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That's only because Reed Richards and Victor von Doom haven't theorized on him yet.
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Who's the weakest DC/Marvel character that can stomp Dr. Manhattan?
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That's only because Reed Richards and Victor von Doom haven't theorized on him yet.
Depends on the writer. Howard the Duck could stomp Dr. Manhattan given the right story. Would probably Quack-Fu the shit out of him.
Man, Prof Hulk was the best.
It sometimes gets ridiculous, but I can't hate it after hearing Peter David talk about how it inspired one of his best random encounter Hulk fights.
It was a result of people asking whether Hulk or Punisher would win in a fight. It ended like this:
After that, I say the more ridiculous, the better. It might make it into print someday.
Man, Prof Hulk was the best.
Marv.
In all seriousness, IF Dr. Manhattan was affected by tachyons, wouldn't that effectively make him utterly invincible. He has no qualms/Dr. Who shit to prevent him from changing the future, so he could simply avoid someone like Doom or Thor forever. He reminds me of the Tramalfadorians sans apathy.
In all seriousness, IF Dr. Manhattan was affected by tachyons, wouldn't that effectively make him utterly invincible. He has no qualms/Dr. Who shit to prevent him from changing the future, so he could simply avoid someone like Doom or Thor forever. He reminds me of the Tramalfadorians sans apathy.
It doesn't seem to work that way. He knew exactly what people were going to say and then was surprised when they said it. He only reacts to things once they have already occurred, his knowledge of his own timeline wouldn't change his actions. He could be well aware that Doom is about to kick his blue wanger and yet would go through the motions anyways. He has no control over his destiny, for him it is already written. Knowing something will happen to him means he cannot stop it.
That's the thing about Dr. Manhattan though, is he slave to that outcome due to his inhabiting and existing in all times, past, present and future. Or does he simply not see a reason to deviate form that path, is he is that detached from the world and humanity that he no longer sees a reason do things any differently than they will occur despite his ability to do so. And would his demise alter that determinism, if in fact he can die.
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To those saying that people like Thor, Surfer, etc have such control over the atoms of their body that they could withstand a Dr. M attack, that always struck me as the kind of thing that wouldn't really matter against Manhattan. Like Manhattan's control over matter and energy is closer to The One Above All than it is to Thor.
TheKaeptain
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Iceman is unstoppable.
I can think of one.
How do you make eye contact with that?
Also I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about comics as many here, but why is the arena constantly being considered the Marvel Universe or any other than normal(ish) earth where Watchmen take place? If we give the Doc. home field advantage there should be no hell, no magic or any of that to deal with. Everything would have to follow the laws of physics which he has control over.
Is he? He seemed kind of worn out in one of the battles in the Amazing X-Men.
I can think of one.
How do you make eye contact with that?
Also I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about comics as many here, but why is the arena constantly being considered the Marvel Universe or any other than normal(ish) earth where Watchmen take place? If we give the Doc. home field advantage there should be no hell, no magic or any of that to deal with. Everything would have to follow the laws of physics which he has control over.
Well, I guess they're all fictional characters, so everyone's abilities are fair game.
He has the potential to be, but Bobby is a lazy bastard that's wasting his powers away.
I can think of one.
How do you make eye contact with that?
Also I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about comics as many here, but why is the arena constantly being considered the Marvel Universe or any other than normal(ish) earth where Watchmen take place? If we give the Doc. home field advantage there should be no hell, no magic or any of that to deal with. Everything would have to follow the laws of physics which he has control over.
Well let's also be real, all you need to do is give Reed Richards a credit card, drop him off at Radio Shack and give him five minutes to cobble something together.
What's stopping Dr. Manhattan from making Richards a fantastic splatter on the wall?
neurosisxeno
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He's one of the few Omega Level mutants. The problem is he never realizes his full potential. He thinks for quite some time he can only control ice/water within himself, but in fact he's hydrokinetic and if I recall can "regrow" himself as long as a single atom remains.
Fate. Dr Manhattan is basically bound by it, he could have stopped the entire evil plot in Watchmen if he had wanted to. He didn't because he won't do shit until he has to. He's not going to do anything before Reed shows up to stomp him with an Ultimate Nullifier made from scrap parts and glue or whatever other insane shit he comes up with.
Kitschkraft
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He made it pretty clear in the movie that he wouldn't even be able to stop Russia and the US from destroying each other with nukes. Think he said "I can't stop them all".
That seems to be a clear ceiling to his feats, coming from his own mouth.
Which Marvel/DC characters have the ability to stop Cold War Russia/US from destroying the planet? Manhattan's explanation was pretty practical and partially quantitative...he simply can't stop every single (of what I'm assuming are thousands) nuke. Who can?
This perspective is interesting to me, because I have to assume that there are plenty of people in the comic-sphere that would have done more to end that conflict.
Of course, from what I understand, the Cold War still happened in MU (But with 1000's more super heros running around).
Edit : Of course, destroying earth doesn't destroy (Or, seemingly even bother too much) him. So maybe that's a different question than the OP.
