminds Asians that there are still many whites in the United States that thinks as she does, and would find no acceptance among them.
Silphonica
Banned
Salazar said:
I'm in Scotland. Feel free. Or should I say "Come at me bro"?
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Soneet said:
White Knightingtonging
Silphonica
Banned
Salazar said:
Oh ho ho, haven't heard that one before.
All I'm gonna say is i'm proud to be Scottish.... because of my accent.
Chuckie
Member
Soru said:
It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low, the scum of the fucking earth, the most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization.
Some people hate the English, I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can't even find a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes.
It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Soru! And all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
rance said:
Hmm...Depends how you lol.
Like, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....oh man. Funny. But fucked up." Yeah. OK.
Or, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Japanese Internment was cool." You are a disgrasian.
FlyingTeacup
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Alucrid said:
me love you long long time?
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