That seems to be a clear ceiling to his feats, coming from his own mouth.
Which Marvel/DC characters have the ability to stop Cold War Russia/US from destroying the planet? Manhattan's explanation was pretty practical and partially quantitative...he simply can't stop every single (of what I'm assuming are thousands) nuke. Who can?
This perspective is interesting to me, because I have to assume that there are plenty of people in the comic-sphere that would have done more to end that conflict.
Of course, from what I understand, the Cold War still happened in MU (But with 1000's more super heros running around).
Edit : Of course, destroying earth doesn't destroy (Or, seemingly even bother too much) him. So maybe that's a different question than the OP.
Reed Richards, so long as you don't just lock him in an empty room and give him stuff to build with.
unholyrevenger72
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He's too lazy to be unstoppable
Also the only correct answer is Monarch (the Evil Captain Atom that absorbed all the other Captain Atoms of the multiverse)
Dude's literally one bad day away from taking over the goddamn universe. Every Reed Richards from every other dimension already did that, then they all came together to rule all the universes together and fix everything.
He's the only human Galactus respects. He hands Doom L's on a regular basis. He's got a building full of planet destroying anti-matter bombs that he made with Black Panther so that they can blow up Earths from other dimensions, which they do pretty regularly. He also read Foundation when he was 12 and liked the idea of psychohistory so much that he invented it. He also made a window so he could see how every other universe solved their problems so he would have enough data to figure out the best solution. He's got a room of weapons that make super advanced alien species wet their pants and want nothing to do with him, which is like 99% of the reason no one fucks with Earth. He also called a meeting of all his enemies to ask how they would defeat him. No one had any good ideas, even Doom.
Really, when you start listing all the shit he's done he really does sound more like a super villain than a hero...
So can someone explain to me the joke about Squirrel Girl? Seem like I skipped class that day.
She wins by virtue of being underestimated. Just a writer poking fun at the melodrama of comic books.
She kicked the arse of Doom, Wolverine and Thanod with abilities like controlling squirrels and the "strengh and speed of squirrels". She is not the strongest hero by default, she just wins every fight.
kingofthedead45
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What this thread taught me, I need to read some fantastic 4 stuff. Geezus.
When someone needs to take an incredibly embarrassing L, she'll be there,
DXLelouch153
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anyone wearing the Infinity Guantlet
wheres your god powers now huh i made them vanish from existence
wheres your god powers now huh i made them vanish from existence
foxuzamaki
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I do love the squirrel girl gimmick, tho this is the first time im hearing she beat wolverine, anybody got a panel they can post of this?
I love how they even brought in the watcher so that there could be no arguing as to whether or not this really happened.
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Hell, and that's with the current weakened IG, which is in turn weaker than the Tribunal. But that's still higher than necessary.
Can we have more back stories about that?
OrlanisWorks
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Reminds me of the Master Chief vs. Captain America thread. Bullshit writing can make anyone defeat anyone.
Liamario
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Now someone is making sense. We're not aware if any weaknesses in doctor manhattan, so we must assume there are none. So, we must go back and stop him from ever being created in the first place.
Is he like the Deathstroke of Marvel?
Fox context: Deathstroke is a badass mercenary and one of the strongest Fighters in the DC Universe on earth level. He once took half a dozens leaguers at once and almost won. Buuuuut, he is constantly losing anyway or at least not winning. He got a lot of badly written Xanathos Gambits, so he went not fully Dr. Light.
Then he will take over the world and lobotomize doom.
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WhiskeyDiver
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Oh boy...do I have bad news for you.
"Horseman of Death
Sentry was brought back to life by the Apocalypse Twins, using both the Life Seed and Death Seed, in order to serve, alongside Banshee, Grim Reaper and Daken, as one of their Horsemen of Death"
Sentry was brought back to life by the Apocalypse Twins, using both the Life Seed and Death Seed, in order to serve, alongside Banshee, Grim Reaper and Daken, as one of their Horsemen of Death"
Sentry is alive and kicking again.
And let's cut through all of it and have a definitively correct answer. Galactus does the same thing to Manhattan as he did to Hyperstorm. He turns him into an extended midnight snack.
Considering Jean Grey can do that without even having to go into Phoenix mode, and Universe Manipulating White Phoenix Jean Grey is still apparently not touching the whole load of abstract forces above her, that's not really that impressive.
But we're looking for someone who isn't a God who can still defeat a God, so my bet is on Reed Richards. I mean his Ultimate Nullifier scaring Galactus away is pretty much this entire thread in comic book format.
Miles Quaritch
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I vaguely remember reading that Bruce Banner is just as OP/dangerous as Reed Richards.
Any truth to that?
Any truth to that?
Screaming Meat
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[Massive Watchmen spoiler]
Adrian managed to completely checkmate him with smarts and prep time.
...for a God.
Well, Hulk alone is very dangerous and if I remember right, his power is essentiely limitless - just but not very reliable.
And Bruce himself is a genius who hashis own bannertechstuff. I think be just lags behind Reed because he is a raging monster half of the time.
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